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July 08, 2011, 10:45:38 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Specs
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 2:19.680
160.178mph
1 16:22.999
159.324mph
7 2:18.845
161.141mph
Goodyear  
natan5
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.918
159.132mph
2 +14.208
157.054mph
7 2:20.850
158.847mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.474
158.505mph
3 +17.909
156.473mph
7 2:19.196
160.735mph
Goodyear  
s2173
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 8 +3.749
155.991mph
4 +52.385
151.263mph
7 2:24.728
154.591mph
Firestone  
HendyNichols
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 15 5 +54.303
150.983mph
7 2:20.111
159.685mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +4.466
155.215mph
6 +1:18.189
147.585mph
7 2:20.621
159.106mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.563
159.535mph
7 +2:02.485
141.671mph
7 2:19.199
160.731mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 12 +9.337
150.141mph
8 +2:46.161
136.287mph
7 2:26.271
152.960mph
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +3.784
155.953mph
9 +1L
146.631mph
6 2:22.688
156.801mph
Disco
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +3.216
156.573mph
10 +1.898
146.327mph
6 2:23.537
155.874mph
Disco
Firestone  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.313
158.686mph
11 +2L
146.567mph
5 2:21.386
158.245mph
Disco
Firestone  
AuldenA
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 7 +3.512
156.249mph
12 +5L
149.366mph
2 2:22.697
156.791mph
Disco
Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 14 13 +6.531
146.179mph
2 2:22.592
156.907mph
suspension
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 11 +5.344
154.275mph
14 +7L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
jhalli
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 17 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

This one turned out to be a speed fest, with the Eagle particularly quick.


Server replay time: 0h01m14s

67 cars are notoriously unstable on cold tyres. Geoff shows this not to be true for half a minute with a lightning start but it goes wrong in the hedge at Curva Grande.
Escaping the hedge can be tricky & Geoff slews across the track catching Bernie & Sam. Will allow as a Racing Incident - but very poor marks for topiary.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h12m09s

Badblood hits a bump & drifts off-line into Hendy's path. Badbloods car is wreck but Hendy is untroubled. BB's first reset on the banking slides into a dip requiring a second reset. He takes 1 stop & go.
Second reset is free under the circumstances.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h18m04s

Ronnie requires a rest on the last lap & cannot take a SnG. (He did take on for the Reset on 8.23)

July 08, 2011, 10:48:00 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Specs
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 2:18.533
161.498mph
1 16:16.957
160.304mph
7 2:18.633
161.382mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +0.890
160.467mph
2 +2.465
159.900mph
7 2:18.522
161.511mph
Firestone  
natan5
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 3 +0.550
160.860mph
3 +7.612
159.064mph
7 2:18.820
161.164mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.179
161.290mph
4 +8.477
158.925mph
7 2:18.975
160.985mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +2.274
158.890mph
5 +29.451
155.613mph
7 2:21.312
158.322mph
Firestone  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 10 +3.532
157.483mph
6 +57.252
151.430mph
7 2:20.571
159.157mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +3.377
157.655mph
7 +2:06.123
141.975mph
7 2:21.063
158.602mph
Firestone  
HendyNichols
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 +3.865
157.115mph
8 +3:05.243
134.753mph
7 2:22.990
156.464mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 5 +1.142
160.178mph
9 +1L
138.290mph
6 2:19.892
159.929mph
Disco
Firestone  
s2173
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 8 +3.050
158.019mph
10 +2L
149.881mph
5 2:22.077
157.470mph
Disco
Goodyear  
AuldenA
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 14 +4.748
156.146mph
11 +32.078
143.705mph
5 2:23.491
155.918mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 12 +3.902
157.074mph
12 +1:51.602
130.385mph
5 2:24.746
154.566mph
Disco
Firestone  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 13 +4.077
156.881mph
13 +3L
185.988mph
4 2:22.388
157.126mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 6 +2.161
159.018mph
14 +4L
123.906mph
3 2:54.174
128.451mph
accident
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 15 +19.825
141.280mph
15 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 16 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Okay - the rules say Unlimited Shift R but this race takes the biscuit with 13!
As mentioned in the Mexico race post the Mod Team are taking this opportunity to clarify the rules that ignoring Shift R's (which are compulsory) will result in a Disqualification. For this event I will apply a 30 Sec penalty as the rules were not so clear.
PS I have watched the replay multiple times but if anyone feels they have been unfairly penalised please let us know.


