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September 06, 2007, 08:54:58 PM +0100 - Crystal Palace - UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 1 59.658
83.776mph
1 39:21.152
82.553mph
39 59.930
83.396mph
Dunlop  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 3 +0.624
82.909mph
2 +38.628
81.224mph
39 1:00.805
82.196mph
Dunlop  
Steve Holmes
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 7 +0.795
82.675mph
3 +39.006
81.211mph
39 1:00.252
82.950mph
Dunlop  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
Alfa Romeo GTA (#202550) TC-65 D2 4 +0.660
82.860mph
4 +46.266
80.966mph
39 1:00.393
82.757mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200802) TC-65 D2 2 +0.584
82.964mph
5 +48.052
80.906mph
39 1:00.521
82.582mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Alfa Romeo GTA (#202902) TC-65 D2 6 +0.763
82.718mph
6 +56.110
80.636mph
39 1:00.432
82.703mph
Dunlop  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 8 +0.865
82.579mph
7 +1L
80.077mph
38 1:00.428
82.709mph
Dunlop  
Phil Gilliland
 
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#597) TC-65 D2 9 +0.953
82.459mph
8 +7.514
79.824mph
38 1:01.560
81.188mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 13 +1.344
81.931mph
9 (+3) +8.619
79.787mph
38 1:01.186
81.684mph
Dunlop  
Kerr
 Team Shark Junior
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200100) TC-65 D2 10 +1.030
82.354mph
10 +13.279
79.631mph
38 1:01.199
81.667mph
Dunlop  
Mr.BMW
 
Alfa Romeo GTA (#956) TC-65 D2 12 +1.267
82.034mph
11 +44.799
78.592mph
38 1:01.117
81.776mph
Dunlop  
madmac
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Alfa Romeo GTA (#958) TC-65 D2 16 +2.480
80.433mph
12 +2L
77.838mph
37 1:01.865
80.788mph
Dunlop  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Alfa Romeo GTA (#200802) TC-65 D2 5 +0.689
82.820mph
13 +5.160
77.670mph
37 1:00.841
82.147mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 
Lotus Cortina (#904) TC-65 D2 14 +1.836
81.275mph
14 +20.908
77.159mph
37 1:01.739
80.953mph
Dunlop  
KL Mallender
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Lotus Cortina (#911) TC-65 D2 19 +2.959
79.817mph
15 +47.663
76.308mph
37 1:02.809
79.573mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Austin Mini Cooper 1275S (#595) TC-65 D2 21 +3.361
79.308mph
16 +3L
75.829mph
36 1:03.110
79.194mph
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Alfa Romeo GTA (#922) TC-65 D2 18 +2.926
79.860mph
17 +10.970
75.480mph
36 1:02.732
79.671mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 
Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 17 +2.520
80.381mph
18 +5L
71.281mph
34 1:02.074
80.516mph
Dunlop  
John Kingham
 
Ford Mustang (#896) TC-65 D2 15 +1.965
81.105mph
19 +23L 16 1:02.329
80.186mph
unknown
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus Cortina (#901) TC-65 D2 11 +1.266
82.035mph
20 +25L 14 1:01.363
81.449mph
unknown
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Ford Mustang (#893) TC-65 D2 20 +3.007
79.756mph
21 +31L 8 1:02.407
80.086mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 90s

On lap one, Syd Drake misses his braking point and runs into the back of Brian Kerr, spinning him out. Syd wasn't attemting a passing move, he simply made a mistake and entered the corner too fast to take it cleanly. Drivers are expected to show extra caution on the first lap.


Server replay time: 2240s

Assassino is chasing Mark Jonzo for the final podium spot late in the race. He gets right on his bumper, and pulls to the inside before a right-hander. He doesn't get any overlap under braking, and Mark turns in for the corner. Assassino tries to force his car into a very small gap on the inside. He gets on the power earlier, and gives Mark a nudge, spinning him around. Assassino then waits for Mark to rejoin, accepting responsibility for the contact.

Assassino should have been more cautious here. I'm reducing this to a zero place penalty as he waited for Mark.


Server replay time: 2410s

Syd Drake is chasing down Phil Gilliland's mini late in the race, when he comes around to lap Adam Parle. He tries to out-brake him, but only gets a small amount of overlap. Adam turns in and there is contact.

