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January 21, 2007, 09:00:39 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 2000-present) - UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Ferrari 575 GTC (#4019) GT1 1 1:41.147
127.891mph
1 1:16:56.155
120.498mph
43 1:42.075
126.728mph
Michelin +9.0kg
JonM_uk
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 2 +0.650
127.074mph
2 +38.879
119.492mph
43 1:42.538
126.156mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Martin Steinmetz
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 575 GTC (#960012) GT1 5 +1.462
126.068mph
3 +1:12.815
118.627mph
43 1:43.041
125.540mph
Michelin +9.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 3 +0.688
127.027mph
4 +1:20.950
118.421mph
43 1:43.020
125.565mph
Michelin +10.0kg
FlyBri
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#970012) GT1 6 +1.477
126.050mph
5 +1:40.840
117.922mph
43 1:43.296
125.230mph
Michelin +17.0kg
Radius
 RS Motorsport
Saleen S7-R (#4005) GT1 7 +2.144
125.236mph
6 +1L
115.811mph
42 1:43.524
124.954mph
Pirelli +7.0kg
Paul Richards
 28CD Motorsports
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#950012) GT1 8 +2.477
124.834mph
7 +1.083
115.784mph
42 1:45.079
123.105mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740029) GT1 10 +2.829
124.411mph
8 +2L
114.077mph
41 1:45.048
123.141mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 9 +2.662
124.611mph
9 +1:02.960
112.553mph
41 1:45.331
122.810mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
BMW M3 GTR (#920001) NGT 17 +9.227
117.199mph
10 +3L
110.555mph
40 1:50.488
117.078mph
Michelin +72.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#970008) NGT 22 +9.902
116.487mph
11 +31.663
109.812mph
40 1:51.525
115.990mph
Michelin +72.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#960001) NGT 14 +8.923
117.523mph
12 +32.993
109.781mph
40 1:50.163
117.424mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4050) NGT 11 +8.606
117.862mph
13 +47.404
109.446mph
40 1:51.221
116.307mph
Michelin +50.0kg
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo (#910008) NGT 21 +9.459
116.953mph
14 +4L
108.620mph
39 1:52.177
115.316mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) NGT 24 +11.331
115.007mph
15 +2.777
108.556mph
39 1:52.032
115.465mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
Nevski
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4065) NGT 23 +9.902
116.487mph
16 +4.279
108.520mph
39 1:52.060
115.436mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Enzo
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC (#880037) NGT 12 +8.848
117.603mph
17 (+2) +27L 16 1:51.189
116.340mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
james
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 575 GTC (#980037) GT1 4 +1.251
126.328mph
Excluded +2L 41 1:43.316
125.206mph
fuel
Michelin +9.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4088) NGT 13 +8.904
117.543mph
Excluded +3L
110.065mph
40 1:50.759
116.792mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
BMW M3 GTR (#4143) NGT 16 +8.964
117.479mph
Excluded -0.170
110.069mph
40 1:50.259
117.321mph
Michelin +72.0kg
Bernie Lomax
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4062) NGT 19 +9.302
117.120mph
Excluded +16.156
109.688mph
40 1:51.661
115.848mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#970008) NGT 20 +9.336
117.084mph
Excluded +2.810
109.999mph
40 1:51.057
116.478mph
Michelin +72.0kg
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#890037) NGT 18 +9.297
117.125mph
Excluded +4L
108.651mph
39 1:51.351
116.171mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#710029) NGT 15 +8.924
117.522mph
Excluded +6L
103.267mph
37 1:51.633
115.877mph
Michelin +50.0kg

Moderator's Report

There was some corner cutting in this race. I would like to point out GTR2 is not sensitive at detecting corner cutting, but UKGTR cutting rules applied to this race, so they should be followed. Therefore I unfortunately will have to exclude some drivers and penalise others.

These 'incidents' represent the single hardest set of decisions we as moderators have ever had to make. As chief moderator I am personally very disappointed that so many drivers chose to ignore the cutting rules, which were only introduced as the result of requests from existing drivers.

