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  • S21Sp Monza: July 08, 2011
July 08, 2011, 10:45:38 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Specs
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 2:19.680
160.178mph
1 16:22.999
159.324mph
7 2:18.845
161.141mph
Goodyear  
natan5
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.918
159.132mph
2 +14.208
157.054mph
7 2:20.850
158.847mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.474
158.505mph
3 +17.909
156.473mph
7 2:19.196
160.735mph
Goodyear  
s2173
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 8 +3.749
155.991mph
4 +52.385
151.263mph
7 2:24.728
154.591mph
Firestone  
HendyNichols
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 15 5 +54.303
150.983mph
7 2:20.111
159.685mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +4.466
155.215mph
6 +1:18.189
147.585mph
7 2:20.621
159.106mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.563
159.535mph
7 +2:02.485
141.671mph
7 2:19.199
160.731mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 12 +9.337
150.141mph
8 +2:46.161
136.287mph
7 2:26.271
152.960mph
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +3.784
155.953mph
9 +1L
146.631mph
6 2:22.688
156.801mph
Disco
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +3.216
156.573mph
10 +1.898
146.327mph
6 2:23.537
155.874mph
Disco
Firestone  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.313
158.686mph
11 +2L
146.567mph
5 2:21.386
158.245mph
Disco
Firestone  
AuldenA
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 7 +3.512
156.249mph
12 +5L
149.366mph
2 2:22.697
156.791mph
Disco
Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 14 13 +6.531
146.179mph
2 2:22.592
156.907mph
suspension
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 11 +5.344
154.275mph
14 +7L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
jhalli
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 17 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

This one turned out to be a speed fest, with the Eagle particularly quick.


Server replay time: 0h01m14s

67 cars are notoriously unstable on cold tyres. Geoff shows this not to be true for half a minute with a lightning start but it goes wrong in the hedge at Curva Grande.
Escaping the hedge can be tricky & Geoff slews across the track catching Bernie & Sam. Will allow as a Racing Incident - but very poor marks for topiary.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h12m09s

Badblood hits a bump & drifts off-line into Hendy's path. Badbloods car is wreck but Hendy is untroubled. BB's first reset on the banking slides into a dip requiring a second reset. He takes 1 stop & go.
Second reset is free under the circumstances.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h18m04s

Ronnie requires a rest on the last lap & cannot take a SnG. (He did take on for the Reset on 8.23)

July 08, 2011, 10:48:00 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Specs
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 2:18.533
161.498mph
1 16:16.957
160.304mph
7 2:18.633
161.382mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +0.890
160.467mph
2 +2.465
159.900mph
7 2:18.522
161.511mph
Firestone  
natan5
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 3 +0.550
160.860mph
3 +7.612
159.064mph
7 2:18.820
161.164mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.179
161.290mph
4 +8.477
158.925mph
7 2:18.975
160.985mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +2.274
158.890mph
5 +29.451
155.613mph
7 2:21.312
158.322mph
Firestone  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 10 +3.532
157.483mph
6 +57.252
151.430mph
7 2:20.571
159.157mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +3.377
157.655mph
7 +2:06.123
141.975mph
7 2:21.063
158.602mph
Firestone  
HendyNichols
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 +3.865
157.115mph
8 +3:05.243
134.753mph
7 2:22.990
156.464mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 5 +1.142
160.178mph
9 +1L
138.290mph
6 2:19.892
159.929mph
Disco
Firestone  
s2173
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 8 +3.050
158.019mph
10 +2L
149.881mph
5 2:22.077
157.470mph
Disco
Goodyear  
AuldenA
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 14 +4.748
156.146mph
11 +32.078
143.705mph
5 2:23.491
155.918mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 12 +3.902
157.074mph
12 +1:51.602
130.385mph
5 2:24.746
154.566mph
Disco
Firestone  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 13 +4.077
156.881mph
13 +3L
185.988mph
4 2:22.388
157.126mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 6 +2.161
159.018mph
14 +4L
123.906mph
3 2:54.174
128.451mph
accident
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 15 +19.825
141.280mph
15 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 16 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Okay - the rules say Unlimited Shift R but this race takes the biscuit with 13!
As mentioned in the Mexico race post the Mod Team are taking this opportunity to clarify the rules that ignoring Shift R's (which are compulsory) will result in a Disqualification. For this event I will apply a 30 Sec penalty as the rules were not so clear.
PS I have watched the replay multiple times but if anyone feels they have been unfairly penalised please let us know.


Server replay time: 0h00m45s

Ronnie no longer wants to be a racing car - he wants to be a hockey puck. He spins on the start bounces off the cones & gets whacked by several other cars. General amnesty declared or everyone else caught up in this one.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Hendy takes a reset with no SnG & again at 05.46.
Two times 30 sec penalties.


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Evil requires a Reset & again on 05.05 but only takes one SnG.


Server replay time: 0h01m13s

Ronnie - failure to SnG after a reset.


