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August 14, 2011, 10:10:47 PM +0100 - Sandown (1962-83) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +0.496
101.950mph
1 52:18.077
98.428mph
44 1:09.314
101.276mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:08.360
102.690mph
2 +2.653
98.345mph
44 1:08.348
102.708mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.319
102.213mph
3 +12.792
98.028mph
44 1:08.747
102.112mph
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +3.702
97.414mph
4 +1L
95.088mph
43 1:09.762
100.626mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +2.252
99.415mph
5 +2L
93.353mph
42 1:11.554
98.106mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +8.990
90.755mph
6 +5L
87.004mph
39 1:14.235
94.563mph
Disco
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +4.605
96.209mph
7 +6L
83.255mph
38 1:14.338
94.432mph
Disco
Firestone  
s2173
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.369
100.674mph
8 (+5) +9L
90.440mph
35 1:10.816
99.128mph
Disco
Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +0.774
101.540mph
9 +10L
95.711mph
34 1:09.401
101.150mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +0.240
102.331mph
10 +24L
95.030mph
20 1:09.130
101.546mph
Disco
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +2.333
99.301mph
11 +43L
82.017mph
1 1:23.882
83.688mph
Disco
Firestone  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 12 +31.515
59.945mph
1 1:51.407
63.011mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A nice clean lap one and all drivers who reset took a Stop and Go.


Server replay time: 0h02m28s

Mike T clips a haybale, spins and ends up facing backwards on the grass. He then rejoins by doing a 360 across the track. Paul and Hannah are approaching and, Paul at least, can be clearly seen. Paul has to swerve to avoid him but does not go off. It does not look like Mike was attempting to rejoin straight onto the racing line so our rules have this;

"Inconsiderate Bad Rejoin: Penalty 1 Places
The rejoining driver was in full control but nevertheless drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars. Contact was NOT made but other drivers had to take avoiding action."

However I am going to mitigate this down to a Warning purely because Mike does appear to make efforts to stay to the side and no major harm was done. He may well have decided there was enough room to rejoin without affecting the oncoming traffic but really should have waited for the cars to clear first.


Server replay time: 0h02m36s

After the above incident Paul and Hannah have passed Mike T when Paul clips a curb and spins. It all happens very quickly and Hannah does the correct thing and slows right down until the situation becomes clear. In the meantime Mike goes into the back of Hannah. Mike does not appear to slow very much and is travelling at much greater speed then Hannah at point of impact. He had time to see Paul going awry and should have slowed much more. According to the server replay the flagman is not waving yellows. This type of thing falls under the incident approach rules which have this;

"Avoidable Lack of Care: Typical Caution
The yellow flags were difficult to see. The approaching driver was unsighted because of circuit topography, other cars or bandwidth limitations (i.e. number of cars that are visible). The cars from the incident were resetting or driving unpredictably. The approaching driver slowed down but contact was made with the cars from the incident."

Whilst the yellow flags were not shown I feel a Caution is more appropriate then the next level down to reflect the fact that, notwithstanding flags, Mike could have been more cautious and slowed more then he did. It also reflects the fact that Hannah was not at fault here. Hannah, whilst not spinning, can be considered part of the incident as he had to slow.


Server replay time: 0h07m23s

At 6m54s Ross takes a solo spin finding himself facing backwards. He then drives backwards for a distance, possibly to put himself in the position of rejoining on a straight rather then a corner. Ross then goes to rejoin, but appears to struggle, and by 7m23s is spreadeagled across the track. In the meantime Hannah has come upon the incident and slows to get round Ross. Whilst doing this he is hit by Sky. There are really two aspects to look at here;

1) Is Ross to be penalised for the Rejoin? Well he actually does his best to rejoin safely although the whole process is somewhat convoluted and takes nearly 30 seconds. When he finds himself across the track and realises cars are approaching he does the right thing and waits to allow some predictability for cars trying to avoid him. The actual coming together between Hannah and Sky may be a consequence of the rejoin but is not caused by the rejoin. Accordingly I cannot find fault in what Ross did excepting, in those circumstances, perhaps a reset might have been a much simpler option. However that is easy to say with hindsight.

