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July 05, 2011, 11:10:11 PM +0100 - Sachsenring (1927-72) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Historic (66)
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 3 1 49:26.717
118.499mph
18 2:42.189
120.419mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.5) F1 1966 2 2 +12.339
118.008mph
18 2:43.307
119.595mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (BRM V8) F1 1966 4 3 +1:01.284
116.101mph
18 2:45.951
117.690mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 6 4 +1:39.510
114.653mph
18 2:48.335
116.023mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 9 5 +2:31.210
112.752mph
18 2:51.425
113.931mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 8 6 +6L
111.357mph
12 2:52.211
113.411mph
Disco
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 14 7 +0.680
111.321mph
12 2:49.962
114.912mph
Disco
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 11 8 +8L
108.875mph
10 2:53.181
112.776mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 246 F1 1966 15 9 +4:33.469
94.473mph
10 3:11.539
101.967mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1966) F1 1966 10 10 +13L
101.344mph
5 3:04.437
105.894mph
accident
Firestone  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 5 11 +18L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
s2173
 
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 12 12
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
HendyNichols
 
BRM P261 (1966) F1 1966 7 13
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 33 (BRM) F1 1966 13 14
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax 2.7) F1 1966 1 15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

On to Germany. The Sachsenring which is now only used by the bikes, but in heavily modified form. The meeting starts badly when the server crashes after a fairly hectic qualifying where the usual suspects were to the fore. We then had to join in order to build a grid as we had no time to repeat qualifying. This sort of worked but one or two sneaked in early to get a better view of the flag man, but to single out Bernie would be cruel, so I won’t.
Tim found himself in pole despite joining second and he and H streaked away, closely followed by Raoni and Clive. The others were a little slower starting and Hendy, in particular, found it hard to get the wheels spinning. Bernie led the ‘also rans’ into the town and livened things up by spinning. This left Skymole with nowhere to go and that is where he ended up going – nowhere. Wheel off, end of race. JJonny O was cautious coming to the accident which allowed Badblood to get a run through the carnage and make up a few places. Unfortunately as he passed JJO the Brazilans car exploded and spun ‘Molasses’* Badblood’s car. The track seemed particularly sensitive to the slow moving Ferrari, as we shall see. Hendy has threaded his way through and joined the midfield but his lap is to be short as he fails to handle the compression to turns after the nasty left handed Jugend bend. He will probably be disappointed to have lost it after handling the most difficult part of the course but the pine trees are unforgiving and his spin is terminal.
He is probably not as disappointed as Raoni who has spun in exactly the same place a few seconds earlier giving Goran an almighty fright. Tim, H and Clive are gone. Clive is slightly slower than the speedy front pair. The pace that H and Tims are setting is hot, which is all the more impressive as they are battling in close company. H has taken the lead through slipstream but Tim immediately comes back but is unable to defend down the long back straight and H leads as Lap 1 finishes. The lap is a relatively long one of 2:45 (for some) plus. This means that the field strings out fairly quickly.
Up front Hristo, Tim with Clive a little bit back and Goran, in touch, but definitely slower. A midfield led by Martin Hunt with Dave Rainier, Phil Thornton and Fulvio Policardi and in the battle of the milk floats, Bernie (having reasserted the natural order) leading a floundering Badblood.
The only close battle for the first few laps is the one at the front. And what a battle it is. Lap 2 and the order is maintained and Tim has no sniff of a chance but as Lap 3 winds down he takes a wide line coming to the finish and tries to slingshot round Mr Itchov. Nothing doing but on Lap 4 after more close running, H makes a small mistake at the last turn and this time the wide line works and Tim is through.