Server replay time: 0h09m13s

Bernie fails to take a SnG after a reset.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
2:18.533
161.504mph
Samb
Qualifying
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967)July 08, 2011, 10:48:00 PM +0100
S21Sp
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
2:18.522
161.517mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Ferrari 312 (1967)July 08, 2011, 10:48:00 PM +0100
S21Sp
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« on: July 05, 2011, 12:35:17 AM +0100 »

Next stop in the Spec Race merry-go-round is Monza - not the Papyrus original but the Full 10K version which is the 67 track plus a heavily banked & slightly bumpy oval - to be taken flat out.  The oval was closed to F1 on account of it being too dangerous but Spec Series drivers  spit in the eye of danger & if that fails we always have the option of a Shift R. (Can you resist launching the car off the top of the banking to se what happens?) The 10K track was used for the finale of the 1966 film Grand Prix which is well worth a look if you haven't seen it.

Monza is a classic power circuit but will home advantage even up the odds between the  Ferrari & the raw speed of the Eagle?

A double win for Hristo at Albi means he has won in every race he has competed this season but the table is led by fellow Wazza, Evil Clive.  Natan occupies third place.

The track can be downloaded here monza10K

Spec Racing the format is a little different from other divisions. There will be two Intermediate Short Races, back to back on the same track. For each event there are two chassis available and you should drive both cars - anyone daft enough to use the same car will be disqualified for Race 2. Start with whichever chassis you like.
There is no handicapping all participants will run in one division.
Unlimited resets are allowed but every Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.
In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation on lap one.
Also please note that qualifying runs are limited to 12 minutes. (But as it’s a rather long lap I will probably allow 15, at least for Race 1)

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Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Friday 08-07-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Monza Full 10K
Race length = Intermediate Short
Variant = 1967
Chassis = Ferrari & Eagle
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = 12 minutes

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 10:37:56 PM +0100 »

Practice server is up - in fact there are TWO practice servers...
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2011, 12:29:53 AM +0100 »

Gutted, my favorite track and won't be around. Have fun.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2011, 07:46:46 AM +0100 »

Get your specially built, low CoefD, high efficiency race overalls on boys. Get used to slip-streaming duels at 190mph.....You're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.
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Lets get a good field for this one.....makes it more interesting with more cars to get a tow from.   Wink
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2011, 08:36:25 AM +0100 »

Yeah this is Monza²

But I don't get the Fez near to the Eagles perfomance...

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2011, 10:06:33 AM +0100 »

I cannot handle the Eagle on the banking at 195mph it is VERY unstable. Getting a best of 2:26 - which is also ran territory.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2011, 10:19:15 AM +0100 »

I cannot handle the Eagle on the banking at 195mph it is VERY unstable. Getting a best of 2:26 - which is also ran territory.

It means it's bottoming out, so you're running either too soft or too low, or both.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2011, 11:44:40 AM +0100 »

or bumps set too high  Smiley

or bumps set too low  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2011, 11:51:24 AM +0100 »

Er right I'm not confused now at all...

Eeek. Anyone got a setup I can borrow.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 12:16:19 PM +0100 »

Not me , dont have any 66 set ups worth a light and  none at all for eagul or fezzerr

what I do is set the ride hieght about 2.7 inch all round and 1.25 bumps , if the suspension bottoms out it either suddenly hits the chassis (use the bump rubbers to stop that happening ) or it hits the bump rubbers .

So raise the ride hieght a click or two , I try just the rear first (which helps dial out any understeer,  because in raising the rear we have reduced the rear roll stiffness)

NOTE contrary to popular belief , raising the rise height can improve grip , WHY ? because we have more suspension movement available which we need on bumpy tracks ( Monza banking was notoriously bumpy)

Downside is we need to follow up any increase in ride hieght by fitting thicker bump rubbers (thats what they were , litterally blocks of rubber fitted in the suspension )  otherwise the car will bottom out on the bumpers and cause instability (usually symtom is spinning completely out of control under braking )

Hope after reading this your now as confused as what I is  Roll Eyes

 
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 12:25:05 PM +0100 »

Er right - thanks. It is the 67's though, not the 66's.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 12:27:28 PM +0100 »

Well, you can't expect to improve unless you learn the meaning of setup settings, so the sooner the better. If you share the setup we could give a more exact advice as to what may be causing you to bottom out on the banking, otherwise it's just a number of suggestions as Bernie has pointed out.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 03:09:18 PM +0100 »

my comments are good for all mods (dunno about GT's havent been there yet )

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It is the 67's though, not the 66's.


Ooops just wasted an hour on 66 setups

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 10:44:52 PM +0100 »

Have to admit I didn't actually try all the chassis on all the tracks. The Eagle is wiping the floor with the Ferrari in straight line speed although the Fez is a bit more reliable in the corners. I'm finding the difference almost 2 seconds per lap. I got the Eagle up to 200mph - its faster than Spa & the 67's are quicker than 69 cars on this circuit. (Guess that proves wings are for fairies).
Could be an interesting couple of races with chassis selection changing the usual pecking order.
On set ups I'm running ride height of 2.75 & bumps of 1.0 to 1.1. Outlap is a little boisterous but get some heat in he tyres & its fine.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2011, 01:41:11 AM +0100 »

The Eagle is wiping the floor with the Ferrari in straight line speed although the Fez is a bit more reliable in the corners. I'm finding the difference almost 2 seconds per lap. I got the Eagle up to 200mph - its faster than Spa...

I confirm, same here!

If you want to get rid of all those people in pits and have fps drops, just try my Monza10k track folder Wink

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