2) Hannah and Sky's coming together; approaching the corner the flagman is clearly waving yellows. Hannah does the right thing and slows right down to be on the safe side. He rounds the corner, see's Ross and moves right to go round him. At this point he is hit in the rear by Sky. Sky can see the yellow flag too and obviously slows to make the corner BUT when he rounds onto the straight, where he can clearly see a stricken Ross with Hannah approaching, he actually accelerates. It is not for me to put myself in Sky's mind but, perhaps, he decided there was a potential gap to make a place on Hannah. The reason is irrelevant as the fact is, despite warning flags and seeing a car lobstered across the track with another car clearly attempting to go round, instead of slowing he goes faster. That is much more serious then the incident at 2m36s. Our incident approach rules have this;

"Total Lack of Care: Penalty 3 Places
The yellow flags were clearly visible. The cars and debris from the incident were clearly visible. The cars from the incident were either stationary or moving very slowly. The approaching driver made no attempt to slow down and contact was made with the cars from the incident."
The 'incident' in this case is Ross spreadeagled and stationary across the track. Again Hannah, whilst not spinning, can be considered part of the incident as he had to slow.

The next penalty down, Blatant, would only apply if Ross had been moving. The speeding up towards an incident really means only the most severe penalty can apply.

Special mention must also go to Dave Rainier, the first driver to come across Ross having a wobbly, who did a textbook manouvre to safely avoid him. A great lesson in evasive driving.

August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100 - Sandown (1962-83) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:05.358
107.417mph
1 48:53.580
105.300mph
44 1:05.618
106.992mph
Firestone  
Beefpie
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.118
107.224mph
2 +2.620
105.206mph
44 1:05.824
106.657mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.900
105.958mph
3 +1L
103.552mph
43 1:06.426
105.690mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.117
104.047mph
4 +51.589
101.752mph
43 1:07.705
103.694mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +3.876
101.404mph
5 +3L
95.888mph
41 1:09.169
101.499mph
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.823
104.503mph
6 +37L
99.802mph
7 1:08.474
102.529mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +2.448
103.539mph
7 +38L
99.423mph
6 1:08.216
102.917mph
Disco
Firestone  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +8.169
95.483mph
8 +42L
90.280mph
2 1:13.241
95.856mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 9 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

A moderators dream; nice and clean lap one and no reported incidents. Keep these coming...

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:05.358
107.407mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA300August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100
S21GrW
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:05.618
106.981mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Honda RA300August 14, 2011, 10:57:10 PM +0100
S21GrW
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« on: August 13, 2011, 04:45:44 PM +0100 »

Apologies for the late posting. Onto our next event, Hristo leads in Works with Ronnie heading up the Privateers.

The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

Race List = IGOR
Server(s);
Works = UKGPL_Gpg
IP address = 62.195.32.131
Privateers = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 14-08-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time
Track = Sandown 68
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Works; PRO / Privateers; INT
Qualifying time = 35 minutes. Don't start until 30 mins left on clock to allow everyone to join.
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 44)
Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the Works or Privateers championship standings pages.
The track can be downloaded from : http://home.iprimus.com.au/lowe24/Sandown%201968/
Add-on’s available at : n/a

NOTE:
There was mention of problems with this track and a fix is here

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:50 pm UK Time

Reserve drivers should not join the server(s) until there are only 30 minutes of qualifying left. Please restrict chat to pit messages. Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderators reserve the right to review any incident with a particular emphasis on lap one. The aim is to review the race the following weekend so incident reports should be submitted within five days of the race (ie the following Friday). We're hopeful most incidents can be resolved amicably and recommend a days deep breath with a replay review before posting. A sorry in the forum won't be taken as an automatic admission of guilt by the moderators. There will be FULL moderation of lap one regardless of whether you submit an incident report.
The Works will run on PRO Damage and Privateers will run on Intermediate Damage with the allowance of ONE shift-R reset. No Shift-Rs are allowed in practice unless authorized by the moderator. A Shift-R (fault or not) MUST be followed by a Stop & Go. A Shift-R for tyres/fuel is not allowed. Any driver taking more then ONE Shift-R OR failing to take a Stop & Go will be disqualified from the race result.

With the token system chassis strategy will be a factor. A driver must have sufficient tokens for the chassis he drives in the race.  Any driver who does not have sufficient tokens will be disqualified from the result and his tokens will be set to zero.

Chassis costs;
Lotus 20 / Eagle 17 / Ferrari 15 / Brabham 10 / Cooper 5 / Honda 3 / BRM 0

To see your current tokens hover your mouse over your total points on the Works or Privateers championship standings pages. Ten tokens will be added when you cross the start line.

