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August 09, 2011, 09:47:55 PM +0100 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Rainier
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 2:06.198
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1 38:21.449
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18 2:05.340
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Dunlop  
Cookie
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.622
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2 +42.058
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18 2:08.186
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Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.617
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3 (+10) +1:04.634
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18 2:08.366
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +1.539
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4 +1:12.300
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18 2:07.317
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Dunlop  
s2173
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +2.500
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5 +1:25.552
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18 2:10.235
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +2.578
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6 (+2) +1:30.035
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18 2:08.370
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Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.600
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7 +1:33.052
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18 2:08.474
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Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.190
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8 (+2) +1:33.784
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18 2:08.579
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.328
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9 +1:58.332
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18 2:08.439
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +2.113
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10 (+1) +2:01.393
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18 2:09.991
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Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.927
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11 +2:03.547
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18 2:09.281
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Dunlop  
DuFossa
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +3.221
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12 +2:16.684
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18 2:07.966
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Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +0.445
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13 (+3) +4L
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14 2:08.480
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.672
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14 +11L
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7 2:08.585
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Dunlop  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 +28.197
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15 +12L
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6 2:22.932
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Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +2.370
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16 +14L
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4 2:14.613
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Dunlop  
AuldenA
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +10.832
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17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 18 ---
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Dunlop  

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Who enjoys anything else more than a pleasant drive through France?

What could be more relaxing? Winding roads, green grass, grandiose trees, upside down cars......


Server replay time: 0h00m49s

The flagman is killed by a quick starting Martin who shows no mercy and actually laughs as he mows down this innocent father of 3.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h00m56s

Rog approaches T1 with Paul and the two are initially side by side with Paul slightly in front.

Rog lifts and backs out of a passing attempt and intends to follow Paul through T1 but under braking Rog closes right up as Paul is slower than Rog expects. RogUK has no significant overlap before Paul begins to take the line into the corner, as he is entitled to do.

Contact is inevitable but just before it occurs, warp triggers a collision and both drivers go off.

Paul is slower then RogUK expects but it is still Rog's responsibility to avoid a collision.

It would ordinarily be classed as a Blatant Rear End Shunt with a 2 place penalty and a Lap 1 incident penalty of 1 place on top.

However, as RogUK had tried to avoid the move, Paul was much slower than Rog expected and there was some warp involved I will mitigate one of the penalty places but still apply the extra place penalty for the Lap 1 incident.


Server replay time: 0h01m20s

Karliss approaches the hairpin and loses control under braking.
As he fights for control he hits Axel and the carnage begins.
Karliss did brake a little late but would have made the corner had he not lost control and gone on the grass.
He does however reset when it is obvious that the track is not clear enough to do so and takes a second reset at 0h01m40s but only takes 1 Stop n Go.
He then takes a final Stop n Go on his last lap, presumably for the second reset here.
Norm resets before the track is clear and in the same places as Karliss.
Fabio hits the stricken Karliss but does slow down more than enough but has nowhere to go.
Jonny taps the back of Fran but is almost stationary as he does it and in turn gets hit by RogUK. Jonny does try to reverse on to the racing line with cars around him.
Skymole does the right thing and stops when he sees the carnage ahead.
Du Fossa taps a couple of people but sits still and does try not to cause further confusion.
Paul is dissatisfied with the short lived horror he caused at T1 and decides that if the only tool he has is a hammer, then every problem must look like a nail and decides to tap away at the side of a couple of cars before successfully launching the third one skyward.
Norbert arrives at the scene only to discover that everyone has gone so he decides to create his own little sideshow to please the baying crowd.


Server replay time: 0h16m41s

Fran closes in to lap Bookie as they approach Nouveau Monde. Fran is caught out a little by the difference in speed between himself and Bookie, and rear-ends him.


Server replay time: 0h17m20s

Fran spins and recovers. As he gets back up to speed Al Baldwin looks to pass him on the outside but backs out of the move. Just as he does so he suffers a warp contact from Fran.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h25m50s

RogUk brakes for the hairpin and gets rear ended by Blito.

What initially appears to be a blatant rear ending by Blito needs to be looked at more closely.

Normally Blito is faster through the left hander leading to the hairpin, but on this lap is slower than normal as he is following RogUK quite closely.

RogUK enters the left hander slightly quicker on this lap than on his previous lap but through the turn and out of it he stays on the brakes for longer than normal and so he is much slower on final approach to the hairpin than normal which is what catches Blito out, even though he is slower than normal at this point.

