Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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« on: January 20, 2007, 09:37:48 PM +0000 » |
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Practice 1: | 20:15 | (10 mins) | full time drivers only | Practice 2: | 20:25 | (10 mins) | reserves may join too | Qual 2: | 20:35 | (20 mins) | Race: | 21:00 | (22 laps; approximately 40 minutes) | note: no warmup! | Cars allowed: any GT or G2 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.2 (see this thread) (G2 cars will not score points). Weather: Dry Track: Monza GP 2004 Race Start Time 14:00 Server: UKGTR GT Sprint Password: hereNotes:(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page. (3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above). (4) Drivers may only change cars twice in the season without penalty. (5) The race will be based on distance, not time, to avoid a premature end.(6) For this race only, the Use Of Track Surface rules are relaxed so that GTR2 will be the sole arbiter of whether a corner has been cut.
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Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 07:58:03 AM +0000 » |
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Important!In the light of the large amount of corner cutting which has happened in the Endurance Masters and NGT Sprint races, for this race only, the Use Of Track Surface rules are relaxed so that GTR2 will be the sole arbiter of whether a corner has been cut. That means that drivers have more leeway than normal to use the green painted areas as well as the curbs. The rules about giving back a place taken (or successfully defended) as the direct result of a cut (as determined by the game, for this event) remain in effect. In addition, a driver who causes an incident after losing control because of heavy use of curbs or green tarmac areas may be held accountable for that incident in circumstances which would normally be classed as a racing incident.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 03:47:58 PM +0000 » |
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So is legal?
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 04:05:25 PM +0000 » |
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If you cut too much at those corners you'll hit those yellow/black 'bumps', then you'll loose time anyway, is what I'm always thinking
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2007, 04:14:10 PM +0000 » |
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Not sure I'm too pleased about this idea...I can understand that it's difficult to police this sort of thing, and I admit myself to taking too much kerb at the second chicane at times....but I've seen some atrocious cutting in online races, especially at ascari and the first chicane. I'm sure most people will drive fairly cleanly anyway, but it opens up the possibility for a couple of drivers to win purely because they cut better than others. Locotus was penalised at Donington for cutting, now is everyone going to be rewarded for doing it? If you cut too much at those corners you'll hit those yellow/black 'bumps', then you'll loose time anyway, is what I'm always thinking They don't slow me down very much. Suspension settings maybe?
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2007, 05:00:07 PM +0000 » |
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Locotus was penalised at Donington for cutting, now is everyone going to be rewarded for doing it?
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Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2007, 06:50:11 PM +0000 » |
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So is legal? For this race (GT Sprint and Endurance Academy) only. We will discuss what to do at Hockenheim later. A cut like the one in the screen shot is clearly and unambiguously illegal under the existing SRou rules and has been since we tightened them up as the result of a GTL race at Imola last year.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2007, 07:00:58 PM +0000 » |
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I don't like this GTR2 is very relaxed with regards to corner cutting on this track. And I suck at cutting corners, always end up facing the opposite direction So now I'm at a disadvantage just because I can't cut corners As if I'm not slow enough as is Please reconsider this. Especially after the incident with locutus at Donington
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 07:02:48 PM +0000 » |
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So is legal? For this race (GT Sprint and Endurance Academy) only. We will discuss what to do at Hockenheim later. A cut like the one in the screen shot is clearly and unambiguously illegal under the existing SRou rules and has been since we tightened them up as the result of a GTL race at Imola last year. But,in your original post it said it was all up to GTR2 That cut right there won't give you a warning by GTR2 (unfortunately ) . I don't get this new rule. I suggest sticking with the original rules and don't make any special exceptions at all
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2007, 07:40:13 PM +0000 » |
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I think Dave means that by the current rules on the website it would be illegal, but for this race only the rule will be relaxed.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2007, 09:24:53 PM +0000 » |
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I don't get this new rule. I suggest sticking with the original rules and don't make any special exceptions at all
Unfortunately a whole load of drivers have been unwilling or unable to abide by the existing rules, and this has generated an enourmous volume of incidents which the moderators need to review. Rather than allow the situation to continue I made an executive decision to use GTR2's cut detection for the final two Monza races to avoid increasing this workload further. Whilst there are places at Monza where you can gain time from this, you can't gain as much as you'd think, and if you're hopping the curbs (and especially the yellow and black blocks) regularly, sooner or later you are going to get a warning from the game... and/or plant the cars firmly into the barriers or the gravel (or both). I didn't take this decision lightly and frankly I'm very disappointed that so many members have chosen to completely ignore the cutting rules, especially as some of those self same members were the ones lobbying for the rules to be brought in in the first place.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 10:40:04 PM +0000 » |
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I understand it must increase the administrative load when Monza is raced....is there no other option? Just seems like joining the bad guys instead of showing them the right way etc If there really is no other option, I guess we better all start practising kerb hopping for Sunday/Tuesday....
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2007, 11:09:51 PM +0000 » |
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I understand it must increase the administrative load when Monza is raced....is there no other option? Just seems like joining the bad guys instead of showing them the right way etc If there really is no other option, I guess we better all start practising kerb hopping for Sunday/Tuesday.... Exactly,I agree 110% with this. And I honestly can't see the problem. If people break the rules they need to get a penalty. So,there might be more workload on the admins on Monza for instance,but fortunately not all tracks are like this. I gave up racing in our Danish GTR2 league recently after finding out just how much people were corner cutting on Imola. I'm not going to race online on that track again ever. I'm not going to start kerb hopping just because of this. I'm going to drive like I always do and I'll have to accept the decision. But I strongly advise against it. I'd prefer sticking to the rules
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2007, 11:28:59 PM +0000 » |
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With all due respect, do you have any idea how much work is involved in checking every driver for cutting? 26 drivers for 80 minutes each - you do the maths and then say whether you think it reasonable for us to check!
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2007, 11:36:53 PM +0000 » |
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Definately not. It sounds like a mammouth amount of work and I can see the reasoning behind it (as I said before). I'm just trying to think of any other ways around it that wouldn't lead to huge work loads or corner cutting. Not having much luck....seems that this is the best solution. Regardless, racing has been very good as late, so gd luck all on Sunday/Tuesday
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