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September 11, 2011, 10:58:10 PM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Beefpie
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:23.654
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1 49:41.529
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35 1:24.597
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Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.932
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2 +1:15.762
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35 1:25.586
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Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 2 +0.641
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3 +1:26.733
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35 1:25.018
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Firestone  
Baab
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +1.331
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4 +1L
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34 1:25.737
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Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 7 +2.702
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5 +2.616
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34 1:26.438
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Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 4 +1.341
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6 +18L
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17 1:25.995
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Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 10 +4.194
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7 +28L
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7 1:27.857
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Goodyear  
jhalli
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 8 +2.925
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8 +32L
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3 1:26.572
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Firestone  
Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.442
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9 +35L
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0 ---
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Goodyear  
john roberts
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +3.587
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DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Congratulations to Hristo on winning the Division Championship.
Nothing reported with one lap one incident (see below).


Server replay time: 0h01m08s

On lap one Art loses control spins up onto the banking then rolls back down and ends up on the track upside down.
Being lap one this is in close traffic and consequently has a knock-on (read spinning) effect on the following; Fulvio, Evil, Juha, Sam. Luckilly none of the drivers affected had to retire as a direct result of this.

However the incident is down to a pure loss of control and, as opposed to errors of judgement, we don't normally penalise for this hence it goes down as a racing incident. It would be appropriate to give a reminder to take extra care on lap one while tyres are still cold.

September 12, 2011, 11:20:59 AM +0100 - Zandvoort (1948-72) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.195
108.418mph
1 51:42.361
105.822mph
35 1:27.028
107.781mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.175
108.443mph
2 (+2) +18.334
105.201mph
35 1:26.255
108.747mph
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.788
106.458mph
3 +51.209
104.104mph
35 1:28.447
106.052mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:26.322
108.663mph
4 (+2) +1:29.543
102.854mph
35 1:26.730
108.151mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.408
106.919mph
5 +1L
102.560mph
34 1:28.538
105.943mph
Firestone  
s2173
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.085
107.314mph
6 +9.923
102.233mph
34 1:28.453
106.045mph
Goodyear  
HendyNichols
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +2.234
105.921mph
7 +1:12.307
100.229mph
34 1:28.266
106.269mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 14 +2.958
105.062mph
8 +3L
96.579mph
32 1:29.781
104.476mph
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 15 +9.092
98.308mph
9 +6L
86.357mph
29 1:36.276
97.428mph
Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.691
106.575mph
10 +26L
97.146mph
9 1:28.998
105.395mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 13 +2.605
105.480mph
11 +5.689
96.514mph
9 1:28.145
106.415mph
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 10 +2.326
105.811mph
12 +28L
101.907mph
7 1:29.683
104.590mph
Disco
Firestone  
Allan Davis
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +0.509
108.026mph
13 +29L
104.139mph
6 1:27.799
106.835mph
Disco
Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +2.475
105.634mph
14 +30L
101.187mph
5 1:29.528
104.771mph
Disco
Firestone  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 +2.581
105.508mph
16 ---
---
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 15 17 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Congratulations to Ronnie on winning the Championship.
We had a clean lap one but one issue regarding the Stop and Go rules (see below) along with a few reports.


Server replay time: 0h09m30s

Ronnie and Mike T are racing with Mike ahead. They approach the corner and yellow flags are clearly visible. As they round the corner Hannah can be seen spinning. A green flag is being shown AFTER the Hannah spin. The rules clearly say this;
"Drivers may not overtake any car they are racing with, until they are sure they have passed a green flag or they are sure they have passed the incident and the green flag has been taken in."

Accordingly the green flag was being waved but had NOT been passed, neither could drivers be sure the incident was cleared, therefore no overtake attempt against Mike should have been made.

Ronnie did attempt a pass up the inside (by this time Hannah was off the track) but he had no overlap at turn in and Mike could not have been expected to see the manouvre as there was so little time and he was probably concentrating on where Hannah was going.
Under the circumstances this was an illegal manouvre which also resulted in a collision, and this ruling must apply;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."


Server replay time: 0h09m54s

Dave R's engine is having a cigarrette so he pulls into the pits, stops then resets. He does not take a subsequent Stop and Go.
The rules state a Stop and Go must be taken AFTER a reset not before. What he should of done was pull up before the pits, reset then driven on and done his SnG.
Under the circumstances an advantage was gained and it must be treated as ignoring the SnG.

However I do not believe this is severe enough to warrant an Exclusion as perhaps he thought this was acceptable. Please note, for future, SnG's must be taken AFTER a reset and must be taken separately.
Under the circumstances a 30 second time penalty will be applied.