Clearly it is Blito's responsibility to avoid a collision but on the server replay Rog does brake excessively hard. What this could mean is that the server momentarily loses him as he is braking and thinks he continues to brake. Without a client replay or driver report it is not possible to be certain, but I will mitigate the Simple Rear End Shunt as I think an element of warp is involved.

  • blito (Jason Blito)warning — Marginal Rear End Shunt — also, 2 places lost for penalty points


Server replay time: 0h29m20s

Al and Blito contest Scerie and Al spins where he is tapped by Blito who could not avoid him.
JonnyO is fast approaching and takes avoiding action by driving around Al who chooses the same moment to get going again.


Server replay time: 0h33m10s

Fabio pulls alongside Fran who moves over into him.
Both spin and continue.


Server replay time: 0h39m40s

Fabio and Fran meet again as they approach Scerie.
Fran moves to the right to overtake but is straddling the centre line while Fabio sticks to the left hand side.
As they brake Fran moves further left towards fabio and is completely on his side of the track when he has a slight wobble and Fabio suffers a warp contact and is pushed off track into a spin.
The question here is whether Fran could have helped to avoid the warp contact and in fact contributed towards it by not giving Fabio enough room to which he was fully entitled by achieving the amount of overlap.

  • francesco (fran5 Molteni)penalty — Warp Incident Caused by Careless Driving — 1 place lost (plus 4 for penalty points)

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 03:12:07 PM +0100 »

And at the hairpin, I watched two of my stablemates tangle, which meant I was up to 3rd after only half a lap !  

Yeah, I was pretty surprised when my stablemate missed his braking point...

After a last lap qualification to 3rd, my start was good and I closely followed the leaders down to this black point of the race.
In my practicing I had especially trained this braking to not stick in this ugly tires...
But I was lucky and could leave the hairpin short after Martin, unhurt with the red Baron Fran in my neck.
Now a close battle began, that lasted 4 laps, with great respet and fairness!
After 2 laps Fran caught me at the end of the long straight, but messed the braking into the hairpin 2 laps later.
From that moment I was in 2nd place and just controlled my distance to Fran until the finish line.
Gratz to David for this great win, hope to see you soon as my stablemate Grin

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 03:15:22 PM +0100 »

another "oldstyle" race for me.....
so do personal reasons and a lot of work i reinstall my pc in a race day morning. Also practised Rouen track some 3 1/2 hours before race only.
anyway i did my PB in qual and i started in P5.... after start i went up to P4 and some huge warp starts....
so i had messed first sector with jumping cars (also Cookie, tried to avoid, but sorry)
and most terrible actions i made in hairpin... in entering i lost control, tried to handle car and brake hard... blocked wheels and technicaly in my replay i didnt hit noone (only terrible dangerous driving) but i believe in server replay i hit Cookie.... anyway with that "Jedi Force Push" we both flow high up in the sky with like rockets...realy sorry.
After race chat i thought it was N.Hance.. and even didnt apoligize for you... so Sorry onece more.
did frustrated Shifts+R so one for real, and second in the same place. so for first i pited in the same lap, for second i pited at the final lap, before finish line (to be in rules)
anyway started long journey in lap1 from last position (2nd race in row) and climbed up by other driver mistakes... only real batles i had with DuFossa... and Badblood....
must say, i didn't expect that Cooper will be same fast as Badbloods Honda lol....
so no chances with two Shifts and two spining mistakes out of grass during race...
happy i wasnt laped (cos lap was above 2mins )
congratz Winner
and yes... seems championchip dream is over, cos next race i will mis.
(anyway i didnt plan to be so far in champ points before this season, didn't plan to win and didn't plan to fight for title in midle of it... so it was great)
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 03:30:57 PM +0100 »

Also practised Rouen track some 3 1/2 hours before race only.

Karliss, I went into Rouen with ZERO hours practice! In fact, this season I have only been doing practice sessions if either the car or circuit is new to me! And so last night, as usual, I spent the qualifying session refining the cars setup (mostly gearing) and getting used to braking points... Set my PB with full race fuel (again as I usually do!) and had a nice careful race to a 6th place finish. I think you need to try find a different excuse m8 Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 03:47:14 PM +0100 »

 Turns out i might have been partially the reazon for wrapping, i wondered why I get only 19-24 fps in race... turns out thet for unknown reasons i have put my AGP videocard speed to 0. I had some wierd occurancies at the Scierie corner too, with car randomly pulling to the left exacly before the braking zone, which was pity, because in practices that was the place I was faster compared to others. In race i never registered a lap below 2.10, which was slow and im suprized i finished so high... generaly did a clean race with 2 spins at the last laps, when it didnt really matter.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 03:50:49 PM +0100 »

must say, i didn't expect that Cooper will be same fast as Badbloods Honda lol....

