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  • S21GrW Westwood Park: May 22, 2011
May 22, 2011, 10:47:28 PM +0100 - Westwood Park - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:04.507
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1 47:13.632
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43 1:04.756
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Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.894
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2 +16.011
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43 1:05.388
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Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.636
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3 +57.548
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43 1:05.880
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Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +1.065
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4 +1:01.997
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43 1:05.719
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Goodyear  
Baab
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +1.153
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5 +1L
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42 1:05.736
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Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 10 +6.078
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6 +35.566
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42 1:06.809
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Goodyear  
Will Tway
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.832
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7 +2L
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41 1:06.303
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 8 +1.952
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8 +21L
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22 1:06.210
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Firestone  
ivandjj
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.806
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9 +32L
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11 1:07.419
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +5.808
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10 +40L
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3 1:11.210
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Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +10.845
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11 +43L
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0 ---
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 12 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Nothing reported bar lap one which had two incidents both involving a dollop of warp.
Otherwise a nice and clean start.


Server replay time: 0h00m55s

Ivan appears to disappear completely from the server throwing Will into confusion and causing him to spin. The knock-on effect is an unavoidable tap from Evil followed by Arf rearing Fulvio. Ivan subsequently reappears on track but not in a dangerous position.
Has to go down as a racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m07s

Rick and Sam are close but the coming together does appear to be warp related so racing incident.

  • Racing incident

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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:04.507
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Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA300May 22, 2011, 10:47:28 PM +0100
S21GrW
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:04.756
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Honda RA300May 22, 2011, 10:47:28 PM +0100
S21GrW
May 23, 2011, 09:11:12 PM +0100 - Westwood Park - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 3 +0.172
97.028mph
1 49:30.038
93.830mph
43 1:06.856
96.938mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 1 1:06.622
97.278mph
2 +29.212
92.916mph
43 1:08.230
94.986mph
Goodyear  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +0.847
96.057mph
3 +45.190
92.423mph
43 1:08.008
95.296mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.369
95.320mph
4 +1L
90.424mph
42 1:08.911
94.047mph
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +2.019
94.417mph
5 +10.779
90.101mph
42 1:08.014
95.287mph
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +2.422
93.866mph
6 +11.280
90.086mph
42 1:07.988
95.324mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +3.314
92.669mph
7 +2L
87.551mph
41 1:10.511
91.913mph
Firestone  
s2173
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +3.548
92.360mph
8 +3L
87.040mph
40 1:10.581
91.822mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.125
95.663mph
9 +0.058
87.038mph
40 1:09.646
93.055mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 14 +11.172
83.308mph
10 +8L
75.802mph
35 1:14.258
87.275mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +1.157
95.618mph
11 +24L
86.249mph
19 1:08.413
94.732mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.060
97.191mph
12 +25L
91.405mph
18 1:07.816
95.566mph
Camshaft
Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +0.821
96.094mph
13 +38L
83.353mph
5 1:09.821
92.821mph
Disco
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +8.749
85.986mph
14 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 15 15 ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Everyone complied with the reset rules. No reported incidents with one event of significance in lap one again, like the Works, involving possible warp contact.


Server replay time: 0h00m56s

Ross goes a bit wide and Martin stays tight to the line to keep clear. Ross then regains his composure and continues and the two appear to make no actual contact so the incident is put down to warp. Jason is caught up in it as a knock-on effect.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m39s

Bernie loses it whilst possibly attempting a pass on Billy.
No one affected apart from Bernie but Ronnie probably doesn't realise how close he came to an early bath.
Hence racing incident.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2011, 12:06:18 AM +0100 »


I then set off again, catching a cooper down the back straight. I was just pulling right to setup an outbrake when the other car jinked right.

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I've watched the replay, Jason, and I don't see any jinking. I just see you attempting an overambitious pass and missing the braking point with inevitable consequences.
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« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2011, 12:34:42 AM +0100 »

That race was certainly a challenge keeping the car on the black stuff. I found that by driving at perhaps 95% made a huge difference as I found late braking around here was an absolute no no. Having said that I still managed to throw myself of the road twice  Roll Eyes. My race was pretty straight forward. Made a reasonable start and made an ambitious move up the inside of Rick which almost worked, but in hindsight I was too far back. Luckily the resulting bump was minor and Rick only lost a place to my cheeky pass  Smiley.

A few laps in and I decided to investigate the scenery, allowing a few cars past. But proceeded to gain those lost places back when those in front of me also decided that the grass was more interesting than the black stuff! Eventually I wound up 3rd, unable to catch Tim and H up ahead and spent the rest of the race maintaining a gap over Rick. Pleased to have finished on the last step of the podium. Congrats to H and Tim, simply blistering times up front.

