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June 19, 2011, 10:44:03 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.722
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1 50:08.946
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34 1:27.321
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.492
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2 +2.849
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34 1:26.758
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Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +2.690
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3 +54.900
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34 1:28.686
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Firestone  
ivandjj
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.134
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4 +1L
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33 1:29.428
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Goodyear  
Beefpie
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.311
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5 +2L
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32 1:28.208
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Firestone  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.690
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6 +7L
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27 1:29.647
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Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.727
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7 +20L
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14 1:28.579
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +2.159
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8 (+1) +10.205
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14 1:29.310
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Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +2.615
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9 +26L
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8 1:29.703
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Firestone  
john roberts
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +34L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Unlike the Privateers there was no lap one pile-up although there was one coming together (see below).
Just a reminder re submitting replays. There's no need to submit server replay clips as we can see that anyway, it's your own ones we want to look at.


Server replay time: 0h01m57s

Evil attempts a pass on Arf heading into the corner. He pulls out and can be seen disappearing in Arf's mirrors so Arf must assume he is alongside. That said Evil has little overlap entering the corner so Arf effectively has the corner rights.

This is the applicable rule;
"Simple Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 1 Place
The overtaking car had NOT achieved a 50% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in. There was no loss of control by either driver. Penalty for overtaking driver."

However Arf did take a very defensive position, knowing Clive was to the right, and possibly should have left more room. In addition warp played a minor factor in that the server shows no hit although it is likely it would have happened anyway.
Due to both the very defensive line taken, which contibuted to the incident, and the element of warp I am going to mitigate the penalty by waiving the additional penalty for lap one.

June 20, 2011, 03:36:39 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 3 +0.275
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1 51:50.334
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34 1:29.441
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Goodyear  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.075
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2 +35.768
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34 1:29.345
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.415
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3 +54.250
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34 1:30.741
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Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +2.937
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4 +1:32.179
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34 1:31.963
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Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +2.226
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5 +1L
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33 1:30.796
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Firestone  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 12 +4.003
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6 +33.179
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33 1:32.086
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Firestone  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +2.506
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7 +38.938
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33 1:31.661
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Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 14 +4.551
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8 +2L
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32 1:31.614
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Goodyear  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 17 +9.677
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10 +4L
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30 1:39.054
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Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +4.286
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11 +12L
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22 1:32.986
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Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 1:28.703
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12 +14L
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20 1:29.508
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Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.298
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13 +1:08.273
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20 1:31.000
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Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.576
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14 +19L
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15 1:31.021
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Firestone  
s2173
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 15 +5.681
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15 +21L
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13 1:33.604
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Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 8 +2.390
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16 +25L
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9 1:32.717
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Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +3.973
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17 +34L
---
0 ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 18 DNS ---
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Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 16 +7.271
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Excluded +3L
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31 1:34.664
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Well the lap one review was quite something. One incident that had a knock-on effect for 11 out of 17 drivers. Lucky Jason got through completely unscathed and with his fast pace went on to win. And who was the naughty lad who started all this mayhem? Ronnie, but in his defence it wasn't actually a spin or hit. No he had the misfortune to have an engine blow-out.

Surprisingly there will actually be NO penalties dished out for lap one, everything that happened after Ronnie stopped for a smoke being a series of unfortunate knock-on effects. I thought about how best to lay out what happened and a domino description seems best;

A bit after the start Ronnie blows and pulls over to the right by the pit exits to wait and reset. Victim no 1 is Ross who can't avoid the suddenly slowing Ronnie. Jason meanwhile sneaks through. Victim no 2 is Vos, slowing as he see's the unfolding mayhem ahead he is clipped by Geoff (no 3) who then picks up Fabio (no 4). The inertia created by the second hit sends Geoff into a new spin picking up Billy (no 5). Meanwhile Ronnie is parked up waiting to reset admiring the view in his rear mirrors. He is a fraction onto the track but, under normal circumstances, not enough to cause a problem. Of course this is not normal circumstances. With the ongoing Geoff 360 spin demonstration drivers are moving off the normal line to avoid joining in thereby setting a collision course towards Ronnie. Nigel clips him (no 6) picking up Sky (7) and Mike T (8) in the process.
I can't really place blame here as Ronnie had done the right thing and pulled away from the line to reset, unfortunately what was left of the pack pulled across too.

Anyway I have left out two victims. The best is left till last; meet the Marvelous Contortionist Extraordinaire aka Bernie. Squeezed between two slowing vehicles (see mayhem above) he decides the best option is to drive backwards whilst miraculously passing unscathed through following cars. If that was not enough of a show for his audience he then dissappears completely only to reappear across the track right in front of Paul W. Paul must have much appreciated that trick. Anyway there lieth no's 9 and 10 and that concludes a most interesting first lap.

BTW Paul W is excluded for being very naughty by stealing sweets from the fat controllers token jar.


