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  • L3 Monaco: August 23, 2007
August 23, 2007, 08:56:04 PM +0100 - Monaco (1979) - UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 1 1:49.998
67.079mph
1 39:21.791
65.607mph
21 1:50.335
66.874mph
Dunlop  
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
Austin-Healey 3000 (#200105) GTC-65 3 +1.301
66.295mph
2 +31.282
64.750mph
21 1:51.512
66.169mph
Dunlop  
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 4 +1.571
66.135mph
3 +42.469
64.448mph
21 1:52.831
65.395mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 5 +1.573
66.134mph
4 +44.046
64.406mph
21 1:52.437
65.624mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 13 +3.178
65.196mph
5 +50.160
64.243mph
21 1:52.688
65.478mph
Dunlop  
stnasky
 
Austin-Healey 3000 (#471) GTC-65 8 +2.667
65.491mph
6 +59.488
63.995mph
21 1:52.501
65.587mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 2 +0.403
66.834mph
7 +1:07.632
63.781mph
21 1:51.302
66.293mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Austin-Healey 3000 (#202914) GTC-65 7 +2.591
65.536mph
8 +1:14.286
63.607mph
21 1:52.719
65.460mph
Dunlop  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 12 +3.155
65.209mph
9 +1:16.852
63.540mph
21 1:53.096
65.242mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Mercedes 300SL (#456) GTC-65 14 +3.327
65.110mph
10 +1:22.023
63.405mph
21 1:53.412
65.060mph
Dunlop  
popabawa
 Legends Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 9 +2.936
65.335mph
11 +1:41.899
62.894mph
21 1:54.298
64.556mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 19 +6.286
63.453mph
12 +1L
61.940mph
20 1:54.811
64.267mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 16 +4.886
64.226mph
13 +6.338
61.776mph
20 1:56.513
63.328mph
Dunlop  
madmac
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#501) GTC-65 23 +10.899
61.032mph
14 +1:30.131
59.682mph
20 2:00.576
61.195mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Renault Alpine A110 (#501) GTC-65 24 +13.454
59.769mph
15 +1:41.872
59.400mph
20 2:00.339
61.315mph
Dunlop  
KL Mallender
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 25 +16.057
58.535mph
16 +2L
58.970mph
19 2:00.167
61.403mph
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 10 +3.082
65.251mph
17 +1:20.097
57.048mph
19 1:54.254
64.581mph
Dunlop  
John Kingham
 
Ferrari 275 GTB/C (#863) GTC-65 11 +3.148
65.213mph
18 +3L 18 1:52.679
65.483mph
unknown
Dunlop  
ossie
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 17 +5.097
64.109mph
19 18 1:56.450
63.363mph
engine
Dunlop  
Carl Hart
 Racin24-7
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 6 +1.643
66.092mph
20 +10L 11 1:52.897
65.357mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer
 Team Shark
Austin-Healey 3000 (#200105) GTC-65 15 +3.954
64.752mph
21 +18L 3 1:57.487
62.803mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#501) GTC-65 22 +10.784
61.090mph
22 3 2:01.544
60.707mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Oilseal
 Team Oldie Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 21 +10.114
61.431mph
23 +19L 2 2:03.832
59.585mph
unknown
Dunlop  
TinMan
 Team Oldie Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 18 +5.918
63.655mph
+21L 0 ---
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DQ
Dunlop  
Flash
 Team Pseudo Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 20 +10.041
61.468mph
0 ---
---
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 51s

After the standing start, Brian Kerrs brakes early for T1, which allows or forces Madd to make a late lunge down the inside. Brian doesn't spot Madd, and turns in on him.

Brian was in a very tricky position. Approaching the corner a Ferrari was just ahead of him on his outside, so he sensibly yielded the position. Unfortunately he was a bit too early on the brakes, and is passed on both sides. Madd's move was a bit ambitious, but he only had a split second to react to Brian's early braking and avoid contact. I'm calling this one a racing incident, it had more to do with the dangers of a standing start than any mistakes by the drivers.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 91s

Pribero brakes a little early in the middle of a pack of cars, and Madd gives him a bump. Fortunately, Pribero catches the slide quickly with an armful of opposite lock and retains his position. Pribero felt this was just a racing incident, but Madd should probably have been a bit more cautious of the close pack of cars ahead of him.

  • Madd-RIPwarning — Minor contact.
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 285s

Popabawa is a bit slow out of a corner after some contact with another car, which allows Madd to get alongside. Popa doesn't spot him, and turns in on him at the next corner, resulting in minor contact. Madd takes the position.

In mitigation, Popa wouldn't have had a good sighting of Madd in his mirror due to the angle he apporaches from.

  • popabawacaution — After losing momentum, watch for other cars taking advantage.


Server replay time: 2278s

Madd in his Austin tries to out-brake Assasino's Renault. He gets a some overlap on the inside, and Assasino turns in on him.

