UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche - Kyalami - Jul 1

[miner2049er]

I don't really like your views on patience on these matters.

It is a matter of opinions, You can't always pass at the first, second or even third corner that you catch a backmarker.

I mentioned that Jason should have probably let you both through before the Esses, I think I would have done, but that's why I mentioned the long straight approaching, he may have been waiting for that but he got rear ended before he got there.

Not to mention in the accident with Nicky he opened the door and I just went through it, without any loss of control whatsoever and he simply turned into me, but then I'm being impatient? Oh please...

Again, it's a matter of opinions, you didn't lose control and Nicky did turn in but you didn't have any overlap at all at turn, accepting that it was a lapping and not for position. You may well have passed cleanly if you had followed him through Sunset and done it at Clubhouse, so a little patience would have meant no contact.

It wasn't a criticism it was an observation, and I think a valid one.

It's also funny you say I would've been penalized

No, I said you may have. As the mod says, we do have rules for Lack of care approaching an incident, and you could clearly see a car blocking half of the track.

Again, a valid observation.

it's an exact repeat of what happened a few seasons ago in a 67 race at Road Atlanta, where JB held me for more than half a lap

I disagree, this was 2 corners, not really the same at all.

[blito]

Hristo - the difference in speed wasn't all that obvious to me... You and Tom were not near enough for a pass in the tight left hander before the chicane, you WERE close enough going into the chicane but I find there is only one line through the chicane which is why I stayed tight on the exit and lifted.I HAD intended to let you dift past on the main straight but the chicane ws the 4th blue flag so I thought I ought to move over there instead...
BTW, Hristo, a couple of months ago I seem to recall you complaining that backmarkers continually dived out of your way instead of just letting you pass them cleanly, after all you have the speed to pass easily so why should anyone overly compromise their own race unnecesarily? I remember that post well .....

[clouds]

I was in doubt amongst to struggle to maintain the first place (because pribluda didn't show me Hitchov at all so I was virtually in 1st place) and to be conservative trying to bring home at least the second place because at the beginning of the last 2 laps my fuel gauge (pribluda) was indicating I was going to finish my race with less than 1 liter of fuel. So I decided conservatively reducing my engine revs permitting Tristan to overtake me just at the last lap and so ending anyway with 3/4 of a liter in my tank    
That was not properly a good fighter behaviour but... like someone said...it is better to be a lion for 1 day or to be a hen for 100 days ? ...maybe it is better to be a dog for 50 days !  
YahooOOooOoooo...oops...GooOOoooOggle !


P.S.: my top speed was almost 10 km/h lesser than the one of Tristan down the main straight !  

[Tom van Ostade]

Thanks for the report Mike. I don't fully agree but respect your decision, your the mod after all not me .

Some background info: At the start, I actually hit the pit wall when I was following Hristo so I'm glad I didn't get DQ'ed by mistake! .

I saw in the replay with Jason that his car climbed the curb on exit and lost speed, so that's why I accidentally hit him. Unfortunately I didn't quite recover as my engine lost power and I lost about 3 seconds a lap from that point on. I knew during the race H would be DQ'ed and I would win, but decided to attack regardless. It cost me a win but I did manage to salvage 3rd (only just) so all is well .

Tommie.

[blito]

Tom, I noticed you had the power loss afterwards and didn't quite know what to do about you holding me up on the straight but being so much quicker around the rest of the track...

[NickyIckx]

   thanks  for the report Mike . As I said before ; I absolutely deserved the penalties I got , hope Iam doing better next time 

[Hristo Itchov]

Hristo - the difference in speed wasn't all that obvious to me... You and Tom were not near enough for a pass in the tight left hander before the chicane, you WERE close enough going into the chicane but I find there is only one line through the chicane which is why I stayed tight on the exit and lifted.I HAD intended to let you dift past on the main straight but the chicane ws the 4th blue flag so I thought I ought to move over there instead...
BTW, Hristo, a couple of months ago I seem to recall you complaining that backmarkers continually dived out of your way instead of just letting you pass them cleanly, after all you have the speed to pass easily so why should anyone overly compromise their own race unnecesarily? I remember that post well .....

Jason, 4 blue flags? Do you know why were weren't close enough to you? Because Axel noticeably eased off a little to give you some space and to avoid bad surprises. I doubt you would like that instead the leading car glues to your back and haunts you all over the place. If you were aware of us behind and you had 4 blue flags, why did you decide to suddenly ease off at the most inappropriate place, at the chicane, where there's only one line? It completely caught Axell off-guard and I was lucky to go through. To me it was a lot more than just 2 corners that we stood behind, but even so, if you had just maintained your pace (and that covers the 2nd part of your post) there would've been no incident. Instead you kept going at speed for 4 blue flags straight (in your own words), then you suddenly decelerated in a bad place and it led to an accident. This is the lack of predictability I'm talking about all the time... Of course, it's completely different if you simply lost it at the chicane and you were not trying to let us through, but it seemed that way. Again, my intention here is to say how it looks from the lapping driver point of view, not start a personal attack or something, and it's with hope that you can learn something from it.

@Mike - in the case with Nicky, you're saying I should have had a 6th sense that after opening the door Nicky would decide to close it back up? It really appeared he knew I was about to lap him and that it was for that reason he opened the door and/or braked earlier. Besides, he should have received at least 1 blue flag until we reached the corner. Anyway, not that I was affected and not that it matters now that I'm DQ, but I'm raising these issues so hopefully they can be prevented from happening as often in the future.

[blito]

No, Hristo, you have it wrong. My intention was to stay tight on the exit of the chicane and dawdle along to the next corner, expecting Tom and yourself to drift to the outside on the normal line and sweep past. I didnt quite get the exit right and caused Tom a bit of grief in doing so. Again, I point out that the first place I really thought about where to be lapped was that tight left hander before the chicane but Tom wasn't quite in the right place for a pass, and TBH neither was I.. We then have the  chicane which isnt a good place to be passed and so I did what I thought was the best compromise for all of us but didnt quite get it right.