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September 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100 - Hungaroring (2003-) - UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202551) GTC-TC-76 2 +0.207
80.527mph
1 40:47.962
79.300mph
22 1:50.144
80.112mph
Avon  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202905) GTC-TC-76 1 1:49.369
80.679mph
2 +3.752
79.179mph
22 1:49.974
80.236mph
Avon  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#200102) GTC-TC-76 4 +0.263
80.486mph
3 +14.040
78.848mph
22 1:49.954
80.250mph
Michelin  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#200102) GTC-TC-76 10 +0.800
80.094mph
4 +14.430
78.836mph
22 1:50.366
79.951mph
Michelin  
stnasky
 
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#853) GTC-TC-76 8 +0.761
80.122mph
5 +17.199
78.747mph
22 1:49.103
80.876mph
Goodyear  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#200870) GTC-TC-76 6 +0.679
80.182mph
6 +21.182
78.620mph
22 1:50.415
79.915mph
Avon  
Mike Hammer
 
Porsche 906 (#30) GTC-TC-76 11 +0.907
80.016mph
7 (+2) +21.966
78.595mph
22 1:50.099
80.144mph
Michelin  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 3 +0.259
80.489mph
8 +22.256
78.586mph
22 1:49.384
80.668mph
Avon  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202905) GTC-TC-76 13 +1.470
79.609mph
9 +30.417
78.327mph
22 1:50.874
79.584mph
Avon  
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
DeTomaso Pantera (#200106) GTC-TC-76 12 +1.014
79.938mph
10 +34.618
78.194mph
22 1:50.779
79.652mph
Avon  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#83) GTC-TC-76 9 +0.778
80.110mph
11 +1:01.528
77.356mph
22 1:51.001
79.493mph
Goodyear  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 5 +0.311
80.451mph
12 +1:19.766
76.798mph
22 1:50.385
79.937mph
Avon  
[POOdle]Keith
 
DeTomaso Pantera (#80) GTC-TC-76 7 +0.728
80.146mph
13 +1:33.285
76.389mph
22 1:52.039
78.757mph
Avon  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#200870) GTC-TC-76 19 +4.259
77.655mph
14 +1:45.998
76.009mph
22 1:52.734
78.271mph
Avon  
ossie
 
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 17 +3.812
77.962mph
15 +1:47.553
75.963mph
22 1:52.691
78.301mph
Avon  
Phil Gilliland
 
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 18 +3.909
77.895mph
16 +1L
75.144mph
21 1:54.811
76.855mph
Avon  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#870) GTC-TC-76 20 +5.263
76.975mph
17 +22.565
74.462mph
21 1:53.590
77.681mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 
Porsche 911 RSR 2.8 (#201216) GTC-TC-76 21 +5.497
76.818mph
18 +1:06.330
73.175mph
21 1:53.157
77.979mph
Goodyear  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#872) GTC-TC-76 24 +14.081
71.477mph
19 +2L
69.542mph
20 2:01.820
72.433mph
Avon  
KL Mallender
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#870) GTC-TC-76 20 +3L
66.306mph
19 2:00.665
73.127mph
Dunlop  
John Kingham
 
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#83) GTC-TC-76 15 +1.955
79.263mph
21 +6L 16 1:50.684
79.721mph
suspension
Goodyear  
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#81) GTC-TC-76 16 +2.801
78.665mph
22 +10L 12 1:51.494
79.142mph
unknown
Goodyear  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 14 +1.507
79.583mph
23 +15L 7 1:52.126
78.696mph
suspension
Avon  
madmac
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 22 +5.662
76.708mph
24 7 1:55.388
76.471mph
unknown
Avon  
Mr.BMW
 
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#179410) GTC-TC-76 23 +8.179
75.066mph
25 (+2) +17L 5 1:59.701
73.716mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 63s

Mike was following Syd closely around turn 1 on the first lap. Syd was defending the line into turn 2 and started to brake quite early. This seemed to catch Mike out and he tapped the rear of Syd's car sending him off track. Unfortunately Mike didn't wait for Syd to re-join as he was unaware of the incident at the time.
Great care has to be taken when following cars on lap 1, especially following a standing start as there has been no prior opportunity to assess the drivers breaking points.

  • Mike Hammerpenalty — Rear Contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 67s

Jebstone Boppman made a very late passing move on the first lap into turn 2.
Psuedo was on the racing line and fully commited to the turn when Mr BMW made an attempt up the inside from a long way back causing contact with psuedo. Also by carrying too much speed into the corner Mr BMW's momentum carried him into the rear of Ossie which caused him to spin out.

Most of the mid-field are travelling slower than normal becuase of an incdident in front. Pseudo is turning into apex when Mr.BMW comes rather late through and can't avoid slight contact with Pseudo. Still carrying more speed than those who sensibly slowed, he tags the rear of Ossie who is carefully treading through incident and spins him off

By showing a lack of care approaching an incident, Mr.BMW managed to gain some places and tag Pseudo and Ossie. He must have been aware of "something" happening up front but chose not to react accordingly.


Server replay time: 2078s

Madd Rip passes Ruskus on the straight before turn 4 and turns into the corner slightly ahead. As there is still a very small overlap of the cars, Ruskus has to take the turn narrower than normal to avoid contact. This takes him over the curbs and consequently bounces him a little wide and contact was made.

I don't see that either driver was at fault here. Madd had enough overlap to call the corner his and Ruskus did what he could to avoid contact but got an unlucky bounce off the curb. Racing incident.