Syd was a bit over-ambitious here, he wasn't fully alongside before turn-in and wasn't fully under control of the car, locking up badly. However, he comes close to making the move work, so I'm reducing this one to a warning. I also feel Adam could have been a bit more aware of a possible move, although he was entitled to take the racing line.

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Author Topic: UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup - Crystal Palace - Sep 6  (Read 14197 times)
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« on: September 01, 2007, 12:18:51 AM +0100 »

All members welcome.

Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (39 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Crystal Palace v1.2 (download here)
Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo, Lotus Cortina, Mini Cooper, Ford Mustang
Time of Day Setting: 20:00 (see note 5)
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
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Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.4 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page.
(5) Frame rates - Please test out your frame rate in night conditions before hand. You will be required to run with lights on. Advice on increasing frame rates with headlights on is to reduce Headlight Effects in graphics options to Low and turn down the Shadows setting (in that order of preference for highest FPS increase). If you're frame rate is too low your car will be laggy and cause problems. Please ensure you have a good frame rate before joining.

GT Legends FPS increase tips:
If you haven't already done so these .plr file tweaks will give you a big performance boost in GTL...
(The ones highlighted in bold are the worst offenders)

Data Acquisition In Race="1" ---->change value to "0"
Driver Animations="1" ---->change value to "0"
Trackside Characters="1" ---->change value to "0"
Disable All Character Anims="0" ---->change value to "1"
LOD Multiplier Multiplier="1.00250" ---->change value to "0.99000"
Arms Visible In Cockpit="1"  ---->change value to "0"
Windscreen dirt buildup="1"  ---->change value to "0"
Swaying Trees="1"  ---->change value to "0"

More settings here...
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 11:19:49 AM +0100 »

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Even with all of the tweaks suggested and running DX 7 my 64bit Athlon 3500 with 2gig ram and 256meg G-force PCI express card and a 10meg broadband cable connection will only give frame rates of 20-30. Off the line with 16 other cars offline it drops to 12. The start will be chaos! In DX 8 and DX 9 it is just unplayable. And that is with every graphic setting set at minimum and absolutely nothing running in the background.

My old Athlon 2.2 with a 512 saphire AGP card and 2gig ram wont run at anything above 6FPS.

Much as it would be nice to race at night I think a few people will just not have the equiptment for it and much of the outcome will be decided by the quality of a drivers computer and his fps rather than his driving skills.

Would we not be better off doing these night races during pre season and keeping the league races to daylight so that everybody can take part even if their computer spec is a bit lower? Just a suggestion.

Having said all that I will be there, racing for my new team, Gentleman Racers. Thanks for the invite Alex. Looking forward to racing with you.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2007, 11:55:14 AM +0100 »

What card do you have? For GTL this is probably the most important item.
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 11:58:59 AM +0100 »

The standard card with the PC G-force 6150 Le. Not the best but can't afford to upgrade it at the moment. It is fine for everyting except lighting effects. In daylight runs 70fps at Crystal Palace.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 02:38:49 PM +0100 »

Hi Guys, Can someone tell me, is it possible to setup a quick race at Crystal Palace for 39 laps? It seems to only allow me 20 laps at the moment. Also I cannot get a starting grid of 24 cars.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2007, 02:57:20 PM +0100 »

Hi

Even with all of the tweaks suggested and running DX 7 my 64bit Athlon 3500 with 2gig ram and 256meg G-force PCI express card and a 10meg broadband cable connection will only give frame rates of 20-30. Off the line with 16 other cars offline it drops to 12. The start will be chaos! In DX 8 and DX 9 it is just unplayable. And that is with every graphic setting set at minimum and absolutely nothing running in the background.

My old Athlon 2.2 with a 512 saphire AGP card and 2gig ram wont run at anything above 6FPS.

Much as it would be nice to race at night I think a few people will just not have the equiptment for it and much of the outcome will be decided by the quality of a drivers computer and his fps rather than his driving skills.

Would we not be better off doing these night races during pre season and keeping the league races to daylight so that everybody can take part even if their computer spec is a bit lower? Just a suggestion.

Having said all that I will be there, racing for my new team, Gentleman Racers. Thanks for the invite Alex. Looking forward to racing with you.

Welcome aboard MadMac! You are our top driver so all our hopes are focused on you  Grin

I am going to give it a try tonight. Night races are fun but I have heard similar stories.. fingers crossed!
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2007, 11:42:05 PM +0100 »

I cant be there  no helpsmilie

Hope you all have fun  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2007, 10:19:01 AM +0100 »

Hi

Thanks Alex.