Lap 5 and the leaders catch Badblood in the forest. Both slip by easily. Clive has been losing a second or two each lap and it is vital because he catches the moving chicane at the wrong place and a nasty spin ensues despite there being no contact. The Ferrari sensitive contact box has struck again. Clive just maintains third from a fast closing Goran.
The two of them catch BB in the town and this time he leaves LOTS of room.
Lap 6 and H and Tim are still going hammer and tongs. The midfield is steady but Bernie has left us. Nine remaining.
Lap 7 and Tim still has the advantage but the pressure tells and he clips a kerb in the outskirts of the town, letting H through. They resume their nose to tail battle.
Lap 9 – this is vital because if you get to ten, you score points. At the start of this one H leads FMG but both have the same time. Clive is thirty seconds behind and Goran a further ten back. Martin dips under 24 minutes and he is closely followed by Dave Rainier and Fulvio. Phil is thirty seconds shy of that lot with BB just nine seconds (and a lap) down on Phil.
At the town boundary, Martin brakes too hard for the speed cameras and spins letting Dave through. This puts Fulvio in his exhaust pipes and he chases hard. Up ahead H gets sideways at the chicane (nice to know that everyone finds it tricky). Has Tim’s pressure finally told. Has H cracked. Nope. Next lap and H outbrakes Tim at the very same chicane. Tim slipstreams the Bulgarian and H touches the grass which lets the Full Metal flyer through. He is very hot into Jugend and gets out of shape and H keeps it nice and tidy to get alongside. Tim has the racing line but H has the inside and discretion is the better part of valour as H takes the lead again. This is almost a carbon copy of the clash between Fulvio and Martin on the previous where Mr Hunt has made a mess of the difficult left hander and Fulvio has had to do no more than keep it pointing in the right direction.
These are the two best battles on the track. Tim and H have a fantastic scrap all the way to the line but Mr Itchov has the best of it and starts to build a lead.
Fulvio and Martin have a synchronised spinning lesson at the chicane with Martin spinning on the way in and Fulvio on the way out. Unfortunately Mr Policardi has the extra half turn with pike and it costs him his place. Dave has built a fourteen second lead by just being neat and tidy and Phil is comfortable behind. Badblood has managed to secure some points (although not before several spins and nearly taking Goran out for a dance at Jugend). Lap 12 and Martin and Fulvios syncrho slippy stuff is repeated at the entrance to the town but they both continue as before.
Phil meantime has successfully negotiated Jugend for the eleventh time but inexplicably hits the grass and gets in a tangle with some pesky 2-D spectators. Badblood has not noticed this and having completed ten laps decides he will show what he can do now – he has been lapping on average at 3:24 and his PB is 3:02. The cautious approach has paid dividends but now it is time to really show the world... he buries it in the haybales at the chicane thus REALLY showing the world what he is capable of. Had he but known...
Up ahead Martin and Fulvio have another squabble at the town boundary and this time it is terminal. 13th lap and we are down to five. H and Tim are still in close quarters but not quite as close as it was and Clive, Goran and Dave have settled into 3rd, 4th and 5th respectively.
Lap 16 and Tim finally makes a mistake at the chicane (did it catch everyone out) and the battle is over. He continues but some way down the road of the nippy leader. He has nothing to fear from Clive who just can’t quite match the Muttram pace and so they come home in the same order.
Amazing battle between Hristo and Tim (again) with Clive a bit scruffy but a worthy podium.
Driver of the day? I was tempted to pick myself but having nearly taken out Clive, Goran and definitely biffing Jonny, it can’t be. Especially as the lap times made it look like I was on a Sinclair C5.
So the real driver of the day is Dave Rainier. Unspectacular but super steady and a great fifth place.
* as in, as slow as Molasses!

Paul "Badblood" Whitfield

No incidents reported and no L1 penalties BUT a general caution approaching incidents would be nice.

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« on: July 02, 2011, 10:46:07 AM +0100 »

WELCOME TO THE UKGPL SEASON 21 HISTORIC (66) TROPHY 

For the sixth round we go to Germany. The Sachsenring circut is rather long and all the way you just have to be aware.