Good to see you not disconnect for a change, Sam, the new connection proving stable? As for the track, I don't see why so many people complain - it has a nice flow and although it requires a different driving style, it rewards driving skill and car setup rather than relying on a better machinery.

I spent half of the practice session to remember the track from the single 66s 2L event we had at it years ago and to also try to figure out my setup. After a couple of unsuccessful outings that ended up in offs and crashes, I figured that such a low grip surface requires a softer suspension, so once that was dialed in and the gearbox ratios set properly, the car became a joy to drive as long as I didn't overdrive it. The tire temperatures were an issue after a few laps though, so I didn't expect much of an advantage, if any, in the race.

The start was OK, but Tim was very quick and my cautious approach to the initial 5-6 laps, to let the engine warm up and to see how the car handled on more fuel, allowed him to keep up within a striking distance. I found out that the braking for the hairpin was really difficult with all that fuel onboard and sometimes the car just wouldn't stop and the wheels wouldn't lock up even if I fully pressed the pedal. Those bumps at the beginning of the braking zone definitely mattered and requires some modulation of the brake and throttle pedals.

The lack of running on race fuel showed as I went off into the hairpin and dropped to 3rd, then repeated that and lost 2 seconds to Bob who was in 2nd, with Tim another 1-2 seconds in front of him. It looked like I might not be able to catch and pass them at this stage of the race, but as I gained confidence with each lap, the gap began to shrink. I was amazed to find out that Bob was in the BRM as he was going really fast, closing up on Tim. Fortunately for me I didn't have to deal with Bob, as he went off and saved me the trouble of trying to pass him.

Tim seemed a bit unstable in the T2-T4 part of the track and once he had a wobble exiting on the straight, I drove inside of him and we braked for the hairpin side by side. I was not sure I'll be able to slow down on time, but it just worked out and I drifted in front of him to retake the lead.

Surprisingly though, Tim sped up at this stage of the race and kept going within a second for many laps, forcing me to push to the limit. It was fun, but at the same time very stressful and exhausting, and at one point I realized I was not blinking as my eyes suddenly became all watery, lol. That's why it was a bit of a relief when he dropped back after a mistake or something, and that coincided with my Honda's handling improving as the fuel load went down, so I managed to increase the pace a little bit.

The final few laps were a joy to drive, despite the overheating tires, so I went for the fastest lap. The slightly higher ride height took away some of the pace of the car, but nonetheless it was fast enough for a few sub 05s.

My only issue remains the stutter that happens occasionally, which turned out to be caused by the low hardware acceleration setting I need to use to cure the awful sound I get otherwise (Onboard Realtek sound). It's not as bad as in 65s, but still a nuisance.

Grats to all finishers!
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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2011, 01:26:47 AM +0100 »

Hello,

I am going to tell my story......I was pretty much ready for the race with 16 minutes left in qualifying when my house suffered a massive power failure. I phoned the electric company and one of my lovely neighbours decided they would chain saw a branch into a transformer and blow it up and bring the power lines down with it. The entire hamlet was blacked out.
I was really looking forward to this race because even though Coquitlem now belongs to China and India it was my Canadian home race.

There are too many renegades here.

Malcolm ( hurricane hannah )

By the way I love chain saws, rifles, venison, and dirt bikes but I am civilized about it.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2011, 03:51:40 AM +0100 »

My race was more satisfying than most of my more recent efforts.  Meaning I had a respectable pace and actually finished.  I finished Monaco but my pace and consistency were pathetic.  Came to with in .2 of my PB after one stint in qualy so decided to run some laps with race fuel load.  The single stint got me 3rd on the grid.  Bob got by me at the start but I wasn't too disappointed.  I didn't need intense pressure right off the bat and figured a lot could happen in 43 laps.  Sure enough he must have had some bad moments somewhere because I some how got ahead of him and later he disappeared off my radar.  After Sam got by at T2 it was pretty much a lonely race.  I could not gain on him, and nobody behind me could mount a threat to me.  Bob's passing of me at T2 was a little clumsy but not worthy of a complaint.  I have to say I was totally shocked when I felt the bump.  I had no idea he was there.  Luckily GPL was fairly realistic in it's behavior and didn't cause a ridiculous explosion or the like.  I was able to carry on with no noticeable damage.