Server replay time: 0h19m46s

Dave, Martin and Ronnie are playing duelling banjo's and Ronnie has just squeezed into the lead. Ahead it can clearly be seen they are closing on a much slower car. Ronnie is obviously keen not to loose his lead but attempts to lap through a corner whereas he should have held back. The car being lapped, Hannah, was not doing anything wrong and not deliberately holding anyone up bearing in mind where they were on the circuit.

Ronnie goes to pass on the inside of the corner and there is contact. There are some addtional circumstances;
- Hannah appears to have been struggling through the corner although he cannot be said to have been completely out of control
- the server shows no direct contact but, at the trajectories they were on, contact was extremely likely to happen.

Technically this is what should apply;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."

However, I am going to mitigate the penalty down to a Warning due to the following;
- the driver ahead did not appear to be fully in control and hence took a slightly unpredicatable line through the corner (this is not to place any blame on Hannah)
- there is a slight element of warp in here


Server replay time: 0h30m22s

Dave R is approaching Hannah to lap him. It is clear DR is much faster and whilst attempting the pass he clips Hannah's rear right tyre. Similar to the above this was not the place to overtake and Hannah did nothing wrong and did not attempt to hold anyone up.

Again this is the rule that applies;
"Very Ambitious Overtake: Penalty 2 Places
The overtaking driver had not achieved any degree of overlap at turn-in. The overtaking driver WOULD have made the corner. Penalty for overtaking driver."
Apart from the fact it was a lapping situation, which in itself does not mean any greater risk should be taken merely the car being lapped should not hinder, I cannot find any mitigating circumstances.

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 01:21:25 PM +0100 »

And so the fabled few, arrived at their last stand, amidst the dunes at Sandfort, determined to fight the forces of reality, once more.  One last gasp for our ruling Moderators - let valour commence - let forces clash - let victims lie - 'til the sands of time sweep clean the slate.  And only the fables remain, writted here for the generations to come, to awe and inspire them, to deeds done, undone, and yet to be, done up.

Sorry 'bout that . . . Pulitzer's not 'til next year!  So, to race strategy :  my choice was either for a fast, or a docile steed for the race.  Decided my mild-mannered driving style suited the placid Cooper.  This meant being a, 'sitting Duck' down the main straight, but I hoped for better things, around the twiddly bits.

I'd recently been at Le Mans, for the 24hr's, which was sadly shortened, due to so many cars leaving the track, all at once.  Sitting inside a GT40, I'd had to move my pitboard, unsuccessfully, and my pitman was now sitting in the wrong place.  So I jumped out to give him a talking to, and returned to find my earlier laptimes hiding, and only the right half of the pitboard showing!  Soldiered on regardless to mid-grid, though close to being last, and aghast!  Amazing how closely matched we Privateers are these days!  Cheesy

My plan, for the opening melee, was to keep the track always in sight, and prosper through others misfortune . . . in the nicest sort of way, of coarse!  This worked well, and put the faster Ronnie, and Dave Rainier behind me, during the frantic action of the early laps.  I'd grabbed Michael's tail for a few, until there came a very sideways moment, which let Ronnie's Ferrari through.  It also let the Tifosi go wild, though the British Wellies, remained hopeful. Smiley

As things settled in, my pitboard foretold each lap, of an anonymous enemy, er, umm . . . friendly combatant, closing in from behind, ( David ) and another clearing off up ahead.   Along also, with rather too many laps remaining, to allow for sustaining, of a podium spot!  Thence 3 times, the evil doer . . . um, enterprising opponent, closed the gap between us, and 3 times the forces of fate, interveined to forestall him.

Luck was on my side this day, and to the valiant, went the spoils!  After a hard run and entertaining race, I certainly felt I'd earned some spoilage!  Thanks be, for an epic and well run, Season long battle.  We fabled few, of the Internuts, are now writted into history - hallowed be thy fame.  angel
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2011, 02:53:09 PM +0100 »

Pretty fun race, tho mostly ruined again... after practicing with honda and ferrari and crashing 50 times per lap with them, i decided in the last minute to go with eagle...Which was behaving marveliously, its actually a great car for twisty and bumpy tracks with its solid suspension... First 6 laps were a nice real racing and I was quite exited about it... Seems could keep up with front runners, being pretty fast at first half of the track. Ros overtook me, then messed that long lefthander, I had to slow down and got Allan in my rear... I dont know why its so attractive for people to do that...  Then i did a nice little dance and luckuly landed on my four tires. This wasn't wery good for my car, and it wasnt behaving so well after that. I found out why when i looked the mehcanical report later...

Skymole 2173 -m - spotters reporting:
medium problems with left rear tire.
minor problems with right rear tire.
severe problems with left rear suspension.
medium problems with right rear suspension.
the car has an engine problem.

It wasnt that bad actually, after the myriad alien setups i have tried... It still felt better than most of them. Had some fight with Hunt, but finnaly span, not being used with my new "setup" yet... then I keeped going, 2 seconds per lap slower and lots of spins, but managed to finish...
 