  • Bernie Lomax — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 727, 1219, 2539, 2965, 3526 — excluded
  • Dan Minton — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 500, 502, 700, 726, 727, 840 — excluded
  • Enzo (enzo)caution — occaisional accidental corner cutting, eg. 358, 426, 1282, 1505 — 10.000 seconds added
  • james ([R24-7]james) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 814, 917, 1021, 1061 — excluded
  • LEUVENwarning — repeated cutting of corners, eg. 622, 1183, 1410, 1521, 1634, 1750 — 30.000 seconds added
  • mo — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 833, 1282, 3180, 3960, 4292 — excluded
  • pribeiro (PRibeiro) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 387, 429, 588, 614 — excluded
  • purdie ([R24-7]perdy450) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 841, 1155, 1403, 1605, 1629, 1744 — excluded
  • Simon Gymercaution — occaisional accidental corner cutting, eg. 2525, 3201, 4051, 3424, 3465 — 10.000 seconds added
  • Truetom — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 1290, 1332, 1445, 1490, 1627, 1826 — excluded


Server replay time: 1030s

PRibeiro is trying to go around Enzo into the first part of the Rettifilo. Enzo cuts the first part trying to defend but is unsuccessful and PR has the place as they brake for della Roggia.

PR then cuts the second part of the chicane.

I'm writing these up as cautions because any gain made would have offset against the other driver's cut.

  • Enzo (enzo)caution — accidental corner cut
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • pribeiro (PRibeiro)caution — accidental corner cut
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1061s

James cuts through the grass at the lefthander out of Variante Ascari. By doing this he can carry more speed out of the corner making a pass on Paul Richards fairly easily. James didn't give the position back.

Normally this would have been worth a 2 place penalty. It will be reduced to a caution because of his exclusion.


Server replay time: 1929s

Paul968 is following Enzo through Ascari, and takes advantage of the latter's mistake on the exit to get alongside into Parabolica.

They travel down the main straight side by side, Paul getting about 65% ahead and on the left by the time they reach the turn in point for the Rettifilo. Enzo cuts the first part of the chicane, with both left side tyres on the green concrete, which allows him to get back fully alongside Paul. who is thus compromised on the exit.

Enzo then wins the drag race to the della Roggia and regains the place.

  • Enzo (enzo)penalty — gaining advantage through corner cutting — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 2136s

Leuven gets a decent exit out of Ascari and draws almost level with PaulW, but as they continue towards Parabolica, PaulW's superior top speed moves him just clear of Leuven's nose.

At the 200 metre board, Paul, who is in the middle of the road with Leuven on the right, moves fairly sharply back to the left, right in front of Leuven, who has to duck quickly right to avoid running into the back of him under braking - there are less than two seconds between Paul's move and the braking point.

Having forced him to swerve back over the right, Paul then tries to squeeze Leuven, who is about half way alongside at the turn in point, out of a move, and instead finds himself knocked sideways and off the track.

Essentially it's a racing incident, but moving over right in front of another driver just moments before a braking zone is not a smart idea. If you don't think you can make the corner from an inside line, you have to brake earlier. Sometimes that means giving up the corner.

  • PaulWadvice — don't move over in front of something right before a braking zone

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« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2007, 10:37:54 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2007, 10:40:27 PM +0000 »

 Embarrassed   Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, a race to forget and to wipe from memory  hang, car just snapped on warm-up luckily remembered I had to rejoin in last.....oh goody! thumbdown
Utterly pathetic, an abortion of a set-up, car drove like a ruddy pogo stick (my fault just didn't find time to really get a good one)  Roll Eyes  and it just went from bad to worse tbh.  Sad

Ah well I live and learn.  Muppet.  laugh
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« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2007, 10:43:51 PM +0000 »

YAY! I finished with exploding my engine 

Wow! What a race that was, very, very hard.

I had a nightmare of a qualifying session, I just couldn't get a decent lap in, I was waaaay off my practice pace.

My race pace was better though, I had a good fight with Perdy (Perdie?) for a while until he span then tried to close down Bernie but the gap just wouldn't close but I was very consistent.

Somehow I came out just in front of Bernie though who put me under plenty of pressure for the next 5 laps or so but I gradually pulled a little away and I manged to bring it home in 6th I think.

GT drivers were extemely easy to be lapped by, nice job guys thumbup2

Congrats to Sharky on the win thumbup2
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« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2007, 10:46:35 PM +0000 »

EEEK a nightmare start but thrilling race!