Madd does not really get enough overlap before the turn-in point to justify the move, and it's not clear if his car would have made the corner cleanly without the contact. Madd admitted responsibility for the contact, but Assasino requested that no penalty be applied.

  • Madd-RIPpenalty — Over ambitious passing move. — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 2284s

After the previous contact, Assasino tries to out-brake Madd into the next corner. He locks his brakes and there is contact, Assasino takes the position.

Madd requested that no penalty be applied.

  • ASSASSINO ([GS]ASSASSINO)penalty — Over ambitious passing move. — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:49.998
67.079mph
baracus250gt
Qualifying
Ferrari 275 GTB/CAugust 23, 2007, 08:56:04 PM +0100
L3
GT Legends
GTC-65
1:50.335
66.874mph
baracus250gt
Race
Ferrari 275 GTB/CAugust 23, 2007, 08:56:04 PM +0100
L3
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2007, 07:42:39 PM +0100 »

My current best time is... er... haven't even installed the track yet. laugh
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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2007, 08:02:54 PM +0100 »

Bill, I think it depends also on what you're driving - there's quite a power difference between the A110 and the others and that's a flippin big hill at the start of the lap!!

My initial times in the A110 were 2:07 and I'm now 10 secs under that  Grin
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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2007, 09:03:58 PM +0100 »

I think this had potential to be a good race.

I wasn't too displeased with the fact that I didn't get a clean quali lap in, cos even though I was 3 secs slower than my PB, the next place up was below my PB, so I was prob in the right place  Cheesy

After the start instead of giving the guys in front some space, like I was trying to do as it was so packed, people were trying to force their way through all the way to the tunnel - no patience spotted!

I thought I'd just give the guys in front some space and things would slowly spread out and then we could get in some good racing. But it seemed everyone wanted to get to the front on lap 1.

Admittedly, there were some problems with cars after the start, seemingly appearing out of thin air - lag, maybe? I dunno but I did hit 2 cars at the start who appeared like out of a magicians hat directly before T1.

Anyway - out on lap 1 again. And rather disappointed.
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2007, 09:14:45 PM +0100 »

After the start instead of giving the guys in front some space, like I was trying to do as it was so packed, people were trying to force their way through all the way to the tunnel - no patience spotted!

I thought I'd just give the guys in front some space and things would slowly spread out and then we could get in some good racing. But it seemed everyone wanted to get to the front on lap 1.

Yep. I'm sure it's not coincidence that Shark scheduled this popular but utterly devoid of any good features for actually racing venue for when he was on holiday.

Nearly didn't bother as I traditionally hate Monaco. In practice the car felt terrible, but during qualifying it started to come to me and I was really starting to enjoy it. Got way higher up the grid than I expected (probably some old GPL knowledge returning) and started very conservatively, as did about 50% of the field. Unfortunately the other 50% bumped and barged their way through the first couple of laps and it was distracting enough that I started clipping walls. The cat got worse and worse and after a big hit into the armco I looked at the time, and decided I would enjoy watching Blood Ties a lot more than driving Monarmco so I quit.

Good to see a big field.

Respect to PRibeiro for taking the 300SL, and for letting me back past during the race - I really didn't think you'd done anything to justify that. Cool

Thanks to newcomer Alex for changing out of the Team Shark Junior car immediately on request. Cool I don't think you actually got a full qualifying lap in but I hope you had a better race than me.

Backo - please make sure you turn vehicle tags/labels on during practice and qually. You drove into me and another car and probably couldn't see us but you already have a bad reputation and there's no need to make it worse like that. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2007, 09:43:38 PM +0100 »

D'oh!  Crashed out again about 3 laps from the end   Embarrassed.  To be honest I was just praying for the flag as the Ferrari's tyres seemed to have gone AWOL and I was running on the rims at the end.  The last 10 laps or so I was a sitting target for the guys behind  Kiss and it's so depressing seeing a glorious 7th place slip down to 9th or 10 or whatever it when I splattered into the armco  Sad.

Goodwood next, both virtually and in reality too  laugh
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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2007, 09:49:12 PM +0100 »

i was puted away on t1, went right back to the end, then the nightmare started since no one made it easy to pass glad i dindn´t touch anyone seriously, after spinned 3 times managed to grab a 7th place, some nice atempts to pass some drivers, hope to see it on replay and on vid Smiley

In the end, bad race i planned a podium.