Wouldn't have been if I had driven better Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 04:30:39 PM +0100 »


.. I have only been doing practice sessions if either the car or circuit is new to me! ...

indeed... i didn't mention - i never didn't race on Rouen with 65 and also du no if i ever raced any other mod on this track using wheel.
so no difference for me - same unknown track.
and dont panics about my practise time spent on this game. I duno if there is anything in this life where you can be succesful without spending time on it.
Hristo dont practice only for now, but i dont believe hi didn't practice while ago before reached his alien status.
i will spent a lot of time of practising in future, so dont worry
reson - i feel a lot comfortable when i can race faster than all other cars on track without pushing hard at all (with gap for limit)
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 04:39:03 PM +0100 »

I approach my racing from a totally different persepctive. I practise as little as I can get away with! There is so much more to life than playing computer games, and thus I practice only enough to keep myself off the back of the grid! What matters to me is that I enjoy my racing and I enjoy racing most when I'm wheel to wheel with another guy, matters not if I'm racing for the win or for 15th...


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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 05:09:15 PM +0100 »

What's the point of doing something if you're not giving it all you have? Fun? Real fun comes from doing something you like and doing it properly by giving it your full attention and effort, so if someone likes to spend hours practicing for GPL, that's their choice. It has nothing to do with whether this is a computer game or not...
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2011, 08:41:32 PM +0100 »

  Congratulations to Rainier!!

  It was a terrible day for me, IGOR indicated that I did not have the track installed on my game. So I could not get in!

  I tried reinstalling the track but refused to IGOR aceitar.Faltava 3 minutes. That's when I tried to get by and got IP, 2 minutes and 20 missing segundos.Consegui do just one lap timer and do the 7 th time.

  The race had all that trouble in rairpin and lost a long time, after all these problems reaching number 7 in the end still not all lost.
  In the last five laps I had a lot of pressure of  R.UK65 Pilot (Huh),hope I have not committed any irregularity in this dispute.
 


Thanks Jonny !

It is not arrogance to say this was a very easy win for me.
For 2 reasons : I had the only Lotus and this is a really superior car in mod65 and I know by heart this track !
With a Cooper, I don't think I would have been able to compete with Axel !
So except the first lap, it was a lonely race for me and a little bit boring one !
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2011, 08:38:09 AM +0100 »

Well Done Rainier,

You where by far the quickest driver on the day and you deserve the victory. A really great drive from you, I wish to be closest to you at future races Smiley if only to make your racing more interesting.
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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2011, 10:53:24 PM +0100 »

Yes, well done Rainier, you truly were far quicker than the rest of the field ... Now bugger off and play with the Prozzies instead Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 01:22:31 AM +0100 »

Yes, well done Rainier, you truly were far quicker than the rest of the field ... Now bugger off and play with the Prozzies instead Cheesy


Yes, his lap time would be good enough for the front rows if Pro would race there right now. Looking forward to racing you, Rainer.  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 09:11:48 AM +0100 »

Yes, well done Rainier, you truly were far quicker than the rest of the field ... Now bugger off and play with the Prozzies instead Cheesy


Yes, his lap time would be good enough for the front rows if Pro would race there right now. Looking forward to racing you, Rainer.  Grin

Thanks all for your nice comments  Wink
As I wrote, Rouen is one of my prefered tracks. and Lotus33 is far quicker than the other 1965's F1 ...especially the Cooper.
With the german league GPLracer, this year I ran with BRM and finished only 9th !

But no problem for me, if now I have to take another car or to run with the "Pros"  Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 10:50:41 AM +0100 »

I think it would be a knee-jerk reaction if your car is changed because of a single race result. As for moving to Pro, such switches usually happen before the start of the next season.
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 11:48:46 AM +0100 »

But no problem for me, if now I have to take another car or to run with the "Pros"  Smiley

No changes will be forced on you this season.

Even if you win every race you won't affect the top of the championship and would only finish mid table.

Next season you would have the option of a slower car in Novices but would probably be better suited to a higher division.
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