UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Porsche - Mexico City (1962-1979) - Jul 29

[Pedro vd Berg]

Server 2

1e lap was a madhouse .....................lost so many places 

Fun to fight my way back in rank order.

Happy with 3e place.
Congratulations Evil and Göran....well done!!

Looking foreward to France,
Greetings Pedro.

[clouds]

About Hristo I only can say that it is strange that Hristo blames other pilots for a behaviour he has been the first to have on the other pilots. He gave a little tap on the back of Tristan and Tristan was out of race. He exactly used a little tap on my right side at the hairpin exactly like I made (after him anyway) letting me know he is not only a good race car pilot but also a good bumper car pilot as well. Anyway I suddenly adapted my behaviour to his and...I was blamed by him!!! This is noticeably!!! And like it was not enough, another time he gave  me LITTLE tap during last 2 laps and the result has been that he passed me just before to start the last lap. I have also another thing to say about lapped pilots, for me they have to stay far away from the groove when lapping pilots are closing faster, this is the reason my race has been almost ruined because during the last 3 or 4 laps I've found a lapped car at T1 just in trajectory like the pilot didn't know to be lapped. The result has been that I've tried to overtake that car externally and when I've been beside him, whitout any reason, he moved to the external blocking me absolutely and so letting Hristo the chance to overtake me just toward the end of the race!!! I think the most of us just have the right experience to judge if we can cause an incident but it is a thing we all have to figured out early the incident can occur otherwise the experience is meaningless!
I will send my LITTLE reports about Hristo and ...it is not the first time he creates his rooms in the crowd with a little tap behind or aside!
After these claims I only can say it was the most fun race I've ever made!
If we race with race cars it's ok but if we race with bumper cars then tell me and...I'll surrond my car with a truck tire  

YahoooOOoOoo....

[vosblod]

No comment on the race issues as I was not there but, as regards lapping, this is the advice in our etiquette section;

How to allow a lapping car to pass cleanly
When approached by a faster car, initially just hold your line to prevent any confusion A valid exception to this is where you have spotted the car early enough to move off the racing line before they approach you. Make sure that any such move is made well before the lapping car is close to give them plenty of time to react. If in doubt, it is best to hold your line.

If the faster driver then moves alongside in an attempt to pass, back off just very slightly to make the pass easier. Be aware in this situation that GPL only shows one following car in your mirrors. If the pass is in a corner, make sure to give as much room as possible to the other driver. Because of warping and your limited peripheral vision, this usually means running right around the outside of a corner.

If the following car does not pass you almost immediately then try to allow them to pass at a safe part of the circuit as soon as you can.

Suggestion 1 — as you brake for a corner stay well to the outside during the braking stage, then deliberately run right around the outside of the corner allowing the faster driver to pass on the inside line.
Suggestion 2 — as you enter a straight (as long as the following driver is not very close behind) move away from the racing line, then slow slightly to allow the faster driver to pass.
Following these guidelines will allow you let a driver lap you safely, without hindering them or yourself. At some circuits such as Monaco, it may require extra care to make this go smoothly. Ultimately, as long as you have done everything above correctly, any accident where the lapping driver hits the back of you is likely to be their fault.

Advice for the lapping driver
The lapping driver takes the majority of the responsibility to make a clean pass. If you cannot see any guaranteed clean route to pass the driver then be patient and follow them! Do not make a risky move even if it means following them for a long period. Anyone causing an accident through impatience will be penalised severely.

The lapping driver is responsible for following a slower driver at a safe distance. Slow down when approaching a slower car – the speed difference may be much larger than you expect. Their lines and braking points may be totally different to yours and they may be more likely to make mistakes. Warping will also mean that you may need to leave extra room. Lapping drivers showing a lack of care in this situation will be penalised.

So the suggestion is, in general, the lapped car stays on the line and lifts slightly when the lapping car moves out to pass unless they have had time to move across safely. Obviously they shouldn't then move off the line as you are making the pass. I know from experience it can be quite tricky to avoid any confusion when being lapped...