P6 after a few laps, then hit curb into 2nd chicane same speed as usual but without a little throttle applied and round she goes, facing the wall! huhu Then i couldn't select reverse and remembered i mapped ignition and start buttons earlier in the day to test and didn't know how to get reverse ! lol haha what a n00b i was  Cheesy ...sitting there, waiting for the ENTIRE field to pass..finally get reverse and off i go..stone dead last behind all those battling NGT guys!

Make my way through them very professional no rush...just smooth then 20 secs behind last GT driver and now my race begins. After pitstop I'm 3 secs behind and closing...got pass Madd...then Jure and on the 2nd last lap another GREAT OVERTAKING MOVE!!! by me on Richards...he leaves a small gap while overtaking 1 lapped car after ascari and while I'm slipstreaming him he feels the need to slipstream PRbiero's M3 but i already figured hed be screwed as soon as we get to Parabolica as his on the racing line ...which is what happened and he couldn't do a thing as i put my car hard on the inside and braked late Smiley  Good fight thou dude!

So 6th place hard fought, without that huge time loss....i could def had beaten Ruskus to 4th, np!  Cheesy

Big thanks to the NGT dudes for being very predictable!!!
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« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2007, 10:46:45 PM +0000 »

I had a torrid race this eve.  Sad

Qualied a dismal last. I just dont understand why my offline setup was completely wrong online Huh I did a 1:50.8 and could do 3 flying laps offline, but in this eves qually i could only manage 1 flying lap before the tyres cooked themselves and overheated  Huh Likewise my race pace was consistently a second slower per lap...just plain odd.

Mind you, I was suffering big time with a cricked neck and it just got worse throughout practise and qually, despite me smothering it in deep heat just before the race started, and resulted in a 'ring of fire feeling' around my neck!  Shocked taz

Had a very quiet uneventful race until after i pitted with about 16 laps to go. Then had a great little battle with teamie Paul W in Bi-T (forgot how shite that thing is under braking and came very close to rear ending it more than once sweatdrop ), then we got split up by some lapping GT cars which ended our fun, so then ended up having a cracking fight with Nevarn for the last few laps until the finish line, where i got it home in front.  Tongue

Well done to the impeccable CJ, and those Fin-backed buggers Shark and Leuven I Am Not Worthy
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« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2007, 10:47:02 PM +0000 »

Good race, seemed like it took for forever for the car to start gripping so was just focused on keeping Jon at bay in start.
Lap 4 or so it finally started working, same lap he suddenly froze between the Lesmo turns, could be his car that Ruskus hit, think it dissappeared just after it froze, then i was like huh and suddenly it reappearred coming down to the Ascari complex, must have been a hicup there.
Anyway managed to spool out 8s before I planned to stop just as I was hitting traffic on lap 21 for the 2nd time. That worked perfect and after a quick splash and new tires I got out in pretty empty space and could push alot for 10 laps until the traffic situation got back to normal for a mixed field race. Just took it easy last part not taking any chances with lappings.

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« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2007, 10:50:44 PM +0000 »

So 6th place hard fought, without that huge time loss....i could def had beaten Ruskus to 4th, np!  Cheesy

 sleep1 You wish  Grin.

I did a flip and landed on my roof. Drove the whole first stint with heavy aero damage (1,5-2s per lap slower), and I still beat you big time  Tongue. Oh, and that was without using 6th gear   Grin
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« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2007, 10:54:12 PM +0000 »

Done that all by myself Jon...was trying to give you room as i was in last place and 75 laps down  Cheesy   Race started off pretty good and had a great battle with Shark probably held you up a bit Simon but it was good fun.   After my first mistake i made another then another and then a bundle more...ended up just driving around and being very curtious to all the people who were lapping me. Grin
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« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2007, 10:56:57 PM +0000 »

well not a great result but a great race  Smiley

first half of the race was amazing fun, gaining and losing positions battling with TrueTom, Bernie and Pops. Constantly slip-streaming each other down the straight and daring each other to be the last of the late braker's!!  eek

Not one exchange of paint work! ...it was quality

Was going great and I was hoping my pit strategy would help but with a spin in front of Pops...things got progressively worse!!

Great track for multi-class racing as plenty of passing spaces....grats to Simon!  Grin

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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2007, 10:57:26 PM +0000 »

Sorry I had to withdraw in qualifying. The girlfriend is pretty ill and needed my assistance. I noticed that the server was never full so I don't feel so bad that I never kept anyone out.