Server replay time: 0h00m45s

Ronnie no longer wants to be a racing car - he wants to be a hockey puck. He spins on the start bounces off the cones & gets whacked by several other cars. General amnesty declared or everyone else caught up in this one.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Hendy takes a reset with no SnG & again at 05.46.
Two times 30 sec penalties.


Server replay time: 0h01m05s

Evil requires a Reset & again on 05.05 but only takes one SnG.


Server replay time: 0h01m13s

Ronnie - failure to SnG after a reset.


Server replay time: 0h09m13s

Bernie fails to take a SnG after a reset.

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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2011, 12:25:06 PM +0100 »

At first sorry Göran for that encounter we had in the first banking in heat one,
but even after several looks at the replay I can't say whose fault...  Roll Eyes

Had done some practice and found, that my cars aren't too bad after some close fightings with more experienced drivers.
I can't understand the troubles some have in the bankings, as for me they are just like full throttle straights...

Race 1
As a first reserve I waited to join and saw all the fast drivers will drive Ferrari, so my chance will be the Eagle Wink
Wow this worked fine! Had a good start and could keep in reach of the leaders.
After two carefull laps, my tires were warm, I begun to fight with Nathan in his slower Fez and finaly got him in a great battle.
Being now second with Clive half a mile in front, I said to myself on the backstraight to Parabolica "Now just don't make a  mistake!" .
But now braking in Para I did....
Ran wide in sand and lost my position again to Nathan  :'(
Rejoining, Göran got the chance to come besides me out of Para and we went full throttle to the banking where I kept the inside.
In practice I had done this several times and it was no problem for me to keep under the yellow line, but it is way more bumpy there!
In the middle of the banking we touched, both running near this yellow mark with lots of space for Göran on the outside.
Luckily I was not affected, as 2 seconds later a Paul was parking on my line and I could just avoid crashing...
So I drove in a 3rd place, with Nathan in front now too far away to catch.

Race2
Now my odds were not as good in the Ferrari, as all the fast drivers were in front of my 7th starting position...
But I luckily could avoid being involved in the hassle, that was caused by the outbreaking Fez in front of me, at the start.
So I reached the Curva Grande as 5th and held this position til the end, as I had no chance to reach the slipstream of Göran and Nathan.
Most of the race a brilliant mouse driving Sky followed  me in a secure distance thumbup1

Saw the strange ranking changes in pribluda  eek

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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2011, 05:21:38 PM +0100 »

A tale of two halves those races. The first race was an utter disaster. I didn't set up the Ferrari properly and there wasn't enough time to change the setup. Also, my computer crashed on me twice which meant I could squeeze just squeeze in two flying laps. On the first I was baulked by traffic. On the second, I went wide at the Curva Grande and slewed into the hedges  Undecided. The start of the race didn't fare that well either. With the traffic cones on my right I could only follow the car in front but sadly I got caught in Geoff and Bernie's tangle after the first corner. From then it was a fight up the field.  Had a good fight with Bill on the last lap and somehow finished 6th after all the calamities.

The 2nd race was much better. I was reasonably happy with the Eagle's setup and managed to snatch Pole in the dying minutes of the session. The start went well enough and after the Lesmo's I managed to pull a slight breather on H in the Ferrari. That was crucial for the remainder of the race as I was just too far away from H for him to get a tow from my car. He was dynamite through the Lesmo's and under-braking for the Parabolica but my car's straight line speed advantage made our times evenly matched.

Pleased to have finally won a race after some time. I just hope the results stand after the events at the start  angel. Congrats to everyone that made it to the podium.
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2011, 05:27:43 PM +0100 »

I know I apologised immediately after the race last night but let me say again I'm really sorry about the fiasco at the start of race 2. I have just watched the replay and its horrible. I have never pirouetted at the start like that before here, maybe the camber settings on my Fez had something to do with it maybe my foot was too heavy on the gas, whatever, sorry.