I don't understand the complaints about the track.  It is just a regular old track with a variety of turn types.  You got a banked T1 (gotta love that).  A challenging sweeper with a tightening radius.  A long straight with a crest before braking.  Climbing esses with one off-camber turn and a downhill to the finish line.  I don't see what makes it so hard.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... congrats to H for another impressive win.
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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2011, 06:53:36 AM +0100 »


I've watched the replay, Jason, and I don't see any jinking. I just see you attempting an overambitious pass and missing the braking point with inevitable consequences.

I left in a huff and didn't save the replay, but I think you were just covering the middle ground of the track which is entirely fair. I simply pulled right to try and pass and ran out of road. My fault entirely. I seem to be doing an awful lot of "running out of road" just recently. Pace-wise i've taken a hue leap forward since season 20 but my ability to lap cleanly has gone out of the window!
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2011, 08:36:33 AM +0100 »

I like the track and I think it has a good flow, just on less throttle than usual. If it was easy everybody would be doing it.

Qually was OK and I managed 5th but started to slip down a bit and I found I was overdriving it and going more slowly so halfway through Qually I put on race fuel and went out again, driving much more smoothly and relaxing a lot more which meant that in the dying seconds I put in a faster time than on low fuel and moved back to 5th.

That turned into 3rd, 2nd and then the lead quite quickly as those in front fell off.

The first third or so of the race went really well in the lead and everything felt fine so I was just knocking the laps off while holding a chasing Ronnie at bay, then it went wrong.

Braking for the hairpin I locked the rears and heated them, then as I exited I lit them up again and had to lift but they still looked hot and the rear wanted to swap ends with the front as I tried to get the power down. I got into a huge tank slapper and ended up on the roof, so a SHIFT-R and SnG later I was in 3rd just in front of Fabio who tried to exploit my weakness in braking for the hairpin, and he got almost alongside but backed out of it thankfully and after a few laps of nip and tuck I assume he had an off as he suddenly slipped right back and left me in a lonely 3rd.

I overshot the hairpin 4 times I think as I occasionally had to get off the brakes and give a little throttle to steady the car as it tried to get away from me  but I was matching the front two and closing a little, but then I got into some groups of backmarkers and lost concentration. Despite Ronnie suddenly going from about 15s in front to 5s in front I couldn't take advantage and he pulled away again as some of the backmarkers decided to race me which was worrying as my lapping skills in 67s are not great.

Glad to get on the podium where I didn't expect to be but luckily others were less fortunate than me.

Looking forward to the rest of the season and I can't believe it took me this long to race 67s.
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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2011, 08:57:58 AM +0100 »

As you may have already read and experienced, my connection is not good enough. In the beginning it wasn't that much of a problem, but as Clive came closer it became one distraction too many. After couple of spins i managed to get back in some sort of a rythm and caught Fulvio.

Just as i was getting alongside Fulvio at the end of the straight, he disappeared. When he appeared again i was alongside his rear wheel and he was turning in. I stood on the brakes and spun deliberately not to hit him. Rolled on the grass and retired undamaged.

It doesn't make sense trying to race like this, i'll be back when i get my connection in order. + It wouldn't be nice if i spawned wrong in the middle of the field in T1/L1.

In my former place gpl worked perfectly fine with worse connection and same system, so there must be i catch somewhere. Any suggestions on what to do with connection are welcome.
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2011, 09:23:49 AM +0100 »

Despite the DNF I really enjoyed this event, especially after missing some lately due to work.

Qually saw a great battle between Martin, Ronnie and myself for pole, I was chuffed to pip Martin's time only for the Super Swede to go one better minutes later!

The start went badly when Martin and I touched coming out of T2, leaving me dead last. The next few laps were crazy, with cars spinning off everywhere, leaving me back in the top six. I ended up trying to chase down 4th-placed Fabio, until around halfway when I blew the engine. Before I had a chance to take my SnG, I blew it again!! Game over.

Anyway well done to the podium boys and I'll see you all at the next one.
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2011, 09:43:42 AM +0100 »

Sorry you had to retire, I was asking myself what had happened there when I saw you sideways in my mirror.
My race was a strong effort to learn a track that I hadn't even had installed before the race. I was out in the weekend and forgot to check if I had the track installed after having set the servers.
Anyway after have been all over the place in qually and been involved in the lap 1 crash, I enjoyed the track and managed to run in a high .06 with a Goodwood setup. Very interesting the long downhill two times right hander and the final fast esse before the s/f straight.
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As you may have already read and experienced, my connection is not good enough. In the beginning it wasn't that much of a problem, but as Clive came closer it became one distraction too many. After couple of spins i managed to get back in some sort of a rythm and caught Fulvio.