Server replay time: 0h23m27s

This is really a case of two into one won't fit. Geoff went for a valid overtake and Diki equally validly defended. There may also be a small element of warp in that Geoff doesn't appear to feel the hit. It should be borne in mind that, without 100% overlap, the defending driver is under no obligation to concede the corner although both should of course leave each other enough room.
The rules have this;

"Contested Overtake: Racing Incident
The overtaking car had achieved a 50% or greater overlap but not 100% or greater at the point of turn-in and both drivers were in full control."

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h30m32s

Mike (miner) makes a valid pass then a bit further on loses control into the corner and spins. This in turn causes Diki to spin although, again, warp may have played a factor as Mike doesn't appear to take a hit. This could count as part of an overtake manouvre however Mike had cleared Diki with some space so it is being treated separately as a simple loss of control.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2011, 09:59:49 PM +0100 »

another early bath!

Went off a T1 and had to reset, waiting for people to go past at race pace and got ran into; should have just floored the thing and got in everyones way cos being nice doesn't seem to work.

Teach me for going off in the first place I guess.  Sad
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2011, 10:03:41 PM +0100 »

After running GPL all affy , thought the grafix problem had blown away but sadly dyring qually it started to play up again , thinking it was a cooling problem a quick dash to the garage to obtain a ruddy great fan rigged to blow cold air onto said carrd , back into Igor for the dying minutes of qually but sadly the old radeon GTO gave up the ghost on lap1 giving me a black screen   Roll Eyes

Hope I didnt spoil anyones race , couldnt see if I was stationary on track or not so pulled the plug to leave  Undecided

looks like the season is over for me now  :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2011, 10:41:17 PM +0100 »

Well, I did 9 laps tonight, more than I've done in all other races put together. Got past Evil off the grid, but he was straight back on my tail, and I thought he'd overtake me going into to Stowe, but he seemed to back off. Coming into Club he had the opportunity but wasn't sure if he'd try again or wait fro the tyres to warm up. I deliberately tried to take the corner wide just in case, but got bumped and span. The remaining 8 laps were lonely although I could see a group of three cars getting closer and closer before my engine went. Again.

Both tonight and in PSC on Friday, I had done a lot of laps in practice (in full damage mode) without any mechanical gremlins at all. I don't rev the engine as high in the actual races, and yet the engine expires. I don't know if its my setup or my driving style. As such, can I check if I'm approaching a race the right way;

I was in the Cooper tonight. For my RACE setup I used Dark's '67v1 Silverstone 1m27s982' setup as a starting point (from Alt Track Database). Is this a good start point, or is this a hotlapping setup unsuitable for a race? In any case I lengthened top gear in the belief this would protect the engine. I also lengthened 2nd one increment because it was too twitchy for me coming out of Copse and Becketts. After running for 7/8 laps in this setup I saw the the rear temps were in very high 200s, and fronts were in 230s, so I reduced all pressures 1 psi, which got the rears down to 220s and fronts to 190s. (My qually setup was same without pressure changes)

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2011, 10:47:36 PM +0100 »

Well what a productive day I've had! My OH was at work for most of it and the children were elsewhere so I got out my guitar and spent 4 hours learning to play "the chain" by Fleetwood Mac....  It may be more familiar to you guys as the BBC F1 theme........
Also this morning I actually did some pre-race practice, just 30 minutes to sort out a setup for the Eagle... I had intended to do another "qualify last and storm through the field" type of race but even on full tanks I was near the front of the grid so I did what I hardly ever do - I drained the tanks and went for it! Result - 3rd on the grid!
My start was smooth and thanks to the Ross/Ronnie T1 fun I slipped straight into a lead which I held all race. Only problem (apart from grass-tracking a couple of times) was that I had short fueld the car and had to cruise home for the last 10 laps... literally coasting down the straights going 3 to 4 secs slower than i could but with such a huge lead it mattered not.. I rossed the line with just over half a gallon left and half a minute in hand over Ross..
All in all, I was lucky. Everyone else had problems and I just cruised home to my first UKGPL win....

Bernie - hope you can find a replacement card soon m8.
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2011, 10:53:49 PM +0100 »

BIG CONGRATS M8. Well done.

No more Mr Midfield. Wink

Bernie, might have a spare card. Let me know what you need by PM and I'll see if I have something.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2011, 11:03:38 PM +0100 »

Hmmm, race prep included a Father's Day barbecue with about half a barbecued pig, some lamb and a bottle of Rioja.

Was fully prepared to quit if the alcohol affected me but I was surprisingly stable and have since ordered some more Rioja for the other races.

Qually was average and I planned a slow and steady start after blowing my engine on the grid last time out.

Things changed when a sneaky Cooper from Wigan shot up the inside and I intended to follow him nutil he was headed for danger and I emerged from T1 in second, so all I had to do was follow Blito to the flag.

that went OK for a few laps until I ran wide at Chapel and dropped down then got into a nice battle with Vos behind me who was quicker on the first half of the circuit but fell away on the back half. Then the same thing happened to me that happened at Westwood, my tyres seemed to heat at the rear and I couldn't get the power down and got into a tank slapper exiting Copse. it will look like somebody just driving up a bank but I was fighting the car like crazy.

