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  • L3 Hungaroring: September 20, 2007
September 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100 - Hungaroring (2003-) - UKGTL Season 3 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202551) GTC-TC-76 2 +0.207
80.527mph
1 40:47.962
79.300mph
22 1:50.144
80.112mph
Avon  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202905) GTC-TC-76 1 1:49.369
80.679mph
2 +3.752
79.179mph
22 1:49.974
80.236mph
Avon  
Jeffrey
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#200102) GTC-TC-76 4 +0.263
80.486mph
3 +14.040
78.848mph
22 1:49.954
80.250mph
Michelin  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Porsche 906 (#200102) GTC-TC-76 10 +0.800
80.094mph
4 +14.430
78.836mph
22 1:50.366
79.951mph
Michelin  
stnasky
 
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#853) GTC-TC-76 8 +0.761
80.122mph
5 +17.199
78.747mph
22 1:49.103
80.876mph
Goodyear  
Bernie Lomax
 Legends Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#200870) GTC-TC-76 6 +0.679
80.182mph
6 +21.182
78.620mph
22 1:50.415
79.915mph
Avon  
Mike Hammer
 
Porsche 906 (#30) GTC-TC-76 11 +0.907
80.016mph
7 (+2) +21.966
78.595mph
22 1:50.099
80.144mph
Michelin  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 3 +0.259
80.489mph
8 +22.256
78.586mph
22 1:49.384
80.668mph
Avon  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#202905) GTC-TC-76 13 +1.470
79.609mph
9 +30.417
78.327mph
22 1:50.874
79.584mph
Avon  
Zacari
 Team Shark Junior
DeTomaso Pantera (#200106) GTC-TC-76 12 +1.014
79.938mph
10 +34.618
78.194mph
22 1:50.779
79.652mph
Avon  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#83) GTC-TC-76 9 +0.778
80.110mph
11 +1:01.528
77.356mph
22 1:51.001
79.493mph
Goodyear  
ASSASSINO
 Ghostspeed
DeTomaso Pantera (#202552) GTC-TC-76 5 +0.311
80.451mph
12 +1:19.766
76.798mph
22 1:50.385
79.937mph
Avon  
[POOdle]Keith
 
DeTomaso Pantera (#80) GTC-TC-76 7 +0.728
80.146mph
13 +1:33.285
76.389mph
22 1:52.039
78.757mph
Avon  
Adam Parle
 Legends Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#200870) GTC-TC-76 19 +4.259
77.655mph
14 +1:45.998
76.009mph
22 1:52.734
78.271mph
Avon  
ossie
 
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 17 +3.812
77.962mph
15 +1:47.553
75.963mph
22 1:52.691
78.301mph
Avon  
Phil Gilliland
 
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 18 +3.909
77.895mph
16 +1L
75.144mph
21 1:54.811
76.855mph
Avon  
BACKO
 Team Pseudo Racing
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#870) GTC-TC-76 20 +5.263
76.975mph
17 +22.565
74.462mph
21 1:53.590
77.681mph
Dunlop  
will16v
 
Porsche 911 RSR 2.8 (#201216) GTC-TC-76 21 +5.497
76.818mph
18 +1:06.330
73.175mph
21 1:53.157
77.979mph
Goodyear  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#872) GTC-TC-76 24 +14.081
71.477mph
19 +2L
69.542mph
20 2:01.820
72.433mph
Avon  
KL Mallender
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#870) GTC-TC-76 20 +3L
66.306mph
19 2:00.665
73.127mph
Dunlop  
John Kingham
 
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#83) GTC-TC-76 15 +1.955
79.263mph
21 +6L 16 1:50.684
79.721mph
suspension
Goodyear  
purdie
 Racin24-7
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 (#81) GTC-TC-76 16 +2.801
78.665mph
22 +10L 12 1:51.494
79.142mph
unknown
Goodyear  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 14 +1.507
79.583mph
23 +15L 7 1:52.126
78.696mph
suspension
Avon  
madmac
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Capri 3100 RS (#89) GTC-TC-76 22 +5.662
76.708mph
24 7 1:55.388
76.471mph
unknown
Avon  
Mr.BMW
 
BMW CSL Schnitzer (#179410) GTC-TC-76 23 +8.179
75.066mph
25 (+2) +17L 5 1:59.701
73.716mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 63s

Mike was following Syd closely around turn 1 on the first lap. Syd was defending the line into turn 2 and started to brake quite early. This seemed to catch Mike out and he tapped the rear of Syd's car sending him off track. Unfortunately Mike didn't wait for Syd to re-join as he was unaware of the incident at the time.
Great care has to be taken when following cars on lap 1, especially following a standing start as there has been no prior opportunity to assess the drivers breaking points.

  • Mike Hammerpenalty — Rear Contact — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 67s

Jebstone Boppman made a very late passing move on the first lap into turn 2.
Psuedo was on the racing line and fully commited to the turn when Mr BMW made an attempt up the inside from a long way back causing contact with psuedo. Also by carrying too much speed into the corner Mr BMW's momentum carried him into the rear of Ossie which caused him to spin out.