With the benefit of hindsight, I feel that Ruskus could have ceded the corner, and his place, rather than risk riding the curbs and contact with Madd. However, luckily no damage was done and Madd rightfully gained the place so no penalty is necessary.

With regard any 'after race' comments made in public forum, I feel unable to make comment on them directly as I have no 'record' of them. However, I must re-iterate the importance of 'not' discussing incidents in public after a race. Any incidents should be reviewed and submitted via the incident report forms supplied with the results.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-TC-76
1:49.369
80.679mph
Madd-RIP
Qualifying
Ford Capri 3100 RSSeptember 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100
L3
GT Legends
GTC-TC-76
1:49.103
80.876mph
stnasky
Race
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0September 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100
L3
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« on: September 15, 2007, 10:03:15 AM +0100 »

All members welcome.

Special note: The starts lights are not viewable racing in the cockpit view by the pole sitter. Bonnet cam can only just see them turn green, so I recommend everyone runs with the race countdown on, in case they are on pole, so they know when to go at the start. You have been warned!

Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (22 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Hungaroring v3.1 (download here)
Cars allowed: DeTomaso Pantera, Porsche 911 RSR, Ford Capri, Porsche 906, BMW CSL, Corvette
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: STANDING

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2007, 10:24:14 AM +0100 »

Special note: The starts lights are not viewable racing in the cockpit view by the pole sitter. Bonnet cam can only just see them turn green, so I recommend everyone runs with the race countdown on, in case they are on pole, so they know when to go at the start. You have been warned!

Also, when the timer starts running you can gogogogogoooooooo.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2007, 01:44:01 PM +0100 »

Looking at the GTL rank, it's between Detomaso panthera and porsche for the best car.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2007, 02:53:26 PM +0100 »

Let's put it this way, the best times are yet to be seen. Grin
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2007, 03:23:01 PM +0100 »

Yeah, I've noticed that. I haven't been in GTL waters too long, a couple of months. I'm still very active with GPL too, and when you see a time on gplrank, you know it's real, that's pretty much the limit. But on gtlrank, there's a faster time in ukgtl races every week than posted on the rank site. Why do people don't like submitting their times on gtlrank?
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 04:53:30 PM +0100 »

Yeah, I've noticed that. I haven't been in GTL waters too long, a couple of months. I'm still very active with GPL too, and when you see a time on gplrank, you know it's real, that's pretty much the limit. But on gtlrank, there's a faster time in ukgtl races every week than posted on the rank site. Why do people don't like submitting their times on gtlrank?

It's cause when you're online, GTL often messes up the saving of your hotlap time.  It frequently assigns the time to the wrong trackname, and it also only records the fastest lap in the most recent session, usually the race, so any quicker qually laps get ignored.  You have to manually manage your career.blt if you want the laps to be accurate and many people can't be bothered, don't blame them, I keep my lap times at GTL rank correct and it can be a right pain  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 06:14:29 PM +0100 »

Well, if you're a determined "simmer" that shouldn't stop you Smiley.
I have turned that option for adding date/time at the end of a replay name, so every session gets saved. And so far I haven't had a situation where gtl assigned a lap time to a wrong track, but I guess it's early, I only have about 10 times submitted.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2007, 04:05:06 AM +0100 »

agh! Two cars with paintjobs for this race, I'll have to go with the BMW over the Panterrifying tho.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 03:58:20 PM +0100 »

I'm with you Mr BMW but i haven't even driven this track yet, so it could be a 'pick up the pieces after the race' job for me on Thursday, unless i get some praccy in  Undecided
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2007, 05:29:54 PM +0100 »

this should be a real challenge in the slip slidey 76 cars through all those technical corners  Shocked

Not raced on Hungaoring since my Geoff Hammond Gp days.

I will no doubt fly in the face of variation and race a porsche  Wink
Its in my blood dammit Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 10:06:31 AM +0100 »

I'm gonna miss this one with work commitments.  Oh well  Sad

I've driven this track a couple of times on Altbierbude, it is good, unlike F1 you can actually overtake  Wink

Hope everyone has a great race.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 09:39:03 AM +0100 »

I'll try to make it on thursday. Probably in a 906, but I have to test some before I decide. Haven't been able to attend for a bit, looking forward to racing with you guys.

Gtlrank only has (sort of) reliable lap time info for stock tracks. But even there many top times are highly suspicious, being a second or more ahead of the usual top names, Fistarol, Huttu, RFoss etc. I frequently uploaded my times and corrected them last winter, always keeping an eye on my rank competition and even doing offline hotlapping just for the sake of the rank score a few times. I wanted No1 on 1 track, any stock track. Didn't happen and then I lost interest. One reason I like the TC65 class so much is that it provides such close racing, and that is visible in gtlrank as well. If I can get within a few tenths of top times in TC65, I'm between 1,5 and 4 seconds off of TC76 times. Faster cars show the disparity in skill better, at least in this game.

I uploaded my times this week again, after a long hiatus, but I see most of the new PB's from this fall aren't included. I'm not going to correct it. I figure it's more realistic, nay, useful, to keep score of times you can repeatedly do in a race anyway, and those will eventually work their way into gtlrank, I think.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2007, 09:50:45 AM +0100 »

Haven't tried nor downloaded the track yet, but carchoice is easy....VETTE Grin. Somebody has to use it  Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 04:43:43 PM +0100 »

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SadoMasochist!  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 07:52:17 PM +0100 »

 shifty times anyone??
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