[Hristo Itchov]

About Hristo I only can say that it is strange that Hristo blames other pilots for a behaviour he has been the first to have on the other pilots. He gave a little tap on the back of Tristan and Tristan was out of race.

You must be kidding, right? He cut in front of me almost hitting my frontend, he lost control of the car, hit the armco, hit the backmarker and simply almost stopped in front of me, so I couldn't avoid the contact. It's not like I was making an attack or anything! It was totally his own doing and if I had been spun around or retired in that contact, it would've still been his fault, not mine.

He exactly used a little tap on my right side at the hairpin

Again, more jokes! You kept the outside line before the braking zone, I went for the inside, and you turned into the corner some 5-10 meters earlier than normal, just to block my line! What do you expect me to do, disappear? You got some nerve to blame me for that one...

exactly like I made (after him anyway) letting me know he is not only a good race car pilot but also a good bumper car pilot as well. Anyway I suddenly adapted my behaviour to his and...I was blamed by him!!! This is noticeably!!!

How you compare that blatant rearending of yours with what happened previously is unbelievable! You were what, 10-20 meters back during the braking zone and you simply entered the corner sideways at much higher speed, using my car as a brake! Have you even watched the replay before you talk nonsense like this?  

And like it was not enough, another time he gave  me LITTLE tap during last 2 laps

TBH, you totally deserve that tap after all the bad moves you did early on and I was not going to let you drive so dirty and see myself always come out as the victim. Besides, it was not intentional, unlike your moves. I was opting to go for the outside and you simply had much slower exit speed than all previous laps. Not to mention the tap was so innocent that you only lost a bit of speed and was instantly back on the attack behind me. Seriously, before you make such ridiculous claims, watch the replay and think about what you did and why you did it, if you want to be honest with yourself of course...

and the result has been that he passed me just before to start the last lap. I have also another thing to say about lapped pilots, for me they have to stay far away from the groove when lapping pilots are closing faster, this is the reason my race has been almost ruined because during the last 3 or 4 laps I've found a lapped car at T1 just in trajectory like the pilot didn't know to be lapped. The result has been that I've tried to overtake that car externally and when I've been beside him, whitout any reason, he moved to the external blocking me absolutely and so letting Hristo the chance to overtake me just toward the end of the race!!! I think the most of us just have the right experience to judge if we can cause an incident but it is a thing we all have to figured out early the incident can occur otherwise the experience is meaningless!
I will send my LITTLE reports about Hristo and ...it is not the first time he creates his rooms in the crowd with a little tap behind or aside!
After these claims I only can say it was the most fun race I've ever made!
If we race with race cars it's ok but if we race with bumper cars then tell me and...I'll surrond my car with a truck tire  

YahoooOOoOoo....

I'll tell you what your problem is (and Tristan's too), you're so impatient and so aggressive, that you go beyond your own limits every time when someone attacks you or every time you have to pass a backmarker. This leads to a lot of risky situations and to unnecessary accidents. The situation you explain that a backmarker blocked you is ridiculous to say the least, because I witnessed it first hand while running with you. You carried your normal speed through the corner, if not even higher than normal, and you expect a backmarker, who is obviously slower, to suddenly pick up speed or to give you room as soon as you appear in their mirrors inside a corner? Jeez, step off your high cloud (pun intended), you're expecting miracles to happen and that they're always in your favour.

In addition, you try to block and drive defensively in the last moment, without taking into account whether the driver behind has already committed to a line and can't simply disappear anymore, so you basically give them two chances - throw themselves off or hit you. Take a guess which one is more likely to happen...

We'll see how the moderators treat those incidents and I'm almost certain you'll be penalized, so don't be surprised when that happens. And if it's not enough to open your eyes, then nothing will be...

