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January 21, 2007, 09:00:39 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 2000-present) - UKGTR Season 4 Endurance Masters
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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CeeJay
 GTN Drivers Club
Ferrari 575 GTC (#4019) GT1 1 1:41.147
127.891mph
1 1:16:56.155
120.498mph
43 1:42.075
126.728mph
Michelin +9.0kg
JonM_uk
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 2 +0.650
127.074mph
2 +38.879
119.492mph
43 1:42.538
126.156mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Martin Steinmetz
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 575 GTC (#960012) GT1 5 +1.462
126.068mph
3 +1:12.815
118.627mph
43 1:43.041
125.540mph
Michelin +9.0kg
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#980001) GT1 3 +0.688
127.027mph
4 +1:20.950
118.421mph
43 1:43.020
125.565mph
Michelin +10.0kg
FlyBri
 28CD Motorsports
Ferrari 550 Maranello (#970012) GT1 6 +1.477
126.050mph
5 +1:40.840
117.922mph
43 1:43.296
125.230mph
Michelin +17.0kg
Radius
 RS Motorsport
Saleen S7-R (#4005) GT1 7 +2.144
125.236mph
6 +1L
115.811mph
42 1:43.524
124.954mph
Pirelli +7.0kg
Paul Richards
 28CD Motorsports
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#950012) GT1 8 +2.477
124.834mph
7 +1.083
115.784mph
42 1:45.079
123.105mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#740029) GT1 10 +2.829
124.411mph
8 +2L
114.077mph
41 1:45.048
123.141mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Jure
 Racin24-7
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT (#960037) GT1 9 +2.662
124.611mph
9 +1:02.960
112.553mph
41 1:45.331
122.810mph
Michelin +10.0kg
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
BMW M3 GTR (#920001) NGT 17 +9.227
117.199mph
10 +3L
110.555mph
40 1:50.488
117.078mph
Michelin +72.0kg
popabawa
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#970008) NGT 22 +9.902
116.487mph
11 +31.663
109.812mph
40 1:51.525
115.990mph
Michelin +72.0kg
LEUVEN
 Team Shark
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#960001) NGT 14 +8.923
117.523mph
12 +32.993
109.781mph
40 1:50.163
117.424mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Paul968
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#4050) NGT 11 +8.606
117.862mph
13 +47.404
109.446mph
40 1:51.221
116.307mph
Michelin +50.0kg
PaulW
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT2 Bi-turbo (#910008) NGT 21 +9.459
116.953mph
14 +4L
108.620mph
39 1:52.177
115.316mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#990008) NGT 24 +11.331
115.007mph
15 +2.777
108.556mph
39 1:52.032
115.465mph
Pirelli +50.0kg
Nevski
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4065) NGT 23 +9.902
116.487mph
16 +4.279
108.520mph
39 1:52.060
115.436mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Enzo
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 360 GTC (#880037) NGT 12 +8.848
117.603mph
17 (+2) +27L 16 1:51.189
116.340mph
unknown
Pirelli +30.0kg
james
 Racin24-7
Ferrari 575 GTC (#980037) GT1 4 +1.251
126.328mph
Excluded +2L 41 1:43.316
125.206mph
fuel
Michelin +9.0kg
mo
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS (#4088) NGT 13 +8.904
117.543mph
Excluded +3L
110.065mph
40 1:50.759
116.792mph
Dunlop +50.0kg
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
BMW M3 GTR (#4143) NGT 16 +8.964
117.479mph
Excluded -0.170
110.069mph
40 1:50.259
117.321mph
Michelin +72.0kg
Bernie Lomax
 
Ferrari 360 GTC (#4062) NGT 19 +9.302
117.120mph
Excluded +16.156
109.688mph
40 1:51.661
115.848mph
Pirelli +30.0kg
Truetom
 Legends Racing
BMW M3 GTR (#970008) NGT 20 +9.336
117.084mph
Excluded +2.810
109.999mph
40 1:51.057
116.478mph
Michelin +72.0kg
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#890037) NGT 18 +9.297
117.125mph
Excluded +4L
108.651mph
39 1:51.351
116.171mph
Michelin +50.0kg
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Porsche 996 GT3-RSR (#710029) NGT 15 +8.924
117.522mph
Excluded +6L
103.267mph
37 1:51.633
115.877mph
Michelin +50.0kg

Moderator's Report

There was some corner cutting in this race. I would like to point out GTR2 is not sensitive at detecting corner cutting, but UKGTR cutting rules applied to this race, so they should be followed. Therefore I unfortunately will have to exclude some drivers and penalise others.

These 'incidents' represent the single hardest set of decisions we as moderators have ever had to make. As chief moderator I am personally very disappointed that so many drivers chose to ignore the cutting rules, which were only introduced as the result of requests from existing drivers.

