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  • S21His Falkenberg: May 10, 2011
May 10, 2011, 10:39:56 PM +0100 - Falkenberg - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Historic (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 1 41.979
97.686mph
1 48:20.809
96.129mph
68 42.137
97.320mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 3 +0.531
96.466mph
2 +1L
94.670mph
67 42.471
96.554mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 6 +1.180
95.015mph
3 +2L
92.198mph
66 43.416
94.453mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 5 +1.156
95.068mph
4 +3L
91.468mph
65 43.813
93.597mph
Firestone  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 7 +1.698
93.888mph
5 +4L
90.324mph
64 43.932
93.343mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 2 +0.479
96.584mph
6 +38.051
89.157mph
64 43.630
93.989mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 12 +3.078
91.013mph
7 +38.767
89.135mph
64 44.005
93.188mph
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 8 +1.784
93.704mph
8 +27L
87.277mph
41 43.934
93.339mph
Disco
Firestone  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 4 +0.751
95.969mph
9 +28L
93.449mph
40 43.027
95.307mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 10 +2.383
92.438mph
10 +58L
82.319mph
10 44.140
92.903mph
Disco
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 9 +2.204
92.813mph
11 +65L
87.199mph
3 44.175
92.830mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 11 +2.941
91.290mph
12 +68L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 13 13 DNS ---
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Firestone  

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So the 66 beasties moved to the home of the Moderator, Sweden. Falkenberg is simple to learn but hard to master.

The qualification is dominated by Mr McRae (again) - albeit that he only had a half second advantage this time.

Lap 1 is very busy with cars slippy sliding around. Tim gets a good start and passes Fulvio off the line but ruins it by slightly overcooking it a few corners later - tut tut. Fulvio doesn't want to take too much advantage and has a spin with him. The two, who have qualified so well find themselves at the back. Paul is sitting in a T1 haybale wondering when his luck is going to change but stil ahead of a very lazy Nigel, who is having forty winks in the Pit Lane. Jason wastes his good start with a big slide but recovers. Phil is the big beneficiary of a measured approach and at the end of lap 1, Hristo leads from Ronnie (who has jumped Raoni who nonetheless has improved to third) with Goran in fourth. Martin has made a good start and Phil rounds out the top 6.

Fabio is soon picked off by Tim and Fulvio and so into lap 4. Martin is no longer with us, having visited the infamous Whitfield Haybales! Fulvio goes wide at T1 and loses traction off the grass. Tim is though in a flash and his charge is on!

The next few laps see some clean and not so clean racing! Any little mistakes result in the loss of position. Ronnie slides wide at T1 and Tim makes an amazing pass on Jason around the outside of the last turn. Phil has also gone wide at T1 and loses some places. Jason goes too hot into the esses and takes to the grass. Now there is a Ferrari traffic jam with Ronnie and Fulvio battling hard behind Phil who has cleaned it up and gained places as others fall off. A busy few laps see Ronnie and Fulvio bang wheels. Fulvio spins and loses a lot of time, Ronnie just takes a short cut! Ronnie is having an adventurous lap 8 and has a tangle with Jason for good measure. Finally on lap 9, Phil catches Ronnies affliction and makes two mistakes on the same lap - wide at T1 lets Jason through and then a spin late on in the lap lets the other two Ferraris, who are very busy squabbling with each other, sail by. Phil goes from 5th to eighth. It is that kind of track. Phew!

Tim reels in Goran and pressures him into a small mistake, Goran goes wide and hits the grass. Tim zips by on the inside. The crowd boo!

Fulvio and Ronnie have been battling for several laps and it is very close but Fulvio cannot get by. The battle is increasingly close until Nigel intervenes. Nigel doesn't know too much about it as he is on his lid at the time. Ronnie jinks left but Fulvio can't avoid him. That puts him in the clutches of Phil who sniffs an opportunity. Oops. Fulvio is having a bumpy ride but at least he is not out and now he is behind Phil and Fabio, who was having a quiet race but whose life is getting increasingly interesting. Phil makes a tiny error and Fabio is through but sadly he wastes it the next lap by doing show donuts for the crowd! Not even half way - not even close.

Things calm down until 20 minutes into the race when Ronnie's recovery continues as he catches and passes Jason who is having a steady race. Ronnie has been chasing Jason for seven laps and it is only a tiny error that lets the fast charging Ferrari through on the last corner. Up ahead at almost the exact same moment, Raoni finally makes an error and goes wide out of T1. With no traction off the green stuff Tim has his chance but nearly overcooks it into T2 and gets very sideways. Raoni cedes the pass rather than take them both out and Tim's renaissance is complete. P2. Amazingly in view of the first dozen laps, that is largely the way it stays.

Lap 41 and Raoni's engine lets go and he coasts to a halt on the pit straight. Fabio retires about the same time. The last competetive overtake of the race is claimed by Fulvio, who takes Phil's place on lap 47.

