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June 14, 2011, 09:56:41 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Cookie
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.667
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1 39:35.386
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25 1:34.163
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +1.770
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2 (+1) +31.079
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25 1:34.791
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Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +1.667
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3 +37.883
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25 1:35.012
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Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 +2.228
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4 (+7) +43.652
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25 1:34.520
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Dunlop  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 15 +3.060
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5 +50.639
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25 1:34.309
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 3 +1.355
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6 (+3) +53.413
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25 1:35.364
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Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.924
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7 +54.219
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25 1:34.926
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.660
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8 +56.773
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25 1:35.076
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 13 +2.723
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9 +1:19.471
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25 1:35.471
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Goodyear  
DuFossa
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.749
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10 +1:25.420
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25 1:34.217
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +1.945
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11 +1L
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24 1:34.582
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Goodyear  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 1 1:32.777
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12 +30.445
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24 1:33.894
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Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +1.620
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13 +2L
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23 1:34.891
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Dunlop  
s2173
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.505
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14 +7L
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18 1:35.587
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Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 14 +2.944
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15 +21L
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4 1:37.548
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Goodyear  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

The Novices always look forward to Silverstone, and Billy was so excited that he started before everybody else.

Unfortunately he was spotted and reprimanded.

Skymole also thought about going early when Billy moved ahead of him but his quick apology to the stewards saw him excused.

Not many reports from this race but don't let that fool you.

There are more than a few penalties.


Server replay time: 0h00m30s

Billy loses control in T1, hits the inside wall and bounces across track where he is hit by Skymole.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m20s

Fran Rear Ends DU Fossa into Becketts on Lap1.
He claims Warp is involved but I have no client replay to check.
The server shows contact but a quite violent reaction from Du Fossa's car so there may be some warp element involved.
However, given that this was Lap 1 of the race when warp tends to be at its highest, Fran was taking a risk by getting so close to Du Fossa entering Becketts.

I have taken the warp effect into account but Fran could have avoided the incident by driving more carefully.

REVISION
- Blatant Rear End Shunt: Penalty 2 Places + 1 for lap one
The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control -


Server replay time: 0h01m45s

Martin makes the catch of the race when he passes Fabio round the outside at Stowe.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h04m33s

Martin hits Norbert entering Becketts.
Martin claims that Norbert braked early enough to allow him a pass but he had no overlap and left his move very late.
Norbert was already heading for the apex and was in the middle of the track so any gap was fast closing.
Martin hit the inside kerb and lost control before hitting Norbert.


Server replay time: 0h04m42s

Norbert spins at Becketts and drives across the track in front of an approaching BadBlood who hits him.

Norbert had a clear view of approaching traffic but made no allowance for it.


Server replay time: 0h07m00s

Martin and Fabio contest Abbey.
Fabio is on the inside and the two are bot making a valid attempt to win the corner.
Martin suffers a warp contact and is thrown from the track.

Warp Incident

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h14m25s

Fran spins at Becketts and recovers across the racing line as Blito approaches.
Blito takes avoiding action and hits the fence.


Server replay time: 0h30m33s

Not an incident as such but Karliss asked me to look at it and give my opinion.
Karliss was following Skymole into Copse and had to brake hard to avoid a collision, making himself spin in the process.
Skymole continues apparently unaffected but discos along the next straight.
Is this disco caused by Karliss?

I do not think that the two incidents are related and I do not think it is Karliss' fault that Skymole had a Disco shortly after their near miss.
It is a slight possibility of course that Skymole's client saw some extra data traffic but his Disco would then have probably happened immediately rather than so long afterwards.
I do not think that Karliss could have done anything to prevent Skymole's Disco.
Sometimes accidents do happen.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2011, 10:55:38 PM +0100 »

And the race according to Blito...

**** F#!K Yeah!!! 15th to 5th *****

Call me Jensen!!

I am gonna be HOURS calming down from this one!

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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2011, 11:04:36 PM +0100 »

after great Pole (my PB) 1-32.7
i was afraid about my engine and lowered gears for race... Roll Eyes
wasnt good idea.
i did slow start and droped down to P4, all my target was to do no contact or PP race....
then long time was in P2 chasing Cookie.. so from some 10sec i get close to 7.5sec when
SKYPE JUMP OUT with blinking message, that someone have birth day!!!!!!!...1 sec later i had "roof" in T1
here my nightmare starts...
so after all i did 4 spins, one crash with tree, 2 shits+R,
also tried first time ever how to correct  join in race when ALL cars pass you buye...
whyle i raced nostalgic backmarkers race, i did all what i can do, to avoid another contact with slower car in front of me at T1... it brake so early that i hit all my brakes as hard and spun again and lost place for Fossa...
my skype is still blinking, it was during all race
(i believe from replay there will be a huge crash for moderators, so i will lost my last place and gain some ban hammer) but maybe not)
atleast FL is something good in all this frustrated Silverstone.

Gratz Cookie and podium for deserved win!

next time.
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will watch replay for Blito masterpiece
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2011, 11:13:23 PM +0100 »

Good race generally. Got a good start and got up to eighth and was holding it nicely when I saw a Fezza up on the banking at Beckets. I zoomed past but Norbert was having none of it... wasn't too pleased at the time. Left me backwards on the racing line so I went to donut quick but others were coming though. Well done to Rog and Jason for avoiding me. Had a nice few laps with Jason and he got a run on me down the farm straight so I took the inside and compromised myself a bit hoping the Honda power would play on the S/F but he passed me around the outside - good one. I braked a bit late for Cospse and then floored it too early, spinning. That put me behind Sky and Fabio and I spent ages chasing them. Sky made a mistake and ended up 10 yds behind. He then lost it at Copse when I think he thought I braked a bit early - but it was my usual place. Couldn't catch the Red Baron but with two laps to go - there he was backwards at Copse. It all happens there. Drove carefully after that and finished ninth.