[clouds]

What is ridicolous is...that you were faster than me and you adopted erratic behaviours during your attacs, so the result has been deprecable. Watch out for the replay you at first. Usually in GPFun championship we use Fairplay when a pilot involves another unintentionally in an accident giving back the position arbitrarily subtracted. I didn't see any behavior like that in your moves Hristo and I'm disappointed for this. You only stopped me at the hairpin and you've escaped more fastly possible like nothing happened. And when you say not intentional tap...I could also believe it but it doesn't mean it happened with no effects on me...infact you've overtaken me during this action and definately it was the move that made you win the race or it is not so !?!?!?
You've much more experience than me in GPL racing (at high level I should add) so your behavior for me has been not one of the best I've seen till now.
The 3rd chance is...to brake in time, and I don't know why you've not considered it like the 1st option (also talking about lapping) !!!!
If you see the replay well, I've not used your car to brake at the hairpin, I've been just perfectly controlling my car and anyway the situation is exactly the same as your 1st impact on me.
Mind your own business and let our problems to us so if you've time to loose, think at Solitude, you've almost ruined the race to me and Tom at the same time involving a lot of pilots in your move!
It will be nice to see what will be the mod report for this race. Looking forward to Rouen!

[Hristo Itchov]

What is ridicolous is...that you were faster than me and you adopted erratic behaviours during your attacs, so the result has been deprecable. Watch out for the replay you at first. Usually in GPFun championship we use Fairplay when a pilot involves another unintentionally in an accident giving back the position arbitrarily subtracted. I didn't see any behavior like that in your moves Hristo and I'm disappointed for this. You only stopped me at the hairpin and you've escaped more fastly possible like nothing happened. And when you say not intentional tap...I could also believe it but it doesn't mean it happened with no effects on me...infact you've overtaken me during this action and definately it was the move that made you win the race or it is not so !?!?!?
You've much more experience than me in GPL racing (at high level I should add) so your behavior for me has been not one of the best I've seen till now.
The 3rd chance is...to brake in time, and I don't know why you've not considered it like the 1st option (also talking about lapping) !!!!
If you see the replay well, I've not used your car to brake at the hairpin, I've been just perfectly controlling my car and anyway the situation is exactly the same as your 1st impact on me.
Mind your own business and let our problems to us so if you've time to loose, think at Solitude, you've almost ruined the race to me and Tom at the same time involving a lot of pilots in your move!
It will be nice to see what will be the mod report for this race. Looking forward to Rouen!

Erratic behaviour?  Where, what? Are you crazy? There was nobody more erratic in that race than yourself and Tristan, changing lines all the time and driving unpredictably whenever you come close to another car or another car closes up on you. I'm curious how you even speak of fairplay and how you get away with such kind of "fairplay" in GPFun. You speak of giving a position back yet you never did that on any of the occasions you caused an accident, so should I laugh that you even suggest that to me or what? Keep crying about the tap, but compared to your intentional bad driving it was nothing at all. As for comparing the 2 hairpin contacts again, I'll tell you once more - you were at fault for both and they were totally different to each other.

And how dare you blame me for what happened at Solitude when it was YOU who lost the line and hit me from the side despite the fact that I provided you with enough room for 2 cars!  You ruined your own races there! At the time I thought it was just an unfortunate situation that won't be happening again, but now I know there's more to it. 

As for minding my own business, you should follow your own advice and mind yours, because all I did here was present my own race report without pointing out the finger personally. I'm entitled to an opinion you know and race reports are exactly that - personal opinions. Whether you like it or not is your problem. You, instead of doing that, had to address your post towards me personally instead, and try to come out as a victim when you were far from that. Have some dignity please and take responsibility for all the bad you did, because if you actually read my post, I never ran away from the responsibility I carried for some of the on-track situations. Instead of that, you just keep making excuses for all accidents you were to blame for, or worse - you don't even comment on them (it's more convenient that way, right?), but then you emphasize on minor contacts or pure racing incidents, and use those to make yourself seen as the innocent victim. You were anything but that.