I emerged from my SnG in 9th and set about climbing back up the field where I got stuck at 5th after some synchronised spinning with DikiWaza. I had the pace to catch Michael in 5th but when I started to push the tyres would heat and the car became unpredictable causing a few small issues so i drive it home to 5th which at 9 o'clock seemed a long way away.

BTW Tim, I gave the corner to you at Club but you were too much of a gentleman to take it. i don't think I would have been so understanding LOL. good battle while it lasted though.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2011, 11:07:40 PM +0100 »

Thanks chaps its a Radion X800GTO AGP now more or less redundant  Undecided

Spotted this on fleebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250838986792&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2011, 11:16:16 PM +0100 »

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Things changed when a sneaky Cooper from Wigan shot up the inside and I intended to follow him nutil he was headed for danger and I emerged from T1 in second, so all I had to do was follow Blito to the flag.


So frustrated with qually so abandoned my usual delicate tippy toe start and was determined to head the pack of jackels into T1 ,

Now left wondering what might have been the outcome  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2011, 11:18:58 PM +0100 »

Bernie, you almost certainly have a PCI slot free so you don't have to get AGP. That would do though if you can trust the seller.

As for the race. OOPS. I forgot about the token cost and took the Eagle as it is the only car I had a setup for. Sadly I only had thirteen tokens. So DQ for me. Sorry to waste everybody's time. Forgot that you have to take the start to get the tokens and I abandoned Valentino because I was a positive danger Sad

What a waste of two hours Sad
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2011, 11:28:32 PM +0100 »

Thanks chaps its a Radion X800GTO AGP now more or less redundant  Undecided

Spotted this on fleebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250838986792&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Any good for replacement ?

The 9600XT will be fine Bernie - I used to have one myself and it was perfect for GPL. The asking price does seem quite steep for what is now an old card - a quick search on EBay found several other examples that are  much cheaper.
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2011, 11:31:48 PM +0100 »

Bernie, you almost certainly have a PCI slot free so you don't have to get AGP. That would do though if you can trust the seller.

As for the race. OOPS. I forgot about the token cost and took the Eagle as it is the only car I had a setup for. Sadly I only had thirteen tokens. So DQ for me. Sorry to waste everybody's time. Forgot that you have to take the start to get the tokens and I abandoned Valentino because I was a positive danger Sad

What a waste of two hours Sad

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2011, 11:38:16 PM +0100 »

Well done Jason and Tom.
Good race for me, my first silverware in a while so pleased. Qually was tough as there was lots of traffic and was down on my PB. It put me in 4th (I think), after Joe's faux pas, but I figured I could possibly go quicker and hence have a remote shout for golden balls.

Off we go ho ho ho and I see fire ahead and cars astruddel then wham bham thankyou maam and I'm a spinner. Stopping to direct the oncoming traffic I then jumped back in and headed off last thinking this will be a lonely one. Lo and behold there seemed to be a second lap one contretemps, which I avoided, and bumped me back up a few spots (don't envy the moderator - oh it's me Wink)
Anyway highlight one is I'm 4th or 5th and right in Mike's pipes. Two Lotii head to head but for lap after lap I couldn't get a run on him nor could he completely shake me. However a little known fact about my teammate is he's also a closet myrmecologist and, fortunately for me, he spotted an Acanthomyops claviger on the side of the track and was compelled to take a closer look.
After that I had a series of solo laps, in second, and started to feel a bit comfy although Prib insisted on playing mindtricks by telling me I was passing Blito only to dash my hopes a few seconds later.
The penultimate stage was noticing that Ross was consistently showing at 680 yards behind, and closing, with a bakers dozen or more laps to go. A man to be reckoned with I started thinking strategies at which point I spun and let him straight past Grin
Off my stride after that the final stage became engine protection and a cruise into third.

A big thanks to those I lapped who were gents. Also well pleased with a team two three so well done Ross.

BTW Tim, I gave the corner to you at Club but you were too much of a gentleman to take it. i don't think I would have been so understanding LOL. good battle while it lasted though.
I thought you had spotted a lesser known Mycocepurus Smithii Wink

BTW Arf I do think sometimes those engine blow-outs can sometimes crop up randomly. That said I used to blow them all the time, especially 67's, when I started but found things improved by completely lifting off for a change up and being careful when I changed down not to let it overrev. Apprarently GPL keeps a 'score' over a race or so I was told.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2011, 11:47:26 PM +0100 »

Dont think I have any PCI slots,  my puter is now an OAP too  Grin

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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2011, 12:45:26 AM +0100 »

Dont think I have any PCI slots,  my puter is now an OAP too  Grin



This is a great card and can still rival many of the current PCI-E cards in pure performance, although it doesn't support the latest shaders and stuff, but you don't need that for GPL anyway:

http://cgi.ebay.com/nVIDIA-GeForce-7950-GT-512-MB-AGP-3D-Video-Card-7950GT-/280687487552?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item415a472a40#ht_2530wt_950
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2011, 01:11:03 AM +0100 »


BIG CONGRATS M8. Well done.

No more Mr Midfield. Wink


My special Congrats too Jason you deserve it!

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