Just as i was getting alongside Fulvio at the end of the straight, he disappeared. When he appeared again i was alongside his rear wheel and he was turning in. I stood on the brakes and spun deliberately not to hit him. Rolled on the grass and retired undamaged.

It doesn't make sense trying to race like this, i'll be back when i get my connection in order. + It wouldn't be nice if i spawned wrong in the middle of the field in T1/L1.

In my former place gpl worked perfectly fine with worse connection and same system, so there must be i catch somewhere. Any suggestions on what to do with connection are welcome.
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2011, 10:13:40 AM +0100 »

I don't understand the complaints about the track.  It is just a regular old track with a variety of turn types.

Hmm different parts of the learning curve. This is one tough track as a novice. Try driving it with no setup...

Still fun though but you have to concentrate hard for all but the long straight, tiring but surprising how quickly the lap counter came down (mind you it is quicker when you lose 1 for the lap you complete and 1 for the leader passing you!).
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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2011, 10:33:08 AM +0100 »

In my former place gpl worked perfectly fine with worse connection and same system, so there must be i catch somewhere. Any suggestions on what to do with connection are welcome.

You don't need a fast connection to play, just a quality one. In terms of speeds you can play GPL even on dial-up... Most importantly, don't go for wireless, and then it's a matter of how stable and clean connection your ISP can provide.
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2011, 11:43:09 AM +0100 »

I have noticed no improvement from using a wired connection.

As on Friday with the Porsches, people were chatting about me warping during qually, which I don't think is fair on others (and massively distracted me when I thought I was about to post a 106 until warp decided it was 115).

On Saturday I practiced online and there was no warp (as s2173 will confirm). On Sunday I tried it twice through the day and there was no warp. Then as soon as we get near to race time I did one last test and there was a bit of warp. However, I was relieved to see that after 3/4 laps the warp disappeared and things were normal again...

..until qually, where I got terrible warp - GPL seems to run slow, good laps are rewarded with 115ish times, and everyone complains about me (I understand you don't want your own race ruined). I spent as much time looking at the red 'S' bar descending to the bottom - every time it get to the bottom my wheel shakes as if it has been hit, and the S bar resets itself (i.e. starts to build up for another attack!).

In the hope the warp might die down I decided to make a slow start away from the grid only to find others did that too, and then we caught up much of the pack as there was an incident on T1... I slowed again, and thought I was on my own, but coming down the main straight 2 cars appeared near me, so I pulled off the track to retire, but a piston got there before I hit the escape button.

So, what causes warp? Hristo mentioned stability of ISP service - what does that mean, and is there anything I can do at my end? As I said at the start, I've tried a cable, and it didn't appear to make any difference. I qualified at Monaco on wifi, and the connection was perfect (my internet connection (not wifi) failed just after the start of the race, which is why I DNFd).

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p.s. Fulvio, I think I hit you as you avoided the mess on L1, T1. I knew you were there, but warp sometimes affects how quickly I stop. Having checked the replay I was doing 45mph when I hit you, and you were doing 37mph, so I thought the small speed differential didn't explain the way your car reacted by cartwheeling off the road. Sorry anyway..
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2011, 11:53:58 AM +0100 »

Sorry I had to pass on this one. I went to Reims (the real track, not the GPL one Wink ) in the afternoon, and when I got back I went to my friend for a barbecue and didn't get back in time for the race. I'll be back next time Smiley .

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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2011, 11:56:47 AM +0100 »

In my former place gpl worked perfectly fine with worse connection and same system, so there must be i catch somewhere. Any suggestions on what to do with connection are welcome.

You don't need a fast connection to play, just a quality one. In terms of speeds you can play GPL even on dial-up... Most importantly, don't go for wireless, and then it's a matter of how stable and clean connection your ISP can provide.

I have wireless with one meter distance between router and cputer now, but i can connect them with LAN wire. Is that worth a try?

Regarding the track, it has many misleading parts due to elevations and camber. It is much more difficult to drive it on the limit and/or in the battle than your average mickey mouse track. Probably not a good track for Privateer race. And part of the Works maybe Wink
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« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2011, 12:02:06 PM +0100 »

A wire will always give a more stable connection than wireless in the long term. The problem lies in the connection that your ISP can provide. It may be that your ISP is not providing a consistent connection.

@Arf arf arf. You may have the same problem Colin. When you were on the practice server with me, the warp was terrible.
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