There are two 67 Championships, namely Works and Privateers. The driver split will be;

WORKS drivers
Arf Arf Arf    
Baab  
Beefpie    
Evil Clive    
Fulvio Policardi        
Tim FMG  
Hristo Itchov    
ivandjj    
John Roberts    
Rick Nauman    
Sam B    
Tom van O    
Jethro W    
Karliss (R)    
Will Tway (R)    
Goran Jonsson (R)  
   
   
   
   
   

PRIVATEERS drivers
Bernie      
Billy    
Blito    
Hannah    
Fabio L    
Mike T    
Mike (miner)    
Nigel Smith      
Ronnie P    
Ross N    
Skymole 2173    
Vosblod    
Paul (Badblood) (R)  
Steve Bird (R)  
Happy Al (R)  
PaulWBird (R)  
Martin (Maddog)  
Geoff Heard  
Dave Rainier (R)    
 
   

67 Patch: The 1.3 Release of the 67mod can be used.

NOTE: Please ensure you join the correct server, due to the way we import if you start the race on the wrong server your result will not count.

REPLAYS
Privateers server replays will be posted in the usual place after the event. Works will now be posted at http://grandprix.xs4all.nl/ . When downloading please check the timetable for other races and DO NOT download while another race is being run.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2011, 05:24:38 PM +0100 »

Afternoon...

There appears to be some kind of server update here, not entirely sure if its the right one of if the current release of the track includes the patch anyway.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2011, 05:27:10 PM +0100 »

are you confusing the two sandown tracks ?

I know of no problems with sandown 68 nor of any patch for the track other than the final version for download on the site , maybe there was a beta version before ?

the file name is "Sand68_Standard_Final.zip" so maybe there was a older version .

found here http://home.iprimus.com.au/lowe24/Sandown%201968/

i've had many races at sandown67 without a problem , who says there is a problem with this track and where ?

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 06:21:13 PM +0100 »

Stefan reported it here http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=4540&st=0
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Sandown 68 -> many freezes; problem solved with patch!

Actually I've now found the patch here so hopefully all OK once you install it... Hence now removed the note re track issues.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2011, 07:52:52 PM +0100 »

I've just installed the track fix, and things look seriously different.  The new 3do has removed most of the trackside objects, and the draw distance has been massively shortened.  :'(  It looks like a quick fix that needed something better.

The track download readme is from May '06, and the fix dates to November '06.  This suggests it's needed.  I think it's undesirable, and wish there was a Server up, and 10 drivers to test it, in it's original version.   
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2011, 08:52:09 PM +0100 »

Do we or don't we need this patch? I hope not as I have no great desire to relearn the way the track looks and drives so late on!
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 09:00:34 PM +0100 »

Just looked at this and its awful and undrivable in my view. Please can someone confirm whether we have to use this patch?Huh
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2011, 09:39:31 PM +0100 »

It's unfortunate that Paul is on holiday so we can't test it on UKGPL_3.
I will put T7_2 on a 'test' run tomorrow afternoon so you can try with and without it. All I know is GPL Racer mentioned they had issues without the patch in a league race BUT sometimes these things just happen as a one off (? server issues) and there are no further problems with the track...

Any other comments on what it looks like with the 'fix'?
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2011, 09:48:23 PM +0100 »

If the fix is essential, then I'd rather race at Rouen.  Tongue

Shame, because its a nicely made track otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2011, 10:18:29 PM +0100 »

What about Sandown 67 which JR says has no issues? I've only raced Sandown once, long ago in BREASTS I think, and there were no problems, but I don't know which version it was. It looked good though, with objects and graphics, so it couldn't have been that patched one.
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 10:21:18 PM +0100 »

Yeah, the fix is no good imo... id rather drive rouen...a track I hate...

The default track looks gorgeous tho, and it doesnt look like ot has bugs... Not so sure that it will have problems...

And, when reading that buggy track list, all the names look familiar... am i just emagining things, or we drove atleast half of them this season?  laugh
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2011, 10:22:59 PM +0100 »

Yeah, the fix is no good imo... id rather drive rouen...a track I hate...

The default track looks gorgeous tho, and it doesnt look like ot has bugs... Not so sure that it will have problems...

And, when reading that buggy track list, all the names look familiar... am i just emagining things, or we drove atleast half of them this season?  laugh

We also drove some in the past 2-3 seasons (with fatal results).  Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2011, 10:33:25 PM +0100 »

We drove this seazon Sachsenring, Adelaide, Brno, Monza10k, Brands Hatch (50 times), and i think Goodwood, Le Mans and Zeltweg too.... all on the risky list. On the other hand I dont see Sandown 67, so really, why not drive that instead?
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2011, 10:36:36 PM +0100 »

What about Sandown 67 which JR says has no issues?
I only know of only 2 Sandown versions, so assume John is referring to 'Sandown'.  The 'Steffan' link Vosblod provided, shows it too, has problems.  Without pretesting, we must assume either track is a gamble.  And when the recommended fix is used, getting lost is a gamble!  Place your bets.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2011, 10:42:06 PM +0100 »

sandown 68 i have no issue with .

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