Most of the mid-field are travelling slower than normal becuase of an incdident in front. Pseudo is turning into apex when Mr.BMW comes rather late through and can't avoid slight contact with Pseudo. Still carrying more speed than those who sensibly slowed, he tags the rear of Ossie who is carefully treading through incident and spins him off

By showing a lack of care approaching an incident, Mr.BMW managed to gain some places and tag Pseudo and Ossie. He must have been aware of "something" happening up front but chose not to react accordingly.


Server replay time: 2078s

Madd Rip passes Ruskus on the straight before turn 4 and turns into the corner slightly ahead. As there is still a very small overlap of the cars, Ruskus has to take the turn narrower than normal to avoid contact. This takes him over the curbs and consequently bounces him a little wide and contact was made.

I don't see that either driver was at fault here. Madd had enough overlap to call the corner his and Ruskus did what he could to avoid contact but got an unlucky bounce off the curb. Racing incident.

With the benefit of hindsight, I feel that Ruskus could have ceded the corner, and his place, rather than risk riding the curbs and contact with Madd. However, luckily no damage was done and Madd rightfully gained the place so no penalty is necessary.

With regard any 'after race' comments made in public forum, I feel unable to make comment on them directly as I have no 'record' of them. However, I must re-iterate the importance of 'not' discussing incidents in public after a race. Any incidents should be reviewed and submitted via the incident report forms supplied with the results.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-TC-76
1:49.369
80.679mph
Madd-RIP
Qualifying
Ford Capri 3100 RSSeptember 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100
L3
GT Legends
GTC-TC-76
1:49.103
80.876mph
stnasky
Race
Porsche 911 RSR 3.0September 20, 2007, 08:53:12 PM +0100
L3
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2007, 09:40:31 PM +0100 »

disaster.
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2007, 09:44:17 PM +0100 »

Rejoined in last, got back up to the last two positions, but kept spinning every lap after,

it was quite fun to see you spinning and sliding just in front of me  Cheesy (brown Capri)

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2007, 09:49:12 PM +0100 »

Well, I had a good race. Dunno what you guys were up to  Tongue Wink

Kept within a couple seconds of Lomax for the latter half of the race, and when Baracus joined us it started to get pretty intense. When you're in the middle, there's so much to look out for, it's really exhausting. But fun!

Bara overtook me and then a few lap later I was trying to take advantage of his battle with Lomax, but that Panty sure is powerful. Got beside Baracus a few times using the lighter weight and better cornering of the 906, but every time a straight opened up, woosh, back behind him I was. Really intense. Bernie went wide in the 2nd to last turn, and Bara followed him, letting me sneak past on the inside. No chance of catching Bernie, but I could just hold out my advantage over Bara to the finish line. By T1 I'd have been down a position again.

Really nice racing you guys, cheers.
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2007, 09:55:15 PM +0100 »

Was gonna take the Vette, but the fun of the Vette is unleashing it's power, which is impossible at Hungo, si I decided to go to the other side and take the 906. Loooooooooooong time since I've driven it but it was a joy Grin

Had a good start and got alongside PR, when I upshifted and the car shot to the left. Hope that didn't scare you PR.
In the first lap I overtook Assa who past me at the start. Few laps later Bara went off and I was on 3rd, behind two Capris.
I was stuck behind PR's bumper, but unable to overtake as I lost too much at the straights. Then I had Bara behind me.
He tried the impossible, outbrake a 906  Tongue.

So it was behind PR again. And again unable to overtake him.
At some point Madd went wide and PR overtook him, so I could read the Team RVS bumper for few laps, untill I could overtake him.
I was gaining on PR and right behind him when he made a small error which surprised me so I braked hard and the rear broke out, losing momentum and Madd went past.

I spun in the next to last corner when I mist my brakepoint because I wa sso close behind Madd. And I had Simon behind me trying to take my podiumplace. Luckily he didn't get it  Wink.

Very fun race, with lot's of action Grin
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2007, 09:55:36 PM +0100 »

Great battle with Baracus and Mike for the last half of the race. Felt like it was forever. Pleasure racing with you guys. baracus had me under severe pressure and even tho he was quicker never tried any moves that would have risked conact. Hats off to you mate.

My apologies to Keith - I tapped the back of you in the 2nd or 3rd turn and stuffed your race.
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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2007, 10:02:51 PM +0100 »

Wow, what a race! Grin That was probably the best GTC-76 race I've ever competed in. Non stop from start to finish and very clean and fair where I was.

Start went well, I managed to avoid some accidents on the first lap, but Carl behind me managed to power straight off the line and past me into T1. Then spent the next 11 laps doing this EVERY LAP...Carl's Pantera would dissappear down the main straight. I would then spend the first half of the lap catching up again and then the second half of the lap glued to his bumper. Without a mistake there was just no way by. I tried going round the outside once but the power, oooh the power. Cool Finally he made a mistake (unlucky for him) into the hairpin before the pits and I was through. Meanwhile MarkM had been sitting on my tail the whole time and once we got past Carl he was through past me almost straight away with a good outbrake into T1.

