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June 19, 2011, 10:44:03 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.722
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1 50:08.946
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34 1:27.321
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:26.492
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2 +2.849
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34 1:26.758
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Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +2.690
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3 +54.900
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34 1:28.686
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Firestone  
ivandjj
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.134
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4 +1L
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33 1:29.428
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Goodyear  
Beefpie
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.311
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5 +2L
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32 1:28.208
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Firestone  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.690
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6 +7L
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27 1:29.647
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Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.727
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7 +20L
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14 1:28.579
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 5 +2.159
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8 (+1) +10.205
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14 1:29.310
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Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 6 +2.615
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9 +26L
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8 1:29.703
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Firestone  
john roberts
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +34L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Unlike the Privateers there was no lap one pile-up although there was one coming together (see below).
Just a reminder re submitting replays. There's no need to submit server replay clips as we can see that anyway, it's your own ones we want to look at.


Server replay time: 0h01m57s

Evil attempts a pass on Arf heading into the corner. He pulls out and can be seen disappearing in Arf's mirrors so Arf must assume he is alongside. That said Evil has little overlap entering the corner so Arf effectively has the corner rights.

This is the applicable rule;
"Simple Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 1 Place
The overtaking car had NOT achieved a 50% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in. There was no loss of control by either driver. Penalty for overtaking driver."

However Arf did take a very defensive position, knowing Clive was to the right, and possibly should have left more room. In addition warp played a minor factor in that the server shows no hit although it is likely it would have happened anyway.
Due to both the very defensive line taken, which contibuted to the incident, and the element of warp I am going to mitigate the penalty by waiving the additional penalty for lap one.

June 20, 2011, 03:36:39 PM +0100 - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 3 +0.275
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1 51:50.334
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34 1:29.441
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Goodyear  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.075
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2 +35.768
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34 1:29.345
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Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +0.415
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3 +54.250
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34 1:30.741
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Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +2.937
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4 +1:32.179
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34 1:31.963
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Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 7 +2.226
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5 +1L
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33 1:30.796
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Firestone  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 12 +4.003
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6 +33.179
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33 1:32.086
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Firestone  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 9 +2.506
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7 +38.938
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33 1:31.661
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Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 14 +4.551
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8 +2L
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32 1:31.614
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Goodyear  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 17 +9.677
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10 +4L
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30 1:39.054
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Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +4.286
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11 +12L
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22 1:32.986
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Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 1:28.703
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12 +14L
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20 1:29.508
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Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.298
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13 +1:08.273
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20 1:31.000
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Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.576
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14 +19L
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15 1:31.021
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Firestone  
s2173
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 15 +5.681
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15 +21L
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13 1:33.604
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Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 8 +2.390
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16 +25L
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9 1:32.717
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Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +3.973
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17 +34L
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0 ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 18 DNS ---
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Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 16 +7.271
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Excluded +3L
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31 1:34.664
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Well the lap one review was quite something. One incident that had a knock-on effect for 11 out of 17 drivers. Lucky Jason got through completely unscathed and with his fast pace went on to win. And who was the naughty lad who started all this mayhem? Ronnie, but in his defence it wasn't actually a spin or hit. No he had the misfortune to have an engine blow-out.

Surprisingly there will actually be NO penalties dished out for lap one, everything that happened after Ronnie stopped for a smoke being a series of unfortunate knock-on effects. I thought about how best to lay out what happened and a domino description seems best;

A bit after the start Ronnie blows and pulls over to the right by the pit exits to wait and reset. Victim no 1 is Ross who can't avoid the suddenly slowing Ronnie. Jason meanwhile sneaks through. Victim no 2 is Vos, slowing as he see's the unfolding mayhem ahead he is clipped by Geoff (no 3) who then picks up Fabio (no 4). The inertia created by the second hit sends Geoff into a new spin picking up Billy (no 5). Meanwhile Ronnie is parked up waiting to reset admiring the view in his rear mirrors. He is a fraction onto the track but, under normal circumstances, not enough to cause a problem. Of course this is not normal circumstances. With the ongoing Geoff 360 spin demonstration drivers are moving off the normal line to avoid joining in thereby setting a collision course towards Ronnie. Nigel clips him (no 6) picking up Sky (7) and Mike T (8) in the process.
I can't really place blame here as Ronnie had done the right thing and pulled away from the line to reset, unfortunately what was left of the pack pulled across too.

Anyway I have left out two victims. The best is left till last; meet the Marvelous Contortionist Extraordinaire aka Bernie. Squeezed between two slowing vehicles (see mayhem above) he decides the best option is to drive backwards whilst miraculously passing unscathed through following cars. If that was not enough of a show for his audience he then dissappears completely only to reappear across the track right in front of Paul W. Paul must have much appreciated that trick. Anyway there lieth no's 9 and 10 and that concludes a most interesting first lap.

