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  • S21Nov Rouen: August 09, 2011
August 09, 2011, 09:47:55 PM +0100 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Novices (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 2:06.198
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1 38:21.449
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18 2:05.340
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Dunlop  
Cookie
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.622
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2 +42.058
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18 2:08.186
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Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.617
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3 (+10) +1:04.634
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18 2:08.366
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +1.539
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4 +1:12.300
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18 2:07.317
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Dunlop  
s2173
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +2.500
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5 +1:25.552
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18 2:10.235
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +2.578
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6 (+2) +1:30.035
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18 2:08.370
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Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.600
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7 +1:33.052
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18 2:08.474
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Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.190
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8 (+2) +1:33.784
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18 2:08.579
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.328
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9 +1:58.332
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18 2:08.439
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +2.113
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10 (+1) +2:01.393
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18 2:09.991
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Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.927
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11 +2:03.547
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18 2:09.281
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Dunlop  
DuFossa
 Team Coyote
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 15 +3.221
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12 +2:16.684
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18 2:07.966
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Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +0.445
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13 (+3) +4L
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14 2:08.480
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.672
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14 +11L
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7 2:08.585
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Dunlop  
BookieW
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 +28.197
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15 +12L
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6 2:22.932
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Goodyear  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 +2.370
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16 +14L
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4 2:14.613
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Dunlop  
AuldenA
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 16 +10.832
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17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 18 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Who enjoys anything else more than a pleasant drive through France?

What could be more relaxing? Winding roads, green grass, grandiose trees, upside down cars......


Server replay time: 0h00m49s

The flagman is killed by a quick starting Martin who shows no mercy and actually laughs as he mows down this innocent father of 3.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h00m56s

Rog approaches T1 with Paul and the two are initially side by side with Paul slightly in front.

Rog lifts and backs out of a passing attempt and intends to follow Paul through T1 but under braking Rog closes right up as Paul is slower than Rog expects. RogUK has no significant overlap before Paul begins to take the line into the corner, as he is entitled to do.

Contact is inevitable but just before it occurs, warp triggers a collision and both drivers go off.

Paul is slower then RogUK expects but it is still Rog's responsibility to avoid a collision.

It would ordinarily be classed as a Blatant Rear End Shunt with a 2 place penalty and a Lap 1 incident penalty of 1 place on top.

However, as RogUK had tried to avoid the move, Paul was much slower than Rog expected and there was some warp involved I will mitigate one of the penalty places but still apply the extra place penalty for the Lap 1 incident.


Server replay time: 0h01m20s

Karliss approaches the hairpin and loses control under braking.
As he fights for control he hits Axel and the carnage begins.
Karliss did brake a little late but would have made the corner had he not lost control and gone on the grass.
He does however reset when it is obvious that the track is not clear enough to do so and takes a second reset at 0h01m40s but only takes 1 Stop n Go.
He then takes a final Stop n Go on his last lap, presumably for the second reset here.
Norm resets before the track is clear and in the same places as Karliss.
Fabio hits the stricken Karliss but does slow down more than enough but has nowhere to go.
Jonny taps the back of Fran but is almost stationary as he does it and in turn gets hit by RogUK. Jonny does try to reverse on to the racing line with cars around him.
Skymole does the right thing and stops when he sees the carnage ahead.
Du Fossa taps a couple of people but sits still and does try not to cause further confusion.
Paul is dissatisfied with the short lived horror he caused at T1 and decides that if the only tool he has is a hammer, then every problem must look like a nail and decides to tap away at the side of a couple of cars before successfully launching the third one skyward.
Norbert arrives at the scene only to discover that everyone has gone so he decides to create his own little sideshow to please the baying crowd.


Server replay time: 0h16m41s

Fran closes in to lap Bookie as they approach Nouveau Monde. Fran is caught out a little by the difference in speed between himself and Bookie, and rear-ends him.


Server replay time: 0h17m20s

Fran spins and recovers. As he gets back up to speed Al Baldwin looks to pass him on the outside but backs out of the move. Just as he does so he suffers a warp contact from Fran.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h25m50s

RogUk brakes for the hairpin and gets rear ended by Blito.

What initially appears to be a blatant rear ending by Blito needs to be looked at more closely.