  • Bernie Lomax — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 727, 1219, 2539, 2965, 3526 — excluded
  • Dan Minton — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 500, 502, 700, 726, 727, 840 — excluded
  • Enzo (enzo)caution — occaisional accidental corner cutting, eg. 358, 426, 1282, 1505 — 10.000 seconds added
  • james ([R24-7]james) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 814, 917, 1021, 1061 — excluded
  • LEUVENwarning — repeated cutting of corners, eg. 622, 1183, 1410, 1521, 1634, 1750 — 30.000 seconds added
  • mo — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 833, 1282, 3180, 3960, 4292 — excluded
  • pribeiro (PRibeiro) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 387, 429, 588, 614 — excluded
  • purdie ([R24-7]perdy450) — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 841, 1155, 1403, 1605, 1629, 1744 — excluded
  • Simon Gymercaution — occaisional accidental corner cutting, eg. 2525, 3201, 4051, 3424, 3465 — 10.000 seconds added
  • Truetom — regular, blatant cutting of corners, eg. 1290, 1332, 1445, 1490, 1627, 1826 — excluded


Server replay time: 1030s

PRibeiro is trying to go around Enzo into the first part of the Rettifilo. Enzo cuts the first part trying to defend but is unsuccessful and PR has the place as they brake for della Roggia.

PR then cuts the second part of the chicane.

I'm writing these up as cautions because any gain made would have offset against the other driver's cut.

  • Enzo (enzo)caution — accidental corner cut
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded
  • pribeiro (PRibeiro)caution — accidental corner cut
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1061s

James cuts through the grass at the lefthander out of Variante Ascari. By doing this he can carry more speed out of the corner making a pass on Paul Richards fairly easily. James didn't give the position back.

Normally this would have been worth a 2 place penalty. It will be reduced to a caution because of his exclusion.


Server replay time: 1929s

Paul968 is following Enzo through Ascari, and takes advantage of the latter's mistake on the exit to get alongside into Parabolica.

They travel down the main straight side by side, Paul getting about 65% ahead and on the left by the time they reach the turn in point for the Rettifilo. Enzo cuts the first part of the chicane, with both left side tyres on the green concrete, which allows him to get back fully alongside Paul. who is thus compromised on the exit.

Enzo then wins the drag race to the della Roggia and regains the place.

  • Enzo (enzo)penalty — gaining advantage through corner cutting — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 2136s

Leuven gets a decent exit out of Ascari and draws almost level with PaulW, but as they continue towards Parabolica, PaulW's superior top speed moves him just clear of Leuven's nose.

At the 200 metre board, Paul, who is in the middle of the road with Leuven on the right, moves fairly sharply back to the left, right in front of Leuven, who has to duck quickly right to avoid running into the back of him under braking - there are less than two seconds between Paul's move and the braking point.

Having forced him to swerve back over the right, Paul then tries to squeeze Leuven, who is about half way alongside at the turn in point, out of a move, and instead finds himself knocked sideways and off the track.

Essentially it's a racing incident, but moving over right in front of another driver just moments before a braking zone is not a smart idea. If you don't think you can make the corner from an inside line, you have to brake earlier. Sometimes that means giving up the corner.

  • PaulWadvice — don't move over in front of something right before a braking zone

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« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2007, 01:27:55 AM +0000 »

lol my 360 was quick down the straights! i guess its how much pace you have coming off the bends, i think the little german swines were a little supprised by it!!
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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2007, 08:24:36 AM +0000 »

Well, even with a 1-1 wing I couldn't keep in the slipstream of the Porsches down the straights. I guess that's the last time I drive a car with spaghetti electrics and bolognese tires at Monza.

The RSR has a base coefficient of drag of 0.28, the 360 GTC's is 0.30.

And why have you got three forum IDs?! Roll Eyes laugh
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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2007, 10:24:53 AM +0000 »


The RSR has a base coefficient of drag of 0.28, the 360 GTC's is 0.30.

And why have you got three forum IDs?! Roll Eyes laugh

Ah that could have something to do with it. As could me dropping the max revs to the lowest value before the race.

I have three forum IDs because my original email address is no longer working, and I couldn't remember the password for my original login. So, I created a new ID with my yahoo email, but the stupid yahoo email wouldn't send me the activation link. Hence, I ended up with a third ID using the hotmail address.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2007, 10:25:19 AM +0000 »

if people are able to run 1 to 3 rear wings then there is surely something wrong with this games physics models ! Angry I cant imagine any real world team is able to run with no rear wing at a high speed track like Monza  Huh
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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2007, 10:35:57 AM +0000 »

Looks like it was a fun race. Ruskus was very unlucky - Jon's lagging car was completely invisible on the replay and Ruskus appeared to just go up! Nobodies fault, just more lovely bugs.
Congrats to the podium peeps and another mental performance from CJ. I was most envious of the guys in NGT - those battles were sooo close! Brilliant racing and much more exciting to watch than the GT's which seemed to string out a little. Glad to see the Lambo's did well  Wink
And after the worst track for an enduro, it looks like we have the best track with loads of long straights making lapping much easier for gt-ngt.
Also, well done to Radius for forgetting where reverse gear is!  Grin and to a few peeps on a great fireworks display after the finish line. Very spectacular!  Cool
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« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2007, 10:57:30 AM +0000 »

if people are able to run 1 to 3 rear wings then there is surely something wrong with this games physics models ! Angry I cant imagine any real world team is able to run with no rear wing at a high speed track like Monza  Huh