All that is left if for Hristo, who has been imperious, to add a Fastest Lap to his collection. 42.137! Nearly half a second quicker than anyone else can manage. Finally on lap 64, he passes Tim, who bows to the inevitable and moves aside on the last corner, to lap the field. One word. Dominant.

Paul "Badblood" Whitfield


Server replay time: 0h00m55s

At the start of the race Paul is behind Lupo but does a better start and when approaching T1 is alongside Lupo slightly ahead. To have a better line for T1 he moves to the left but have not made a clear pass on Lupo but closes the door for him. Lupo tries to brake but too late and the two make contact.


Server replay time: 0h09m58s

Phil makes an overtaking attempt on Fulvio down to T7 and gets alongside. Fulvio is not aware but turn in as usually, at the same time Phil is struggleing a bit to keep the line and they make contact.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
41.979
97.686mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)May 10, 2011, 10:39:56 PM +0100
S21His
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
42.137
97.320mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966)May 10, 2011, 10:39:56 PM +0100
S21His
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2011, 02:10:17 PM +0100 »

Not sure if this is fun or not - getting round the lap is easy - such a short track, it is easy to learn and I will be within four or five seconds of the leaders BUT I'm gonna get lapped - a lot and it is pretty tight in places by the time ten have gone past I'll be in the leaders clutches again. I haven't mastered the art of getting passed without totally compromising your own lap Sad

It is a good track to practice on though. Carrying corner speed is so important - and so tough. Not sure what I should aim for but being smooth and patient seems to be really important. I've improved my initial times by 5 secs but I am still running at 45's. SO much to learn but its coming.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2011, 03:00:37 PM +0100 »

The track is not so much about carrying speed into corners, but getting early on the throttle. It's very tricky to do that and still be gradual enough on throttle application to avoid understeering off the ideal line or loosing the rear. T1 is a bitch, lol.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2011, 03:15:10 PM +0100 »

When I said carrying corner speed I really meant getting the speed right so that you were smooth through the corner and not having to scrub off speed to avoid the understeer. It is hard and T1 is deffo - a bitch!
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2011, 04:30:24 PM +0100 »


Those who habitually scrub & understeer, may appear to be cleaner, but loose too much time in the wash.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2011, 06:48:04 PM +0100 »

Scrub until you are clean - is that what you are saying Martin? laugh
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2011, 08:05:15 PM +0100 »


Clean doesn't always grab the pay-dirt.  Whereas, with a balance you can go for gold, despite kicking up some dust.  So get digging!
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2011, 10:26:46 AM +0100 »

T7 server is set to 68 laps GP race. Online grid installed.
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Thanks Fulvio,
but I changed the GP race 68 laps to 226 so that I can use the Pro long because I have always done that and I suspect that if I was to change I would surely forget and put it up for Pro long anyway and then we would have a sprint race. I also changed the grid to be a bit longer between cars. 

I hope you do not mind.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2011, 01:20:32 PM +0100 »

Hope you don't run GP by accident then  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2011, 01:35:00 PM +0100 »

Yeh - it is a pity he changed it - I was quite looking forward to a 23 lap race and an early night....

I do find this track hard. If I take it really slowly I can put in a high 47 and if I push a little bit nice steady low 46's. So, ramp it up and 44 is there for the taking. Only in Prib it is Sad As soon as I push it hard I am understeering and losing masses of time through sector 2 or going too fast through sector 3 and not making the final turn.

C'mon you lot. Put up a replay or two...
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2011, 01:44:52 PM +0100 »

If you're understeering then it's your setup.
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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2011, 01:54:45 PM +0100 »

Every time I tweak it I end up oversteering so I think what is happening is that I am too tentative on the steering wheel on entry so I am not pointing in the right direction so it has the same effect but in fact I am literally under steering on entry, if you see what I mean.

I seem to miss lots of apexes and then I am having to wait to get the power on because having missed the apex I am taking too wide a line. The hardest thing for me in GPL is knowing when to turn the car and I end up driving it like a road car which then kills the lap times.
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2011, 02:04:33 PM +0100 »

I told you before, the only way to explore the limit and the handling is by taking bigger risks in practice and experiment with throttle and brake applications, as well as with setup changes. These cars are steered a lot more with the pedals than the steering. The steering is only used to set an initial direction and then just to make any corrections if necessary. Spend an hour pushing and figuring out where the limit is, try to listen carefully to the tires and observe the car behaviour, you WILL know when you've nailed it and once you do that, you'll know what to look for every time you drive.
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2011, 02:50:12 PM +0100 »

Hope you don't run GP by accident then  Grin

Shit, you revealed my coup, now everyone will think I do it deliberately  Grin

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2011, 06:39:33 PM +0100 »

I'm taking my son to his judo class tonight.  It doesn't finish until 9:00 so I'll be late joining but hopefully I'll get a couple of qually laps in.
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2011, 08:19:38 PM +0100 »

Paul - your "understeer" is possibly just you carrying too much speed on corner entry. Having watched you a couple of times recently you do seem to be a little wild on the braking and corner entry side of things.. MAybe try to be a little cautious on the way in and be earlier on the gas as a result?
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