There will be full moderation of lap one, and then reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

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Time =                 21.00 UK time
Track =                Sachsenring  1967   Grober Preis der DDR
Variant =              66F1 2L engines
Damage Model =   PRO
Qualifying time =  35 minutes. Do not start driving until 30 min left.
Race length =       Pro Long (18 laps)

The track can be downloaded from: http://gpltd.bcsims.com/include/downloadtrack.php?&track=Sachsr67&track_link=/tracks/sachsr67.zip


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T1F Eagle Climax
Lotus 33 Climax

Group II
Brabham BT11 2.5lt
Lotus 33 BRM


GroupIII
Ferrari 246
Brabham BT11 BRM
BRM P261
Brabham BT11 2.7lt


Drivers Restricted to cars from Group I
Hristo Itchov


Drivers Restricted to cars form Group II or Group I
Tim Muttram

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 12:39:41 AM +0100 »

another one for me to miss - far to complex to be actuallyenjoyed as a racing track!!!
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 02:58:41 PM +0100 »

Actually it's not too hard to learn although there are two really nasty corners. Easier if you aren't drunk Jase Wink
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 07:28:30 PM +0100 »

Don't miss it Jason, its a great track, its not too hard to learn and provides excellent racing.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2011, 07:54:40 PM +0100 »

Anyone knows where to find driveable 66 2litre setups? Il probably drive the eagle t1f, but theres no hope for me if I try to make my own...

And this track is damn torture!!!  cursing
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2011, 07:55:16 PM +0100 »

downloading the track for a quick look, seeing as I missed my GPL "fix" last night.........


Sky - I'll have a crack at the track in the 66 BRM V8 - my setup should be good for you Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 08:23:14 PM +0100 »

Anyone knows where to find driveable 66 2litre setups? Il probably drive the eagle t1f, but theres no hope for me if I try to make my own...

And this track is damn torture!!!  cursing

You can't ask for a "driveable" setup unless you're using a wheel.  Roll Eyes Perhaps Raoni could give you a few pointers though.
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 08:50:33 PM +0100 »

Why, Alison Hine and Gregor Huttus are perfect, and yours are so-so ok... even Steve Cloyd nuburg setup is decent for this track, but i bottom out badly at this damn corner after the second hairpin...
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2011, 11:37:36 PM +0100 »

well - you are all miles faster than me but I have sub 3 mins as a target. 3:04 is my best but I was running out of fuel so my top speed was way down. Its all about confidence here.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 01:19:44 AM +0100 »

Why so many popups? And beware of some of the bankings...they can send you flying 50 meters in the air... NIce track, bit buggy, definetly not good for pro setting, almost no passing spots at the fast sections... Historic probably have been created especially for mazochists.

Slapped some setup finnaly, and got to 2.54, but I needed enormous ride height to prevent myself to spend half the lap in the air... 
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 02:09:53 AM +0100 »

Why, Alison Hine and Gregor Huttus are perfect, and yours are so-so ok... even Steve Cloyd nuburg setup is decent for this track, but i bottom out badly at this damn corner after the second hairpin...

And I can say Hine's are so-so, Huttu's are OK for some cars and not others, and mine are quite good.  Wink You should really put some effort in learning how to do your own setups that much your own driving style, otherwise it's a matter of luck whether some setup suits you or not, at every single track/car combination.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 03:42:57 AM +0100 »

  Well, since theres almost nothing left from the Cloyd setup, i guess i could call it my own setup... I lost half the bolts, the engine isnt mounted exactly straight, I suspect I have put the bump rubbers upside down, theres funny noise coming from the gearbox, I had to stick some scotch tape on that hole in the oil tank and im not sure that thing i tied the back rollbar with will hold...othervize the car is going perfectly fine. And i spilled oil all over the track...sorry about that, but just be careful, ok?
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2011, 07:28:54 AM +0100 »

Don't miss it Jason, its a great track, its not too hard to learn and provides excellent racing.

Oops just had a look last night, wrong track this is a sod!!!! Sorry Jason.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2011, 08:35:22 AM +0100 »

Thinking I might give this a go , purely in the interests of scientific research  Roll Eyes



plus the fact I'm house sitting  sitting tonight and will be bored stiff  Tongue

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2011, 11:05:01 AM +0100 »

Looking forward to this - Sachsenring is great fun  Grin
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