Could not get a clean lap in during qualification and managed 1.43.1 and know I had a wee bit more to squeeze out the car.

 Was as usual, looking forward to the race but the girlfriend is really bad and can't stop being sick.Hopefully it is nothing other than genuine illness and not....I don't even want to think or say it!

 Hopefully I will get the chance to join in during the week and next weekend.

Hope you all had good race and congratulation to the winners
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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2007, 10:57:33 PM +0000 »

That was the best race I've ever had at Monza. Really not my sort of track as it's quite a boring track with so much flat out action. Qualified with a lap that was bang on what I was doing in practice so I was pleased with that, but that only put me 8th? in class on the grid!!  Shocked

The first 7 or 8 laps was classic action with Dan Minton. Fair play to you that really was cracking. I got such a massive tow down the start finish straight every lap I could overtake easily and then you'd just power past me out of the slow stuff showing up my lengthy gearing. Running wing 1-3 was good for straight line speed and it gave me just enough in the corners to keep a hold. The M3 and 911 seemed about even on the top speed, but the tow was immense, so good job I gave 6th gear some headroom.

I had planned a cunning strategy that was either going to blow up in my face or hand me a nice position. I drove on medium tyres till lap 32 where i had taken the lead virtue of pitting last. I was throwing in reasonable laps on worn mediums but eventually I needed to pit with 11 to go. Put on softs and the 36 litres I needed to get to the end and bombed back out of the pits. Paul had grabbed an 8 second lead on me, but I soon started clawing that back with my now qualifying fuel and tyred car. With only about 4 laps left I'd caught up to about 3 seconds behind Paul but he had to pit for fuel (unlucky). Was a shame as it would have been a grand stand finish I reckon. I was just starting to day dream about coming out the final turn and slipstreaming Paul on the last lap to take the lead by a nose.  Grin

Monza is a lot easier in GTR 2 than it was in GTR 1 so made it far more possible to race closely and safely.

Well done CJ and Martin and Jon on the GT podium and to my fellow team mate Leuven for 2nd in NGT and Priberio for 3rd.

A great result for Team Shark has put us in a brilliant position to win some trophies in the Endurance Masters. Well done boys!
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2007, 11:07:51 PM +0000 »

Bit mixed for me- I'd got a decent set-up for the Bi-Turbo and was on the pace with the pack in the late teens, early twenties for the first half of the race. I'd planned to use hard tires and just refuel midway but the rears started to feel a bit wobbly so I opted to just bung medium rears on too at the stop. Late on though that meant I was getting lots of understeer on the tired fronts.
I always enjoy driving something different like the Bi-T at the faster tracks but it's a real liability because other drivers aren't anticipating the elongated braking zones the car has. Unfortunately a few cars decided to remodel the rear of the car with light taps- the Legends coachworkers are NOT happy  Grin
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2007, 11:40:43 PM +0000 »

Embarrassed   Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, a race to forget and to wipe from memory  hang, car just snapped on warm-up luckily remembered I had to rejoin in last.....oh goody! thumbdown

Quote from: The Rules
Any driver who because of a technical failure stops, or who leaves the track (either by mistake or because of a failure), is responsible for rejoining the formation lap safely.
This may mean waiting until the entire field has passed and rejoining in last place.
The driver shall not attempt to regain their original starting position.

Though from the sound of it it wouldn't have made much difference even if you had been able to rejoin slightly further up the field. laugh angel
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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2007, 12:15:01 AM +0000 »

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Running wing 1-3 was good for straight line speed and it gave me just enough in the corners to keep a hold. The M3 and 911 seemed about even on the top speed, but the tow was immense, so good job I gave 6th gear some headroom.
Bloodyhell i was running 2-7 wings....the replay of that battle is quality....Shame i Kamakazied it again about 3 laps later going into Ascari and nearly wiping everyone out. Must learn to apply the brakes properly! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2007, 12:58:46 AM +0000 »

Well, even with a 1-1 wing I couldn't keep in the slipstream of the Porsches down the straights. I guess that's the last time I drive a car with spaghetti electrics and bolognese tires at Monza.

Well, in NGT anyway.  Cheesy
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