Once more the qualy times get slower than the practicing times.
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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2007, 09:49:47 PM +0100 »



Respect to PRibeiro for taking the 300SL, and for letting me back past during the race - I really didn't think you'd done anything to justify that. Cool


Thank you Dave  Smiley
Well, honestly when i passed you at the pool (you run a bit wide there), i got the feel that
under my full throtle, i could forced you to lift throtle to avoid hitting the wall and therefore
you not be able to discuss the place, so, after half a lap thinking about that, i had let you pass me  Cheesy

Start was a bit odd with some cars disapearing and returning to track.....so it was strange some ppl
trying hard to take a position at first lap (i even was pushed in a midlle of a corner like GT4 way, driver
used my car to turn better)  Grin and after that i tried to be more careful wich cost me a couple of places,
to avoid some over exciting lads.  Tongue
But in a general way i liked the race and my final 9th place.
Good win Baracus.  Wink

Cheers
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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2007, 09:52:18 PM +0100 »

The start from where I was (11th I think) was a total shambles. Sad  Barging and trying to win a race on the first lap just doesn't work....a little more awareness is required to enable us to keep the excellent standing start scenario....but new folks will not be very impressed if they keep getting barged out of the race in the first couple of corners IMO.

Other than that....the race went......TERRIBLE  :'( for me.

Settled into about 10th after the start and held place reasonably well...under pressure from pRibrero I think it was made me look in the mirror at the wrong time and BUMP....busted suspension.
Pitted and got repaired then got a speeding in pit lane  Roll Eyes. That was two laps down on the top 5 or 6 by then. I stayed with it though...enough may have crashed to warrant a decent spot.  Roll Eyes

I'm looking forward to a WIDE track next week.

Congrats to winner and podium
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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2007, 09:56:30 PM +0100 »

Thanks to newcomer Alex for changing out of the Team Shark Junior car immediately on request. Cool I don't think you actually got a full qualifying lap in but I hope you had a better race than me.

Thanks for letting me participate. Finished 17th I believe, and reached my goals as a newbie: finished (yeeaahh!) and did not barge into other cars  Wink . If I got in someone's way, feel free to let me know...

A big thanks for the guys in the back which did not quit. It made my 'race' at the back worthwhile.. Oh and big cheer for the guy with the Ferrari at the back (sorry, don't remember your name).. he had a really hard time !!! ( I was too chicken to pick the Ferrari at Monaco).
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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2007, 09:59:02 PM +0100 »

BTW, excellent behavior from the guys who were loosing a lap,
everyone i caught, simply made easy overtook manouvre,
in a track like Monaco, it helped a lot, cheers guys Wink

And to the new lads: when we pass you and flash the headlights, we are just thanking you
as we cant type during race, thats the way to say THANKS Cool
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« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2007, 10:05:59 PM +0100 »


Settled into about 10th after the start and held place reasonably well...under pressure from pRibrero I think it was made me look in the mirror at the wrong time and BUMP....busted suspension.

And you were doing great Psuedo, nice driving while i followed you  Smiley
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« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2007, 10:17:22 PM +0100 »

Had a right good race! Made a great start only for the car ahead to forget to go by the looks of things causing me to loose a few places.  spent the whole race chasing mark jonzo and it was very close lap times, just he was quicker with the ferrari on the straights and made it impossible for me to get past. Eventually there was a small coming together and iwas stuck behind the accident. The next driver came round the bend and accidently ran into the back of me and it set me free. Mark was soon back on my tail returning the pressure and it was fun. Well pleased with 3rd
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« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2007, 10:18:39 PM +0100 »

 Sad Managed to sneak  a spot at the start but the got squeezed into the inside barrier with assassino in front, neither of us could really move so I just had to wait and rejoined in 20th, eventually got back up to 8th but tyres were totally gone and assassino gave me a hard time and passed me, also had a fight with John Kingham, Gizmo and Backo so at least I was kept busy !
I'll have to check the replay to make sure I didn't cause any probs though...its all a bit of a blur atm!  Cheesy
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« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2007, 10:24:18 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #59 on: August 23, 2007, 10:30:27 PM +0100 »

Had a right good race! Made a great start only for the car ahead to forget to go by the looks of things causing me to loose a few places. 

Sorry if that was me Brian!! Starting on pole is a distinct DISadvantage on this track because I couldnt see the start lights!! I had to wait until I saw cars move in my mirror before I dropped the clutch!!

Zacari got past and we had a great dice for 3 laps - tucked right up over his bumper. Going into T1 on the 3rd (or 4th?) lap he must have left his braking a fraction too late and went wide into the barrier, so then I used my V12 power to out-drag him up the hill Smiley

Had a messy few laps after this looking in the mirror too much, but sorted myself out and started driving more relaxed and flowing, which felt really good in this car. Still had many barrier scraps through the race bit nothing that didnt keep me going forward - except on penultimate lap into Rascase I braked wrong and went straight on into the barrier! Lucky my engine was OK and I did a clean last lap with max concentration so as to not throw the win away!

I love Monaco - I think you can overtake fine, but you gotta pressure the guy infront into a mistake and take it with both hands.

Thanks to all lapped traffic - as PR said, all made nice gaps so passing was not a worry at all.
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