BTW Paul W is excluded for being very naughty by stealing sweets from the fat controllers token jar.


Server replay time: 0h23m27s

This is really a case of two into one won't fit. Geoff went for a valid overtake and Diki equally validly defended. There may also be a small element of warp in that Geoff doesn't appear to feel the hit. It should be borne in mind that, without 100% overlap, the defending driver is under no obligation to concede the corner although both should of course leave each other enough room.
The rules have this;

"Contested Overtake: Racing Incident
The overtaking car had achieved a 50% or greater overlap but not 100% or greater at the point of turn-in and both drivers were in full control."

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h30m32s

Mike (miner) makes a valid pass then a bit further on loses control into the corner and spins. This in turn causes Diki to spin although, again, warp may have played a factor as Mike doesn't appear to take a hit. This could count as part of an overtake manouvre however Mike had cleared Diki with some space so it is being treated separately as a simple loss of control.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2011, 01:40:48 AM +0100 »

Grats Blito!  Grin
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2011, 01:54:13 AM +0100 »

Please accept my apologies chaps for being the ping-pong catalyst at Copse on L1. I forgot about the BT24's notoriously bad cold-tyre grip level, and turning into Copse the back came round smacking me into the wall. I was an unwilling passenger after that. Apologies to Fabio as you were my first target after the wall launched me across the track. After bouncing off you and going out of bounds.....it then headed back towards the track, where Bill launched me skyward for another round of bump and grind. Amazingly, it was undamaged.

Qually was tough to get a clean lap without traffic or a mistake. The car actually felt better on full tanks than in Q mode. Was surprised to find myself 5th after discounting the time set by our Works intruder. I'd done mid 29's in  practice, but couldn't seem to put a clean lap together at all. Congratulations Ronnie on landing pole.
Got a steady start as practice starts had shown the thing to be happy to turn itself inside out when starting from the inside.....so I elected to take it quietly. Check your start Arf, if you gave it a big bag of revs off the line, no matter how well you treat it after that...the cold engine damage usually makes it fail. Then the ah.....mayhem ensued. After finally getting going again we were making pretty good time. I seemed to be catching the cars in front at a fairly good rate. Got past Mike when he had an excursion on lap 2 to snag 6th place then on lap 3 chased Paul Bird into Becketts, sneaking past on the apex, but I think you may have got a bit of a warp kick there Paul....cos you vanished from the mirrors....sorry about that. Al let me by on lap 4, ta mate which promoted me to 3rd then spent the next 3 laps odd chasing Steve Bird down, whom also let me by into 2nd. Thanks mate. Lap 10 approaching Becketts, braked at the same point I had every previous lap.....and it snapped right and deposited me on the infield facing the wrong way, as usual. Got going again in 7th and tried to settle down into a rythm as I was quite pissed off with it after that little stunt. Felt like giving it "a damn, good thrashing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78b67l_yxUc
Caught Diki and Al at Stowe and laid a neat pass on Diki into the corner.......however Al was hogging the apex.... Shocked, and being unable to get on the gas, or, punch his Fezza up the quoit if I did, I elected to stay off the pedal and drifted thru and off the other side. It's not good form to rearend your teammates. Drifted back to 9th with that wee escapade......so set off after the field once more.
Took 8th from a Mike James indiscretion then 6th on lap 13 after Diki had a spin at Copse and Al very gentlemanly let me by. Laid chase to Mike Turner who was next up the road catching he and Hannah at about the same time. Hannah moved over out of Becketts to let us past and I was line astern behind Mike. Mike then got the tent and sleeping bag out and camped on the apex at Chapel, and though desperately trying to avoid him I clipped his rear wheel and spun out into the boondocks........getting stuck on the grassy fence miles from Hangar straight and leaving him to continue unaffected..... Undecided Took a reset here and a s-n-g next past the pits but my race was pretty much finished soon after. Clipped the kerb at Chapel which sent me around again. The Brab has this weird brake thing going on when you try to take off slow......a few dips at the clutch to get it to move....then it dropped a cylinder. Hit escape in disgust after driving it into the wall at Stowe. not turning those wheels, don't need 'em. Congrats to the podium, happy to see two of those chaps were ClarkHill boys. Pity we couldn't have applied the blowtorch of pressure to Jason......another time maybe..... Grin
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2011, 07:31:40 AM +0100 »

Well done Jason, congratulations on the first win.
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2011, 08:13:53 AM +0100 »

