UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65) - Aintree - May 31

[BadBlood]

It depends on who is passing you H - some fast boys will go off line and zoom past whilst you hold your racing line others will just plough through you and punt you off. Sometimes though as a backmarker I just don't have the skill to hold the corner properly. A really good example would be the Lesmo at Monza - that is a real struggle to get through fast for me and I am likely to be a bit haphazard about where my line goes. As you say - each situation has to be treated on its merits but the backmarkers do not move around to make life difficult for the lappers...

[Ronniepeterson]

Gotta stick my pennys worth in here. The real problem for me is when the backmarker knows they are being lapped but insists on racing/contesting the following corner after being passed, why???

[Cookie]

...and then there is a backmarker, fights each corner, takes the middle of the straight, passes others that would let you pass because of blue flags and finally crash into your car...

I had this with same driver several times, so my adrenalin raises if I have to overtake him

[francesco]

Cooki stop here,i already make my excuses and if you look the replay i was  totally on the left  to give you road. If you check the replay is your car that crash on mine.BTW is not the case to create controversy for a game.

[Hristo Itchov]

Gotta stick my pennys worth in here. The real problem for me is when the backmarker knows they are being lapped but insists on racing/contesting the following corner after being passed, why???

That is an issue as well, yes, and I experienced it in the last Brands GT race. I think it's partially down to backmarkers being involving in a battle with someone else and not realizing you're someone who's lapping them, or they just don't see you on time and drive as if you're not there. Rarely though it's the case of someone playing dirty and making it difficult.

Another issue is when a couple of cars are running close to each other and they have to pass a backmarker. The backmarker moves over to let one car by, then moves back onto the line and either blocks the other cars or hits them. I urge people to rely less on Pribluda and more on car sounds and visuals (mirrors, side view buttons, front view).

Cooki stop here,i already make my excuses and if you look the replay i was  totally on the left  to give you road. If you check the replay is your car that crash on mine.BTW is not the case to create controversy for a game.

You're not creating a controversy, it's just a topic that may need a little bit of discussion and I think it's a healthy one, for all of us. As for the "game" argument, I resent it because in the end we all spend time and energy on this, and nobody likes to waste either because of outcomes that can be prevented. Whether it's a game or not, or whether you take it seriously or not, that does not matter - the idea is to take it seriously in respect to others who choose to take it seriously.

[blito]

I get nervous when Im being lapped! I'm so desparate not to trip up the race leaders that I tend to pull off line and back right off.. usually by the time I'm being lapped I'm that far behind anyone else that my own race is no longer that important!

[Hristo Itchov]

I get nervous when Im being lapped! I'm so desparate not to trip up the race leaders that I tend to pull off line and back right off.. usually by the time I'm being lapped I'm that far behind anyone else that my own race is no longer that important!

IMO there's more risk at tripping up race leaders if you suddenly move over and slow down than if you keep up the pace and stay on the line - you would at least be predictable in the latter case. It's so disturbing to try and guess whether a backmarker is going to do what you described or stay on the line and keep up the pace.

Recently I started pulling to the side very early on when approaching a backmarker, just to make sure they see me in the mirror and not throw the anchor all of a sudden, but then if it happens to be a backmarker who does not ease off, it costs me time, so in the end it's quite a gamble. And then there are some people who move to the side, despite you being already there going for a pass. Then it gets hairy...

[BadBlood]

Oh dear - may be feeling guilty here but at least we stop you being bored...

[Cookie]

Cooki stop here,i already make my excuses and if you look the replay i was  totally on the left  to give you road. If you check the replay is your car that crash on mine.BTW is not the case to create controversy for a game.

You're not creating a controversy, it's just a topic that may need a little bit of discussion and I think it's a healthy one, for all of us. As for the "game" argument, I resent it because in the end we all spend time and energy on this, and nobody likes to waste either because of outcomes that can be prevented. Whether it's a game or not, or whether you take it seriously or not, that does not matter - the idea is to take it seriously in respect to others who choose to take it seriously.

Sorry Francesco if you take it this way.
We met in several races cause we both seem to love the GTs and I know you did a great job for us!
I am a novice with not so much experience in online-racing as you have.
All I can remember is that I lost in all our encounters!

Yes I do love close racing and don't give up a position easy, but if someone is clearly faster I try to give him the space he needs.
Just had this situation with Raoni in Porsches tonight, he passed me in Stirlings Bent!

My greatest fun I had in a race was with 2 ChapsF side by side through the chicanes of Monza 1000 without touching each other!
I love to win a fair fight and I don't suffer when I lose it!

Sorry Hristo for the trouble I made in the GTs but my car was much faster on straight

Cheers
Axel

[francesco]

I am a novice with not so much experience in online-racing as you have

You have more experience than me in effect you are more fast.Also for me is the first year in online racing despite i play GPL from 1998.
Sorry again for the accident but keeping to the left i was convinced to give you road.Yesterday ,at Brand,i have suffered a similar accident with the Porsche of Vix due to the lack of lateral view.Is the game but also in the real raceis is not different.If you have seen Hamilton at St Devote ,in the last F1 race,one accident was similar.The only difference is that ,in the game ,if the 2 car are paired ,is impossible to see the other.(Unless you use a different FOV but is not advisble approaching  a curve)
BTW what is important is to have fun with GPL.

[karlisss]

why someone have RED Ppoints as me, but someone BLACK Ppoint in overall standings?

[Hristo Itchov]

Francesco, it's not really necessary to see the other car when you're running side by side. With time, you can learn to distinguish how close the other car is by listening to the engine and tire sound, and just by your guts feeling, and also by taking into account the speed and direction the other car was travelling at in the last moment you saw it in your mirrors or by using your side view (left/right) buttons. You can definitely train and develop this awareness, it's not so much of a talent. You can try doing it with the AI, but keep in mind to add some more space online due to connection latency and thus car warp.

[Cookie]

why someone have RED Ppoints as me, but someone BLACK Ppoint in overall standings?

The endangered species of the bad boys!

Maybe the colors rise with the penalty points...

This made me reading the rules again carefully!

Gratz Karliss for your Glen victory!

Cheers
Axel

[francesco]

by using your side view (left/right) buttons

If i use this button the accident is sure!Is enough,for me ,to lose a bit of concentration and the crash is done.

[Hristo Itchov]

Yes, I don't mean that you should use the left/right view buttons while racing someone closely side by side, but that if you used the buttons previous to that (i.e. on a straight before a corner), you can subsequently predict where the other car is going to be.