Surely if any track is suited to running with minimal rear wing it's Monza?! Rear wing 1 is not "no rear wing" - try crashing and removing it and see the difference! Tongue
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« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2007, 11:06:05 AM +0000 »

I thought that comment was odd as well. F1 cars regularly run with "tea tray" rear wings at Monza to get silly speeds down the straights. 1-1 is a bit extreme but 1-2 or 1-3 is quite believable/normal imo.
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« Reply #82 on: January 22, 2007, 11:07:49 AM +0000 »

if people are able to run 1 to 3 rear wings then there is surely something wrong with this games physics models ! Angry I cant imagine any real world team is able to run with no rear wing at a high speed track like Monza  Huh

That's only 1 or 2 notches lower than I would run in GTR 1. The fixed tyre model of GTR2 allows more control so less wing is possible to drive with. As Gizmo says, Monza is the lowest downforce circuit on the calendar and 1 rear wing doesn't mean they've taken the wing off, merely that it has the lowest angle to create added downforce.
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« Reply #83 on: January 22, 2007, 11:38:31 AM +0000 »

I really enjoyed the race - NGT was sooooo close all the way through the race, and all the way down through the field.
Paul got a nice pole lap and kept the lead with Enzo, Leuven, myself and the fast charging PRibeiro all within a couple of seconds lap after lap.
Shark was lurking a few seconds further back as well biding his time.
Had another great dice with Leuven at the start too - I made a mistake exiting Ascari that let him through and then a few laps later Leuven lost the back end entering Ascari.
Sorry Leuven - I was right behind you and just couldn't avoid clipping your rear as you scrubbed off speed.

Then Ribeiro on a short stint passed me and Enzo and Paul to take the lead and it remained close until about lap 10 where I lost it in Ascari and smashed the car. It was a pig to drive after that and I later went off in Roggia and ended facing backwards with a tricky rejoin.
Then in the stop my pitcrew forgot to fix the car and it was a real struggle to get back up to Ribeiro for a good scrap over the last few laps where we swapped position again a couple of times and had some great late braking duels into T1.

I seemed to have a dice with pretty much everyone at some stage and the standard of driving was superb.
Thanks also for the patient GT cars that caught the battling NGTs in the Lesmo corners and waited to pass under power rather then blatting through under braking.

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« Reply #84 on: January 22, 2007, 12:59:45 PM +0000 »

yeah i know Monza is a low downforce circuit Roll Eyes...but thought 1-3 seemed excessively low. However just tried a 2 rear wing out and yep, works fine. Would never have dreamt of going that low in GTR1, it would have been spin-city.  Lips Sealed   No wonder i was lagging miles behind Leuvens RSR, the only time i got near it (after he spun?), i was running a 4 or 5 rear  Embarrassed
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« Reply #85 on: January 22, 2007, 01:01:30 PM +0000 »

no lapchart?
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« Reply #86 on: January 22, 2007, 01:09:01 PM +0000 »




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« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2007, 01:09:58 PM +0000 »

Again problems with the log files Angry. It's almost no use making these lapcharts anymore as the logs are all messed up (GTR2 problem).
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« Reply #88 on: January 22, 2007, 01:15:31 PM +0000 »

Well, my bad luck in endurance events continued last night, with another possible class win slipping from my grasp in the final few laps. It was all going so well (again) up to that point, starting with a qual lap only 0.2 off my best offline timetrial and good enough for NGT pole. Taking a leaf out of Simon's book I filled the porker up to the brim with fuel, aiming for a quick late stop to make a few places. Over the first few laps I somehow managed to keep ahead of a slightly quicker Enzo, but after a while PRibeiro got past Enzo and came charging past. Given his pace I was pretty sure that he (and Enzo) were not on full tanks so I didn't fight too hard. Enzo made it past not too long after that. On lap 15 I made an error at lesmo 2 after letting a lapper past, losing me about 8 seconds and several places. I made those back again in the following laps, as Enzo went out, PRibeiro pitted and Mo and Simon both had offs. I kept going until my tyres started to feel bad, when I pitted. I was rather distracted in my stop, as a mess up with the limiter meant that I thought I'd get a stop/go. Otherwise it seemed fine, until I looked at the fuel gauge on the way out - no extra fuel had been added! I assume this is because the strategy in the setup assumes the amount you give to be the total in the tank, when I wanted it to add that amount - bugger!. After Simon finally pitted I got the NGT lead back, but I had to pit for a splash of fuel, by which time I was way down the field  Angry Even more annoying, because the race was fixed by laps instead of time, it finished much earlier than I expected, and I would almost have been able to make the original fuel last - I had 2 laps fuel left when I pitted and there were 3 laps left. I'm not sure I would have won NGT anyway, as the extra fuel would have added time in my stop, but it would still have been very close.

Despite all this though I enjoyed the race, with no chance to relax in the whole race and some great driving through the field. Congrats to CJ and Simon for the respective wins.
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« Reply #89 on: January 22, 2007, 01:21:46 PM +0000 »


Tx!
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