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July 03, 2011, 10:43:32 PM +0100 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:19.355
---		 1 49:53.477
---		 37 1:19.711
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Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +1.566
---		 2 +34.168
---		 37 1:20.566
---
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.261
---		 3 +38.479
---		 37 1:20.586
---
Goodyear  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing		 BRM P115 F1 1967 6 +1.505
---		 4 +43.354
---		 37 1:21.064
---
Goodyear  
Baab
 		 BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +2.384
---		 5 +1:19.473
---		 37 1:21.831
---
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.670
---		 6 +1L
---		 36 1:21.599
---
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +1.102
---		 7 +10L
---		 27 1:21.046
---
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 11 +2.511
---		 8 +24.330
---		 27 1:21.276
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Firestone  
Rick Nauman
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.228
---		 9 +29L
---		 8 1:20.587
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Firestone  
john roberts
 		 BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +37L
---		 0 ---
---
Goodyear  
Colin Craig
 		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Beefpie
 		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +1.300
---		 12 ---
---
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +2.221
---		 13 ---
---
Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 14 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

A win for Hristo but Fulvio still leads the championship.
Two lap one incidents (below).

Server replay time: 0h01m12s

Clear warp contact between Tim FMG and Rick. The server shows no contact.
Best fit rule is;
"Genuine Warp Incident: No penalty - Racing Incident
Prior to the warp incident, the following car was driving no closer than a car's length from the leading car but then closed up under braking, possibly due to the leading car braking early, but no actual contact would have been made."

Genuine Warp Contact.

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 0h01m40s

Hristo makes a pass on Arf into the corner. He has over 100% overlap at turn in and Arf should have seen the move in his mirrors and know he was there. The pass was therefore legitimate.
Arf turns in and hits H, at point of impact he has only 10% overlap. H is unaffected and there is a slight element of warp although a collision was likely to have happened anyway.
The rules have this;
"Simple Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 1 Place
The overtaking car HAD achieved a 100% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in. There was no loss of control by either driver. Penalty for overtaken driver."

However, I am going to mitigate this due to the warp element and possible confusion re Arf not knowing exactly where Hristo was as the pass happened very quickly. Also Hristo was unaffected.
The two places will be waived ie that for lap one and the penalty itself. Accordingly the penalty is reduced to a warning.

July 04, 2011, 04:07:12 PM +0100 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +1.386
111.727mph		 1 50:59.714
110.731mph		 37 1:21.326
112.595mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 		 Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:20.572
113.649mph		 2 +1.573
110.674mph		 37 1:21.617
112.194mph
Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +2.251
110.560mph		 3 +1L
106.293mph		 36 1:23.663
109.450mph
Goodyear  
s2173
 		 Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 8 +2.157
110.686mph		 4 (+2) +23.605
105.490mph		 36 1:23.128
110.154mph
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +2.110
110.749mph		 5 +2L
104.615mph		 35 1:22.960
110.377mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 5 +1.994
110.904mph		 6 +2.866
104.518mph		 35 1:23.129
110.153mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 10 +2.266
110.540mph		 7 +3L
107.694mph		 34 1:22.962
110.375mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +4.366
107.807mph		 8 +3:26.195
100.524mph		 34 1:24.677
108.139mph
Goodyear  
hannah
 		 Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +5.766
106.059mph		 9 +3:59.338
99.460mph		 34 1:25.860
106.649mph
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +1.679
111.329mph		 10 +31L
103.650mph		 6 1:22.669
110.766mph		 Disco
Goodyear  
HendyNichols
 		 BRM P115 F1 1967 6 +2.083
110.785mph		 11 (+3) +32L
95.760mph		 5 1:25.694
106.856mph		 Disco
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club		 Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +2.930
109.661mph		 Excluded +1L
105.987mph		 36 1:24.362
108.543mph
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +1.773
111.202mph		 DNS ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 		 Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 14 ---
---
Firestone  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing		 Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 ---
---
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A close run win for Ross. All those who reset duly complied with the Stop and Go rules although some had a spot of bother entering the pits.
One lap one incident and one transgression of the pit wall rules. Apart from that Mike J decided he would prefer to start his run with a quicky reccy of the pit area.

Server replay time: 0h00m55s

Mike T drives his car through the pit wall with no ill effects.
The rules are 100% clear on this;
"anybody seen miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will be disqualified"

Server replay time: 0h01m42s

Hendy closes up too fast on Billy and clips him. Billy is unscathed but H's spin collects Paul. This is very similar to the Novices incident at Albi. Caution needs to be taken in traffic if you are later on the brakes.
The rules have this;
"Blatant Rear End Shunt: Penalty 2 Places
The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control."
As this was lap one no allowance can be made for any early braking issues.

Server replay time: 0h07m02s

Skymole goes wide at Crowthorne and rejoins in front of Bernie, who moves right and tries to pass into Barbecue. Bernie has achieved approx 100% overlap, and has the inside line, but in spite of this Skymole turns in and hits Bernie.
The rules have this;
"Simple Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 1 Place
The overtaking car HAD achieved a 100% or greater overlap at the point of turn-in. There was no loss of control by either driver. Penalty for overtaken driver."

Server replay time: 0h10m04s

Skymole attempts to pass a recovering Mike J together with Fabio to his right. He moves right into Fabio before he has cleared.
The rules have this;
"Blatant Side by Side contact: Penalty 2 Places
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake but cuts back in too early. The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever and was in full control when the incident took place. There was no loss of control. Penalty for overtaking driver."