Oh but it wasn't over, no sir, it wasn't over. Cool As Mark slowly moved into the distance I thought, damn that's it, too fast. But when Baracus up ahead made a mistake, this put Mark right close behind him and I managed to close up again. Then with Baracus off again at T1 and into the gravel we were somehow really close and then we had a ding dong battle for the last few laps of which I somehow came out the victor and as Jeff recovered from an incident I nearly nabbed 3rd off him in his identical Team Shark 906 for a close finish and very pleasing 4th place.

Loved the circuit. It worked out perfectly with the inclusion of power cars and nimble cars together for a change as the straights weren't long enough for the power cars to have a big advantage but long enough to make the lap times pretty close. Dunno why but the FPS in the GTL version is far superior to the GTR2 one and the circuit is quite a challenge to drive, it's all about keeping the line. Once your off line it's hard to get back into the rythum for a few corners till you get your line back.

Thanks to Carl and Mark especially for an excellent race. Results to come shortly.
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2007, 10:08:35 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2007, 10:15:28 PM +0100 »



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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2007, 10:27:56 PM +0100 »

Up and down race for me but non-stop action all the way!

Really enjoyed racing with some of the guys I didn't have the pleasure of racing with that closely for a long time.

Made some misktakes early on but when I relaxed and pushed a bit more, the car felt really hooked up for about 5 or 6 laps. I was gaining big style on the ground I had lost but must have lulled myself into a false sense of security as I went in way too hot trying to pass Jeff into T1 and chewed gravel!

I must have come off there about 3 times Cheesy

Excellent race with Hammer and Bernie to the line - gutted I followed Brians mistake to loose a position to Mike on the very last lap darnit! But that was a great 3 way dice - excellent pressure soaker Brian!
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2007, 10:33:12 PM +0100 »

Great race, in all means.
I purelly miss the start, Ruskus was catching me and sudendly i saw him just
pointing on my car  Shocked ( a bit scary) but you handled very well JR  Wink
After 1st corner i waked up (with Ruskus on my rear bumper)  Tongue and follow Baracus, but his Pantera was a bit nervous, (with Ruskus on my rear bumper)  Tongue
so i thought i might have a chance to overtake him, wich happened 3 laps later.
(with Ruskus on my rear bumper)  Tongue
Madd was keeping a gap of 1.5 - 1.9 seconds in the lead. Some times i won 0.5 sec.
some times i loose 0.5 (with Ruskus on my rear bumper)  Tongue
When Madd went wide on the uphill left corner, i grabbed 1st place (with Ruskus on my rear bumper)  Tongue
and tried to be as consistent as i could, to hold the place (wich is rare, so, hard work keep it)
Sorry for my mistake at that right fast corner Ruskus, you lost a second or two with that,
avoidding hitting me, great clean driving JR, good driving also Madd-RIP  Smiley

Thank you to all backmarkers, you were very kind.  Wink

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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2007, 10:44:47 PM +0100 »

Whahaha, your posts always crack me up PR.

Grats on the fine win m8  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2007, 10:45:34 PM +0100 »

Had a really good quali which ended up with a pb too.
Made a good start and managed to get about 1-1.5 second gap which I tried to maintain as well as saving my tyres.
Then I made a mistake into T4 and went into gravel and Pribeiro and Jeff got past, well peed off tbh, pretty much had it covered up till then.
Jeff lost the back end when chasing Pribeiro and I managed to get past Jeff, then it was a case of trying to keep to the inside lines to make it as difficult as possible for him to past, by then however tyres had started to go off and the car was a pig to turn in, I was having to use the brakes more to get into the corners, my lift off oversteer just gradually got weaker, it was just washing wide in the longer corners.
Grats to Pribeiro on the win and Jeff to a hard fought 3rd. That 906 is too low, I could hardly see the thing when it was really close!
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2007, 11:08:33 PM +0100 »


Thank you to all backmarkers, you were very kind.  Wink


You're welcome!  Wink

Congrats with your victory.
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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2007, 11:30:21 PM +0100 »

Great big appologies to Madmac Embarrassed.
I lost the front end under breaking into turn 1 and ended up bouncing off the armco right into your path. I got going first but waited for you to give the place back only to misread which side you were coming past me and hitting you again putting you out. :'( Sorry mate, I honestly thought you were coming down my left side on the racing line so moved right....just at the same time as you did Embarrassed Sad. I was pretty annoyed with myself by this time and put myself out at the end of the same lap before I caused any more mayhem.
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2007, 11:49:49 PM +0100 »

That 906 is too low, I could hardly see the thing when it was really close!


Yeah, and when you're in a 906, right on the tail of a normal car, you can't see crap. You have to guess about turn in points and brake points from what you can see to the sides from a very wide angle.
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