Normally Blito is faster through the left hander leading to the hairpin, but on this lap is slower than normal as he is following RogUK quite closely.

RogUK enters the left hander slightly quicker on this lap than on his previous lap but through the turn and out of it he stays on the brakes for longer than normal and so he is much slower on final approach to the hairpin than normal which is what catches Blito out, even though he is slower than normal at this point.

Clearly it is Blito's responsibility to avoid a collision but on the server replay Rog does brake excessively hard. What this could mean is that the server momentarily loses him as he is braking and thinks he continues to brake. Without a client replay or driver report it is not possible to be certain, but I will mitigate the Simple Rear End Shunt as I think an element of warp is involved.

  • blito (Jason Blito)warning — Marginal Rear End Shunt — also, 2 places lost for penalty points


Server replay time: 0h29m20s

Al and Blito contest Scerie and Al spins where he is tapped by Blito who could not avoid him.
JonnyO is fast approaching and takes avoiding action by driving around Al who chooses the same moment to get going again.


Server replay time: 0h33m10s

Fabio pulls alongside Fran who moves over into him.
Both spin and continue.


Server replay time: 0h39m40s

Fabio and Fran meet again as they approach Scerie.
Fran moves to the right to overtake but is straddling the centre line while Fabio sticks to the left hand side.
As they brake Fran moves further left towards fabio and is completely on his side of the track when he has a slight wobble and Fabio suffers a warp contact and is pushed off track into a spin.
The question here is whether Fran could have helped to avoid the warp contact and in fact contributed towards it by not giving Fabio enough room to which he was fully entitled by achieving the amount of overlap.

  • francesco (fran5 Molteni)penalty — Warp Incident Caused by Careless Driving — 1 place lost (plus 4 for penalty points)

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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2011, 01:11:35 PM +0100 »


No changes will be forced on you this season.


But you are free to take another car to get less boring races  Grin

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This is his second race with a superior pace...

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2011, 01:45:02 PM +0100 »

Well, if he was put in Novices and not in Pro, there must be a good reason for that? It goes to show though, that the idea of testing a driver prior to joining a division (which many were against), would help a lot in such cases.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 03:03:16 PM +0100 »

I will not race in Oulton Park due to my holidays.
But in Keimola, I'll drive another car than Lotus.

Next season, I'll be happy to race in the higher division !
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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2011, 04:05:43 PM +0100 »

But in Keimola, I'll drive another car than Lotus.

Well you are welcome to take a slower car for the final race if you like.
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2011, 10:05:13 AM +0100 »

I think we should see Dave race a few more times before condemning him to promotion.. His lap times in the recent Porsche event at Rouen were about on a par with mine (and as usual I had done next to no practice for that event) so perhaps his 65 Rouen pace is not by itself a reliable enough indicator of his overall performance.
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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2011, 11:09:35 AM +0100 »

I think we should see Dave race a few more times before condemning him to promotion..
To condemn, suggests punishment.  I'd hope that most of us race online, for close, and realistic competition, which means finding a group with a similar skill level.  It's more fun, more motivational, and gives a greater sense of achievement.  If winning is vital, you could try racing your neighbours, or perhaps their grand children, or slow the Ai down? Sad
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2011, 12:26:14 PM +0100 »

You're right about the competition part, Martin, but the purpose of competition is to have a winner, so it's about both the challenge and the winning.  Wink
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2011, 12:51:00 PM +0100 »

Agreed Hristo, and if it was only about winning, you'd find your tracks a lot quieter. Wink
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2011, 11:02:43 PM +0100 »

Before any condemn and punishments  laugh I would say for my defense I have now a certain experience of mod67 and mod65, a recent (in)experience of mod GT (as this is a recent mod) and almost no experience at all of mod 66 ...and i cannot play with mod69 : quite every time my PC crash when I try to play mod69 !   

let's finish that season (and due to my holidays I will miss the next races) and for the next season, I'll do what the UKGPL's Ecclestone decide for me  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2011, 02:19:58 PM +0100 »

Apologies but the mod for this race will not be done before Round 9 on Tuesday as I am on holiday again this week until Wednesday.

I will publish both round 8 and round 9 mods before the final race so drivers going into the final race know what the standings are (pending any appeals of course).
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2011, 10:45:58 PM +0100 »

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