[clouds]

Hey Hristo I've been hit from you 4 times...I say it again, 4 times. Is it enough for you ?
For me also 2 is enough, once I can concede you but 2 are already to much, then...you've hit me 4, 1...2...3...4 and the last one obviously has been the better just at 1 lap to go and taking the 1st position untill the finish line.
I think you don't remember well also Solitude, I was in 3rd place when you hit the hay bales during the 1st or 2nd lap and you were in 2nd place,...I fortunately escaped the heap you made at the end of the straight, what are you remembering I don't know, maybe another movie I think !  

Obviously I can't point my finger to anyone excepting you because you've hit me and not everybody else. 

[miner2049er]

OK, I don't think the two of you are going to agree about this so can we please refrain from a public slanging match on the forums as it helps nobody and only damages UKGPL.

Let's see what the moderation brings and see if we can move on to some more exciting racing.

Thanks.

[clouds]

Hi guys. Do you have any reference time for Rouen GT or better Porsche ?

Thanks.

[Ronniepeterson]

I see Tristan is already running round here at sub 2.02, so I expect one of you speed demons to be cracking the 2min barrier in qualifying at least!! Good luck.

[BadBlood]

If you can do 2:02 in a Porsche you are quick. 2:03 will be competitive in the race. I am aiming for 2:10s  

[clouds]

I think also the poleman will be under 2 mins I don't know how many seconds but surely under 2 mins.

[EDIT]
After a little practice it seems it is quite difficult to stay below 2:02 consistently. It could mean the poleman should be around 2:01.50 or 2:01.00. Below 2:01 it should be a fantastic laptime (at least for me).

[Hristo Itchov]

Hey Hristo I've been hit from you 4 times...I say it again, 4 times. Is it enough for you ?
For me also 2 is enough, once I can concede you but 2 are already to much, then...you've hit me 4, 1...2...3...4 and the last one obviously has been the better just at 1 lap to go and taking the 1st position untill the finish line.
I think you don't remember well also Solitude, I was in 3rd place when you hit the hay bales during the 1st or 2nd lap and you were in 2nd place,...I fortunately escaped the heap you made at the end of the straight, what are you remembering I don't know, maybe another movie I think !  

Obviously I can't point my finger to anyone excepting you because you've hit me and not everybody else.  

LOL, 4 times?! Your lies never end, do they! Prove that it was 4 times, go on and report them, provide replays, show the world how it was my fault for all 4 and how you were a good innocent driver throughout the race.   I'm very interested to see that, otherwise I'm calling you nothing but a liar.   BTW, next time you report an incident, don't just write "several" in the time field, but point out the exact moment of the incident, so people involved would know what to reply in their defense. Anyway though, I've reported all incidents and almost-incidents that involve you, so feel entitled to try and turn reality around to prove your innocence.  

As for Solitude, fine then, whether it was you or Tristan on the inside of the corner in the lead of the race is irrelevant, the point is - he lost control, I was well clear on the outside and provided more than enough room, so he simply slid wide into me and spun me into the haybales. From there on it was out of control for anyone, unless you believe people should chose to hit Esc and retire instead of waiting to get a chance to continue. So again, before you spread more lies and try to twist the truth around to suit your pathetic case, post evidence and report the incidents if you so strongly believe it was someone else's fault. Otherwise you just piss me off with your ridiculous claims.

[blito]

Hristo, Sergio, just drop it please.. This kind of public arguement does nothing for our image and ability to attract new racers into our friendly relaxed group.....

[Hristo Itchov]

Hristo, Sergio, just drop it please.. This kind of public arguement does nothing for our image and ability to attract new racers into our friendly relaxed group.....

I'm not going to drop my defense against such public claims that tarnish on my integrity as a racing driver and which more importantly have no basis whatsoever, but are totally made up and delusional. It was him who started it and until he chooses to either apologize and or prove his case with hard evidence, then I'll keep disproving his claims in any way I can. I'm amazed of the nerve he has coming here and throwing all those lies when he knows very well in his heart that nothing of that is true and that he's guilty of causing multiple incidents himself.