Star driver! Me? I just race to try and finish. Will do my best though. See you Thursday.

Peter
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2007, 03:24:41 PM +0100 »

Should be a fun race! Nice short track with some alternative lines through the bends so should encourage some daring passing (not as 'daring' as the BTCC i've just been watching tho I hope! - those driving standards are pretty poor I think!).

 - did a few laps last night. Got a 59.8 best but usually 1 min dead or 1:00.1

Still got to change the car setup a bit to settle it down but I got it drifting nicely in that really fast entry right hander that tightens!! Great fun Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2007, 04:56:30 PM +0100 »

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Even with all of the tweaks suggested and running DX 7 my 64bit Athlon 3500 with 2gig ram and 256meg G-force PCI express card and a 10meg broadband cable connection will only give frame rates of 20-30. Off the line with 16 other cars offline it drops to 12. The start will be chaos! In DX 8 and DX 9 it is just unplayable. And that is with every graphic setting set at minimum and absolutely nothing running in the background.

My old Athlon 2.2 with a 512 saphire AGP card and 2gig ram wont run at anything above 6FPS.



There's something wrong there, Peter, those are crazy frame rates.  I have a 2.0GHz Athlon, Radeon 9600 Pro (absolutely ancient card  Cheesy) and 1Gig of DDR333 RAM and I get 40-45 fps night time racing at Crystal Palace with DX7, most settings on low.  At startline I get 30fps, drops to 20 when the 19 AI in front get moving and some effects are rendered.  I may increase the headlight effects from low to medium (very weird when other cars aren't lit up) and see what effect that has.  My system is so-low end its almost ridiculous, but it looks absolutely fine for racing at night - your system should completely murder mine, so something must be wrong, but I'm not sure where to start.... Huh

Tried the Cortina and the Mustang, running consistent 1:01.0s so far, Bara will be far ahead!!!

We are all going to have to be so careful at the start not to knock our headlights out  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2007, 05:12:02 PM +0100 »

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I tend to drive with my eyes wide shut anyway....so who needs headlights Grin
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2007, 05:56:32 PM +0100 »

You can easily drive this circuit without headlights. As I manage to prove every practise lap after I smash into something solid.
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2007, 06:11:30 PM +0100 »

You can easily drive this circuit without headlights. As I manage to prove every practise lap after I smash into something solid.

You'd probably stop smashing into things if you had working lights. Wink laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2007, 06:28:50 PM +0100 »

Hi

Even with all of the tweaks suggested and running DX 7 my 64bit Athlon 3500 with 2gig ram and 256meg G-force PCI express card and a 10meg broadband cable connection will only give frame rates of 20-30. Off the line with 16 other cars offline it drops to 12. The start will be chaos! In DX 8 and DX 9 it is just unplayable. And that is with every graphic setting set at minimum and absolutely nothing running in the background.

My old Athlon 2.2 with a 512 saphire AGP card and 2gig ram wont run at anything above 6FPS.

Much as it would be nice to race at night I think a few people will just not have the equiptment for it and much of the outcome will be decided by the quality of a drivers computer and his fps rather than his driving skills.

Would we not be better off doing these night races during pre season and keeping the league races to daylight so that everybody can take part even if their computer spec is a bit lower? Just a suggestion.

Having said all that I will be there, racing for my new team, Gentleman Racers. Thanks for the invite Alex. Looking forward to racing with you.

Make sure all your drivers are updated for the vid card, also sounds like there may be some processing problems there. Maybe try running it at DX9? I have an Athalon 64bit 3000 (2.0GhZ) with 1.5Gig RAM, and an NvIdia 7800 GT 256meg card. I am getting about 50 fps on this track at night with 24 cars on the track, haven't gotten a hint of slowdown yet. My graphics settings are at medium-high at DX9.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2007, 09:08:05 PM +0100 »

I did some testing and I'll get a 30-40 fps with all options on but I must admit that last year I finally was able to buy a system which was (then) in the higher classes. I sympathise with MadMac because until recently I was _always_ finetuning my system to get some recent performance.

MadMac, did you turn off all unnecessary track objects (Audience, Trees). Did you try running it in a lower resolution? And turn of the anti-aliasing stuff?

Hope this helps..  Undecided


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