Ross, i see on my replay you were really warping badly, especially at lap 6, luckuly, on lap seven, when you overtake, theres no wrap...we were pretty close on tarsan.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2011, 03:26:29 PM +0100 »

I have tried to download the GradPrivs Zandy race but I can't open the zip file.  I used to be able to click on it to open the zip file and then drag and drop to gpl replay file but it appears to be still zipped when I do that.   Or, I get an 'ADD' box and when I complete the box the file still appears to be zipped.
  Can anyone tell me what to do?
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2011, 03:30:27 PM +0100 »

 Today at 03:26:29 PMPosted by: Allan Davis
I have tried to download the GradPrivs Zandy race but I can't open the zip file.  I used to be able to click on it to open the zip file and then drag and drop to gpl replay file but it appears to be still zipped when I do that.   Or, I get an 'ADD' box and when I complete the box the file still appears to be zipped.
Can anyone help?
 
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2011, 03:36:46 PM +0100 »

Allan, the replay is zipped up in .7z format, you need 7-zip to extract it. Download it from here-

http://www.7-zip.org/download.html
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2011, 03:37:57 PM +0100 »

Ross, i see on my replay you were really warping badly, especially at lap 6, luckuly, on lap seven, when you overtake, theres no wrap...we were pretty close on tarsan.

Sorry about that Sky, must have had a problem at my end. It's the first I've had anyone remark on it so hopefully just a one off. Thanks for giving me room at Tarzan, I enjoyed the battle.
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2011, 03:40:27 PM +0100 »

Right click on the zipfile at select "extract here" Then put the replay in gpl folder.

Also i see its 7zip... maybe you dont have the program to open it?
http://www.7-zip.org/
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2011, 04:10:15 PM +0100 »

I use WinRAR, it opens all formats.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2011, 04:15:01 PM +0100 »

Thanks for your help guys.  There are many 7z files  on the site that you recomended and I'm not sure which one to download.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2011, 04:22:08 PM +0100 »

Thanks for your help guys.  There are many 7z files  on the site that you recomended and I'm not sure which one to download.

Which version of Windows are you running? And if you are on XP or Vista, is it 32 or 64 bit?
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2011, 04:29:50 PM +0100 »

As Hristo says you could use WinRAR - it is the most flexible of all the Zip programs. You would still need to choose 32 bit or 64 and if you are not sure get the 32 bit version.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2011, 05:30:21 PM +0100 »

Thanks guys.   Used WinRAR and it works now.   Watched my mistakes.   Slapped wrist I think.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2011, 08:28:29 PM +0100 »

For me that was an unenjoyable race. I didn't really get the cooper up to speed in qual and was a long down the grid but made up for it with an amazing start.. but then on lap two I undid my great work by overshooting the hairpin. Chasing down a few guys proved I had some serious lap-time potential, but in a cooper I was bottled up round the twisties and blown away on the straight... passing was impossible... I tried once.. it wasn't going to work so backed out and had to yeild another place so just pulled over and gave up.... don't think I'll bother much with GPL next season Sad
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2011, 08:30:27 PM +0100 »

As per many of the others I would like to thank those involved in organizing and moderating (and generally making things happen).  I know there have been a few tense moments and unnecessary behavior this seasons, thanks for keeping the faith.  

Although my performance has left a lot to be desired I have enjoyed the racing this season (PSC & Grads)...also think my racecraft has moved on a touch.  I couldn't always find much time to practice, which probably won't improve much....

As for the race, I didn't better my pb but was pleased with a sub 1:25 lap for qually and rather amused to be 0.01 ahead of my mate Arf!!!!  Alas, a toilet break put paid to my start and I frantically fuelled my qual setup for the race...to the soundtrack of several thousand horsepower making a break for it!!!  I eventually started from the pits 800yds down and was expecting to pass the usual L1 aftermath, but fair play it must have been a clean start.

I passed a couple of cars and some others bit the dust in one way or another...Clive obliged me by moving off the circuit, probably due overheating tyres.  I then closed slowly on Fulvio and Arf until I lost concentration and checked out the scenery...a few times (it's rather nice!).  I finished in front of Clive, but GPL assumes I was a lap down due my pit lane start...do I get P4 or P5?

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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2011, 08:22:19 AM +0100 »

  My apologies to Ronnie for ruining his race.       

No problem on my part Allan, these things sometimes happen when racing. On that note apologies to Bernie and Mike. Final race of the season could have gone better but it was not to be. I chased hard, too hard at times but Ross was not to be caught. Congrats to Ross on a fine win and Martin on a perservering third - could be second if the mods have their way with me?

Really enjoyed this season, winning yeah, but the turnout, quality and behaviour of the drivers, choice of tracks all made this the standout 67 series. Big thanks to the organisers and mods and I look forward to seeing you again.
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