Very pleased - had some racing and got a top ten with no shift-r's.

I was surprised to be down in 12th with a 1:35.50 though.

Big congrats to JB (B*stard Cheesy) and well done podium. Hard luck K.
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2011, 11:53:01 PM +0100 »

 Grin WOW  Grin

Gratz to all finishers! Especially to my great master Martin for 2nd thumbup2

Funny thing is I had a pretty good setup this afternoon, but just short before the race I tried a Steve Cloyd setup.
This was not faster but way easier to drive after some little modifications and had a really short first gear Wink
So I decided to test in Qualy both. For the race I took it!

Start was great and I was gone, controlling the distances in pribluda, til Karliss suddenly was no longer there Shocked and my friend Martin appeared 2nd  Grin
Rest was a little boring and dangerous not to loose concentration, but I managed not to make the slightest mistake Roll Eyes
Counting the laps down I finished without any incident...

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 08:35:46 AM +0100 »

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I saw a Fezza up on the banking at Beckets. I zoomed past but Norbert was having none of it... wasn't too pleased at the time.
Sorry about that Undecided.
Entirely my fault of course. Got hit by Maddog (because of immense warp at that time, it seems).
Found myself facing backwards and misjudged the situation again, when I tried to enter the scene.
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2011, 09:41:35 AM +0100 »

No problem. Just one of those things. I was getting a nosebleed running that high anyway...  laugh
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2011, 09:42:42 AM +0100 »

Did young Joseph jump the start there or something?


I ought to send you the replay of the first 100 yards - its hailarious.
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2011, 10:09:20 AM +0100 »

Well done Cookie - never saw you after the grid & to 2nd & 3rd also. What a lot of warping. I backed off the Maddog/Fabio dice a little as they were disappearing so much but then Johnny was catching & he was too & so I assume was I. Fabio & Maddog eh! that's like throwing a lighted match into a box of dynamite Tongue. Fabio spun & then Karliss's Skype friend gave us all a birthday present Wink & I was 3rd.

After a few laps I made what I think was my one & only mistake of the race & spun to rejoin 7th. If Jason was Jensen then Norm was Nico!. Gave him room to pass as he was obviously faster. Maybe I should defend more. Roguk did but spun. Jason had a trip up the banking & to avoid him I went on the grass & Rog went past. Motored on to finish 8th with the 3 in front of me all visible a little way ahead.

Really I'm kicking myself for the spin when under no obvious pressure other than to stay in the gap between Maddog & Johnny O. There's always the next one
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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2011, 10:21:32 AM +0100 »

The warping thing where cars just disappear in front of you is really disconcerting. A few times I was catching up but being really cautious because I couldn't always see them. Interestingly, I never had anyone disappear when they were really close so I wonder if it was truly warp or just the server deciding they were too far away to draw?
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« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2011, 11:09:16 AM +0100 »

Spot on Paul. I noticed that but not being a techie I don't know why. Maybe backing off at first was the wrong thing to do. I was forced to speed up again by Johnny anyway. Some of the disappearances were so long I genuinely thought they had disco'd (in my dreams eh! Wink).  Can't remember who but someone on post race chat said they backed off as well for the same reason.  Something we all have to put up with but its worth it.
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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2011, 11:14:13 AM +0100 »

Some of the disappearances were so long I genuinely thought they had disco'd (in my dreams eh! Wink).

You and me both. When Karliss and Du Fossa turned up behind me I dismissed it as a glitch. Incidentally I am celebrating the fact that this was the first race in which I avoided being lapped. Feels good but I wasn't sure until Mike posted the results.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2011, 11:57:14 AM +0100 »

Yes Paul warping was a great handicap in this race, for me especially in Qualifiying!
Couldn't do a clean lap on my first stint with all this warp around, so I decided to leave the server with ~11min  left.
But took me about 5min to rejoin because of rejecting me with "too high ping", allready thought I will miss this race!
Thank god I could rejoin with a ping of about 150 and do my best lap.

My race strategy was to come in save, so I never had to push hard, thats why I only really lapped the most unlucky Billy who afterwards followed me  perfect driving.
After the studium of the reports, I am proud to not have left the track a single time until the finish where i kissed the flagman sweatdrop
The most interresting report for me is allways the "race history graph".
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2011, 12:19:33 PM +0100 »

I had lots of wrapping around me too, sometimes just at the distance, but often the cars jumped so bad that i was not sure if they are infront or behind me... i tought it was my connection, but i had some nice close battles with some non-warping drivers. I got disconnected at the end anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2011, 12:30:00 PM +0100 »

But took me about 5min to rejoin because of rejecting me with "too high ping", allready thought I will miss this race!
Thank god I could rejoin with a ping of about 150 and do my best lap.

I suggest we don't use a ping limit for UKGPL races, unless you want to prevent people from joining even if it's not their fault or they happen to have a high ping for a few minutes. Can easily miss a race that way...

As for warping, before I joined the Pro race, I saw the Novices server had a ping of over 800, and the server restart didn't cure that. Probably some temporary issues on server side connection.
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2011, 03:31:04 PM +0100 »

  Had a moment where cars disappear, I believe it was between laps 5-10.

  At the moment I leave is to increase the distance at which insurance.I believe silverstone when running with a small engine, the best thing is to be regularity, you are only going forward if the pilot error.
 
 
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