I still really enjoyed both races despite my coming together with Geoff in the final stages of race 1 and that dreadful start in race 2. I for one think this track is brilliant and hope to see it used again in a longer format.
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2011, 08:18:41 PM +0100 »

  I made the same mistake for the first race and drove the ferrari with default setup and 50 laps worth of race fuel... Which didnt turn out bad at all. Car was behaving like a dream, tho i could hear bottom scraping the asphalt all over the banks. Its definetly pure luck that i ended so high, but this was my first perfect race with not one mistake from my side...
  However, i second race with eagle i had the proper setup and still was a dissaster. MIssed the braking zone to parabolica twice, skyrocketed from the banks twice and just gave up...
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2011, 09:01:40 PM +0100 »

Looking at those results your best was a 2m24.xx  Roll Eyes

Sorry but the default setting is crap to say the least  Grin


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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2011, 01:02:23 PM +0100 »

What about championship table ?
Do you gonna fix last race points ?

Thx
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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2011, 01:27:31 PM +0100 »

What about championship table ?
Do you gonna fix last race points ?

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They better, lol! I also hope the fastest laps are fixed (the 10 secs laps ditched!)
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2011, 04:33:22 PM +0100 »

Looking at those results your best was a 2m24.xx  Roll Eyes

Sorry but the default setting is crap to say the least  Grin


Well, I definetly am no match to evil and hendy... but they have special way with feraris i guess. 2100 mph is just...wow!  Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2011, 10:17:22 AM +0100 »

As you will have noticed we have corrected the race results as best we can. The server skipped a lap for Hendy, Jason and Clive in Race 2 and gave them a lap time equal to the point at which they reset in lap 1. We have added their best qualification time + 5 seconds for lap 1 to achieve a realistic lap time which has obviously resulted in some movement. Whilst recognising that this is not absolutely perfect it is the best solution we have come up with. The moderators discussed this at some length and agreed that this was the most equitable solution all round. The points for the series have also been adjusted accordingly. So well done to Sam, even if the victory came in the Steward's hut!

Note that I (Badblood) benefited from a strange reset which skipped me half a lap. I have added 0.5 x Qualification + 5 seconds to deal with this which has resulted in me being demoted behind Ronnie, which is more realistic.

If you have any comments or questions I would be grateful if you would PM me before posting here. I am keen to avoid an argument in the forum due to misinformation. Not that UKGPL drivers would ever do that.  Grin
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2011, 11:00:48 AM +0100 »

Can you adjust the correct fastest lap times so they are read by SROU? ATM it shows much slower times as the fastest, for both races. And BTW, why not just watch the replay and see the actual finishing positions of those whose times messed up at the end, instead of adding random 5 seconds to their lap times from qual?
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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2011, 11:10:23 AM +0100 »

Because we are limited in what we can do with altering data within LM2. It is not random. The 5 secs is to account for the fact that this is lap 1 and accelerating away from a standing start is slower by roughly that amount. The FL has not been updated even though the underlying data has. This is the only way I am ever going to get an FL so I am not too unhappy with the situation Wink
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« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2011, 11:50:36 AM +0100 »

Because we are limited in what we can do with altering data within LM2. It is not random. The 5 secs is to account for the fact that this is lap 1 and accelerating away from a standing start is slower by roughly that amount. The FL has not been updated even though the underlying data has. This is the only way I am ever going to get an FL so I am not too unhappy with the situation Wink

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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 12:35:16 PM +0100 »

Lol - not sure why the fastest lap hasn't been updated but you and Evil have loads anyway Wink
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2011, 01:06:26 PM +0100 »

Paul, I wonder if there is a separate field in the lm2 data structure which stores the fastest lap. Even though the underlying times have been updated that field is probably still out of date.

Shame there is no way to alter that but I suspect we'd need access to the database directly, which Gizmo probably wouldn't allow.
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2011, 03:20:18 PM +0100 »

There is a Race Fastest Lap field which has been amended to match the real best lap as taken from the replay/report but clearly the code to create the grids and record keep is not fully in tune with this. The relationship must be complex because my Profile shows that I have a Fastest Lap but my record has disappeared as has Hendy's.

The main point is that we have a reasonable as opposed to a ridiculous race result with supportable points totals.
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