However it is appreciated the recovering, and slower, Mike clouded the situation somewhat so I am going to mitigate and reduce it to a 1 place penalty in view of the possible confusion.

Server replay time: 0h26m04s

Paul makes a small mistake at Clubhouse and rejoins on the left hand side of the track whilst Hannah stays right on the racing line. Hannah draws alongside due to his better exit speed from Clubhouse at which point the two cars make contact. The incident looks slighly different on all replays and hence warp is the deciding factor as contact may not have happened otherwise.
The rules have this;
"Genuine Warp Incident: No penalty - Racing Incident
Prior to the warp incident, the following car was driving no closer than a car's length from the leading car but then closed up under braking, possibly due to the leading car braking early, but no actual contact would have been made."
Whilst not the exact scenario it is the best fit.

Genuine Warp Incident

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 0h31m04s

Skymole closes on Hannah at Crowthorne as he prepares to lap him. Hannah is slow out of the corner and moves right off the racing line as they approach Barbecue. Skymole stays left on the racing line but before any overlap is achieved warp contact is made and both drivers spin. Contact may not have happened otherwise.
Again a 'best fit' ruling;
"Genuine Warp Incident: No penalty - Racing Incident
Prior to the warp incident, the following car was driving no closer than a car's length from the leading car but then closed up under braking, possibly due to the leading car braking early, but no actual contact would have been made."

Genuine Warp Incident

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2011, 12:53:51 AM +0100 »
The game, as it came, back in good old '98, came with more fragile cars, than we're used too now.  The mod teams came to our rescue.  I seem to remember the Lotus being about the worst.  Fortunately, reality stopped there, as I don't remember too many reports of death as a result, but quite a lot of frustration!  Sad
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« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2011, 01:11:19 AM +0100 »
Yes, the 67 Lotus (in game) certainly isn't very reliable, but it's MUCH more reliable than the real thing ever was, lol.
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« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2011, 09:57:43 AM +0100 »
In actual fact the  H16 BRM was king of the unreliability stakes, bettered only by its 1950's V16 1.5 liter counterpart. Yet in GPL its almost rock solid , pity its related to the sloth family  Smiley  (in my hands anyway )

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« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2011, 11:34:43 AM +0100 »
I don't think the Sim, does justice to the '67 BRM.  It's speed was not bad at all, so the reliability factor must've been factored into it's performance, rather than deformance.
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« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2011, 11:40:52 AM +0100 »
Quote from: maddog on July 07, 2011, 11:34:43 AM +0100
I don't think the Sim, does justice to the '67 BRM.  It's speed was not bad at all, so the reliability factor must've been factored into it's performance, rather than deformance.

Lots of differences to reality in GPL, i.e. at Monza the Brabhams were very quick and so was the Honda, but gl taking either of them up against Eagle, Lotus or Ferrari in GPL.
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« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2011, 11:59:33 AM +0100 »
Monza was a big slipstreaming contest in those days so any shortcomings in the powercurve could be overcome .

Dont forget th 67 race  Jimmy made a pit stop for a punctured tyre to be changed ( took ages in those days)  rejoined a full lap behind the leaders , unlapped himself , went on to lead the race only to splutter to a halt out of gas a few laps before the flag .

One of his finest drives  Wink

Jimmy also scored the very unreliable BRM H16's only grand prix win , testamount to his superb mechanical sympathy  Cool 
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« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2011, 12:29:42 PM +0100 »
Yes, for sure slipstream played a big role. Wish we would have a patch for 67 slipstream as well, to bring it on the level of 65 mod (which you apparently never experienced, Bernie?  Grin ).
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« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2011, 05:49:05 PM +0100 »
Quote from: BadBlood on July 04, 2011, 10:51:58 PM +0100
Colin definitely is Mr Arf x 3.

I prefer '^' to 'x' - Arf^3  The 'Mr' is entirely at your discretion Smiley   And yes, I did log on with the wrong user profile at the start - took my ages to work out what had happened to my setups..sorry Vos.

I've been quiet for a few days because I didn't have internet at my new place, but it kicked in today, so I'm looking forward to seeing how good the connection is (using Plusnet, Virgin can't do fibre optic in my area).

Having said that, I did both Works and PSC last weekend using wifi on a laptop!!!!! The difference to previous attempts was simple - PowerMonger. I can now confirm that disabling SpeedStep in GEM preferences doesn't appear to help you on iGor. The connection seemed to be perfect - long may that continue.

Roll on Lakeside

(Mr )Arf(^3)  Cheesy
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« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2011, 09:36:50 AM +0100 »
So would that be Arf cubed which in any London street is an eighth!
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« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2011, 01:07:20 PM +0100 »
one an arf shirley  Wink
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« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2011, 07:02:42 PM +0100 »
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« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2011, 08:38:19 AM +0100 »
Quote from: BadBlood on July 08, 2011, 09:36:50 AM +0100
So would that be Arf cubed which in any London street is an eighth!

Well, it would help keep me calm for racing..
....we don't do random drug testing in UKGPL, do we???

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« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2011, 09:26:29 AM +0100 »
. . . . . . . You're barking up the wrong street, guys. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2011, 10:28:08 AM +0100 »
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. . . . . . . You're barking up the wrong street, guys. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2011, 06:47:38 PM +0100 »
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