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This is a great card and can still rival many of the current PCI-E cards in pure performance, although it doesn't support the latest shaders and stuff, but you don't need that for GPL anyway:

http://cgi.ebay.com/nVIDIA-GeForce-7950-GT-512-MB-AGP-3D-Video-Card-7950GT-/280687487552?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item415a472a40#ht_2530wt_950

Looks the nuts Hristo, but dont think the price can be justified given the age and built in redundancy of my PC  Smiley


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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2011, 08:17:18 AM +0100 »

Interesting race there Geoff , a whole season of incedents in one race , by the sound of it you sure do things the hard way down under  Grin

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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2011, 09:37:00 AM +0100 »

First off, well done Jason, a well derversed first victory.

I wasn't sure if I was going to race this one. I hadn't done any pratice and haven't driven any 67 cars for quite a while. I got back home just about in time, so I joined the race. I didn't really have a setup fro teh Ferrari, so just went with what I had. First few laps were horrible I didn't know the car, and the track is a bit different in a 67 car. I took it really easy, trying to learn brake points, turn in etc. I've got to say that at this point I was very close to calling it a day, as I didn't want to be a danger to anyone. Luckily it started to come together and I just sent the rest of pratice going around, and around learning everything.

At the start of the race I took it easy. I backed of early at the first corner, I noticed that there was noone giving me any pressure, so I had space to be careful. I was glad I did because there were cars all over the place, I managed to zig, zag my way past a few. I did get a few tags, but nothing that sent me spinning. I got done to putting in a few laps, and settleing into the race. At some point I looked a Prib to find myself in 3rd.... even started to get a nose bleed I was so high up.

The cars behind me where quite a bit faster, and started to real me in fairly quickly. I noticed that there were a few of my team mates in the group too. I knew that I could never keep them behind, I tried to cover my lines but they all got past me quite quickly and pulled away. Sorry about blocking you Geoff, I was still in shock about being so high up, and I didn't notice that it was you who was behind me.

At some point Mike and DikiWazza both got past me, I managed to more or less keep with them. Mike got past Wazza put was taking pressure, I was pushing to keep up and maybe try a pass if there was a mistake.

I emerged from my SnG in 9th and set about climbing back up the field where I got stuck at 5th after some synchronised spinning with DikiWaza. I had the pace to catch Michael in 5th but when I started to push the tyres would heat and the car became unpredictable causing a few small issues so i drive it home to 5th which at 9 o'clock seemed a long way away.

I was right behind at this point, I also put my wheels onto the grass and did a 360 spin. So we did a 3 way synchronised spin Smiley I didn't know what happened to you guys, but you where both recovering on the track. I got past DikiWazza, but Mike was a little in front.

After the little spin, I managed to settle into some fast laps, Mike was pulling away, but I was pulling away from Wazza. I managed to get quite a good lead, and backed off as there was no chance of catching Mike. Of course as soon as I backed off I started going faster, nice smooth laps, and I set my fastest lap around this time, but I had a good series of laps all about teh same time.

With about 5 laps to go, I noctice my fuel was in teh red, and falling fast. I had no choice to to start to coast, and really save fuel. My lap times were 10 seconds off what I was doing. On the last lap I noticed that DikiWazza was closing the gap quite quickly so I picked up my pace again. Going down the last straight my engine started to stutter, and I wasn't sure if I was going to make it home. I finished with only a few seconds to spare, and managed to keep my place. My fuel ran out completely on the slowing down lap.

Overall I am very happy with my race. I nearly quit because I hadn't learnt the circuit with 67 cars. I expected to be at the back, so was quite surprised that I was mid grid. Even better that I finsihed so high (for me). Also a good result for the team.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2011, 09:37:30 AM +0100 »

After running GPL all affy , thought the grafix problem had blown away but sadly dyring qually it started to play up again , thinking it was a cooling problem a quick dash to the garage to obtain a ruddy great fan rigged to blow cold air onto said carrd , back into Igor for the dying minutes of qually but sadly the old radeon GTO gave up the ghost on lap1 giving me a black screen   Roll Eyes

Hope I didnt spoil anyones race , couldnt see if I was stationary on track or not so pulled the plug to leave  Undecided

looks like the season is over for me now  :'( :'( :'(


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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2011, 09:57:28 AM +0100 »

A good race for me in some ways, and not in others.

Qualifying went well with a PB and another fun battle with Ronnie who pulled out a few tenths when he needed it to get pole. I got off the line better, and was trying to take a wide line through Copse when Ronnie slowed a little and I tagged his left rear. Completely my fault for following too closely. I reset to witness the ensuing carnage, seems my team-mate Geoff also made a contribution to it!

After my stop and go I had Ronnie right behind me so let him past, least I could do after ruining his race. After that it was great fun as we both picked our way through the field, until Ronnie made a mistake and I overtook him. He retired altogether soon after which allowed me to concentrate on catching second placed Vos. I was looking forward to a good fight with my teamie when he graciously went agricultural, leaving me with a yawning chasm to the flying Blito in first place.

I knew I couldn't catch him but tried to push hard anyway, if only to keep my concentration up. Pleased to cross the line in second place, with fastest lap. Overall I feel I've made a lot of progress at this track with my setup and driving style, and I'm finally getting comfortable with these powerful cars.

Congratulations to Jason on a first win since coming out of GPL retirement. Is your second career going to be more Lauda than Schumacher?
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2011, 11:54:39 AM +0100 »

Good fun while it lasted. I was content qualifying 4th, and spent the first few laps watching the top 3 battle it out until I spun yet again. Rejoined behind Clive who kindly spun in front of me, and gained 4th back. A couple of spins later, I was behind Fulvio, enjoying chasing him but sadly real life intervened and I was needed elsewhere, so was forced to retire. Let's see how it goes at Kyalami  Smiley.
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2011, 11:58:24 AM +0100 »

I got off the line better, and was trying to take a wide line through Copse when Ronnie slowed a little and I tagged his left rear. Completely my fault for following too closely. I reset to witness the ensuing carnage, seems my team-mate Geoff also made a contribution to it!

Ross and I would like to announce the creation of a new sub-team. CHCCT or to be known in future, Clark Hill Carnage Creation Team   Grin How unlucky can we get.....I even warped my teamie Vosblod into a spin......from 8-10 feet away!! Surely my new connection isn't that bad? Anyone driving behind me have any trouble? Maybe it was just as it was so crowded........I hope Embarrassed
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2011, 12:02:13 PM +0100 »

Interesting race there Geoff , a whole season of incedents in one race , by the sound of it you sure do things the hard way down under  Grin

Trust me Bernie, I could have done without all the excitement... Undecided
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2011, 04:47:58 PM +0100 »

when Ronnie slowed a little and I tagged his left rear. Completely my fault for following too closely.

After my stop and go I had Ronnie right behind me so let him past, least I could do after ruining his race. After that it was great fun as we both picked our way through the field, until Ronnie made a mistake and I overtook him. He retired altogether soon after

Completely not your fault Ross and in no way did you ruin my race, I was more than capable of doing that myself.

There are many forms of bad luck. Like Martin not being able to race due to moving/wheel+pedal issues and driving an Eagle with a dodgy engine. She blew as we approached the first turn, that's why I slowed Ross, and then much later when we were scraping for third I think. Not a hint of any engine issues in the practice to the run up to this race but these things happen.

Congrats to the podium. As far as I know Jason won and Ross was second (great recovery by the way). Not sure who was third as the results have not been posted but well done whoever you are.

Hoping for better luck at Kyalami as I imagine Martin is as well (do you remember table top mountain last season Martin, I could do without an episode like that again).
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2011, 05:27:56 PM +0100 »

Results uploaded, any Incident Reports by close of play Friday please. A provisional review of the Privateers shows that all complied with the reset / stop and go rules.
I have removed Beefpie from the Privateers qualifying as it was a genuine error, a good reminder to be careful to join the correct server. Also Paul Badblood is automatically excluded due to being a naughty boy with his tokens, the rules also reset him to zero.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2011, 05:40:19 PM +0100 »

Mods:
I think the wrong replay has been uploaded - went to http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/Results/Leagues/UKGPL/Season-2011/2-Replays/

and downloaded the file uploaded at 2334 on 19th June (UKGPL__Gpg.2011.06.19.23.34.rpy.zip)..but it appears to be a GT race. Have I done something wrong?


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Would also appreciate any comments on post 17.... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9507.17
(Vosblod - thanks for you comment - I think/hope I do this though...)

Cheers

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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2011, 06:03:07 PM +0100 »

Mods:
I think the wrong replay has been uploaded - went to http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/Results/Leagues/UKGPL/Season-2011/2-Replays/
and downloaded the file uploaded at 2334 on 19th June (UKGPL__Gpg.2011.06.19.23.34.rpy.zip)..but it appears to be a GT race. Have I done something wrong?
Erm it should be the right race. Are you saying when you look at it it comes up as a GT race? Have you made sure GEM is set to use the 67 carset - if not you will see the replay in whichever mod GPL is currently defaulting to.
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