UKGTL Season 4 GT Classics Cup - Interlagos - Dec 6

[Tibernius]

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad why don't we try P&G for next season?

I personally prefer standing starts, we just need some rules to stop massive crashes at the beggining of the race. I mean, they have standing starts in F1.

[Steve Holmes]

Need to watch the replay but I don't think the start was the major problem, although there were issues there.  There was constant barging through the slow twisties on the first lap, but then it always seemed to be exiting the final corner and accelerating up the hill where there were cars all over the place and lots of accidents happened.  So perhaps the standing start is not the major villain.  Certainly more caution at the start would be useful though.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Need to watch the replay but I don't think the start was the major problem, although there were issues there.  There was constant barging through the slow twisties on the first lap,

You have to look beyond the start itself - with a rolling start done the SRou way, the field spreads out a little more and you don't end up with a large number of cars packed into a very small length of track for the first lap or so.

[Jeffrey]

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad why don't we try P&G for next season?

Because it lost in the poll
It's incomplete
And it sucks (no funfactor) IMO.

[Simon Gymer]

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad

There's nothing particularly wrong with the damage modelling. These cars CAN take a lot more damage than your modern racing cars cause they're not so flimsey AND there's no reason to think that P&G is any more realistic. These computer games let you get away with more than you could in real life, but then you wouldn't want any little tap breaking your car would you!

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad why don't we try P&G for next season?

See: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3591.0

Besides, P&G still does not have the variety of cars available in GT Legends so the car choice would be even more restricted.

I personally prefer standing starts, we just need some rules to stop massive crashes at the beggining of the race. I mean, they have standing starts in F1.

Real F1 races are not a good comparison for online GT Legends. Completely different cars, completely different standard of drivers AND real world sensations and vision.

[Tibernius]

There's nothing particularly wrong with the damage modelling. These cars CAN take a lot more damage than your modern racing cars cause they're not so flimsey AND there's no reason to think that P&G is any more realistic. These computer games let you get away with more than you could in real life, but then you wouldn't want any little tap breaking your car would you!

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad why don't we try P&G for next season?

See: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3591.0

Besides, P&G still does not have the variety of cars available in GT Legends so the car choice would be even more restricted.

Real F1 races are not a good comparison for online GT Legends. Completely different cars, completely different standard of drivers AND real world sensations and vision.

Ok, I only mentioned the damage models because MJ mentioned it.
I said next season for P&G, not this season, and only if the damage models in GTL really are bad.
And surely if F1, GP2, F3000 etc. can manage standing starts without everyone crashing into each other then we should be able to with a bit of driver discipline.

[Wiltshire Tony]

I wouldn't change a thing. I don't think any amount of rule writing would correct what happened last night, albeit at the start line or later (I should know ). And rules require enforcing so more work for the officials.
Any change because of one race would just be a knee jerk reaction. If it happens next time and the time after then ok things need to done.
P&G has been adopted by so many as the be all and end all of Legends motor sim. It maybe but I have found it dull and lifeless. Driving it was a chore not a joy but if you say that on any other forum you get clattered by cheerleaders. I hope we never adopt it to replace GTL.
Oh and by the by. That solid white line, where the pit lane merges with the race track shouldn't be crossed if your pitting out.

[Tibernius]

No P&G then. I actually haven't tried it yet, just thought that if MJ is right and the damage models are bad then they might be better in P&G (I'm repeating myself again... )

Tony, have you filled in an Incident Report for that yet?

[psuedo]

The driver dicipline is much harder to achive and control with online racing compared to the real world. Firstly,

These computer games let you get away with more than you could in real life, but then you wouldn't want any little tap breaking your car would you!

, any 'little tap' in F1 etc usually ends up with a broken car, meaning race over, so the 'penalty' for poor driving is a lot more severe than it can be online.
And secondly, it costs nothing to get our cars repaired or replaced and repainted...real world motor sport is an expensive passtime and 'wreckers' wouldn't last very long.

As for P&G....I am experimenting with it....when its complete it could be tested properly and then the new data on it could be posted for a further poll on it's possible use at some stage.

[Wiltshire Tony]

No P&G then. I actually haven't tried it yet, just thought that if MJ is right and the damage models are bad then they might be better in P&G (I'm repeating myself again... )

Tony, have you filled in an Incident Report for that yet?

No Tibs and I won't. It was a racing incident. The other guy got away with it, I didn't. Sh1t happens.

[Tibernius]

Tony, have you filled in an Incident Report for that yet?

No Tibs and I won't. It was a racing incident. The other guy got away with it, I didn't. Sh1t happens.

Thing is from the replay it looked like he pushed you. And he needs to know not to do that, as does everyone else.
Your choice in the end though.

[Syd Drake]

I prefer standing starts. But damage can be a big factor in driver behaviour. I've been in GPL races with full or near full grids with Pro rules (no repair), and starts have gone without incidents almost every time.
For this race, I didn't see the start lights. I don't even know how to turn visual countdown or whatever it's called on. I like realistic, and that's not. I moved, when I saw other cars move. I avoided a few cars on the way to T1, to me other cars didn't disappear or anything like that. So that must have been some connection issues, or maybe just too many cars too close (almost all cars were at t1 at that moment). I was around 15th exiting senna s, and about 8th crossing the line at the end of lap1. It was real demolition derby in the first couple of laps. Then I had a some close battles with a Capri, Porsche 906 and I think Vette (don't know names, just pitboard for me) for a couple of laps, when a side by side contact with capri put me off at t3. Lost 10 seconds, and was back in 11th or so. Got back to 7th by people mostly spinning in front of me. After that had a lonely race for the last 10 or so laps with no one within sight in front or behind. I did have one incident with a backmarker. I caught up with him at t1. Then it looked like like he was going wide through t2, so I thought he was letting me through. I moved to the inside, but on the exit he moved to the left as well. I tried to avoid him, but had too much speed, and ran into the back of his car. It was a yellow car I think, don't know who it was. That 7th was my second best result in ukgtl.
As for P&G, I would be more receptive of it if it was a mod for GTL. I don't even have GTR2, so that eliminates it right there. It's a completely different game. and I think we should stick to GTL.

[Lee.]

contact is always going to happen in online races. you just have to make people get the right attitude. race fair and know the rules. if people make mistakes that ruin other peoples races, they should be told what they done wrong so they know for next time but if they dont take it onboard and race after race they do similar mistakes they should be booted/banned whatever.

im always over cautious at the fist corner, sometimes me braking to avoid someone, i get hit from behind and taken out. but its not every race. so take the good with the bad. thats what makes it so fun.

i prefer standing starts because im quite good at them    but i wouldnt have a problem with a rollin start.

ive gotta say also that the guys that race here r some of the fairest around.

[Simon Gymer]

P.S. Don't think I said it before but very well done Priberio. You showed great composure and pace to win that race and it was a pleasure as always racing with you (if only I could have kept you behind for longer ).

[[POOdle]Keith]

I was slow but I enjoyed the race all the same.

Had a good start…well more like some dudes in front had awful starts…managed to get into p7 coming to the end of lap 1, got tapped on the rear quarter that caused me to spin but I come out relatively OK…lost a few places I guess.
Had some battles with faster drives – I was kinda under-driving the vette I just want minimise my errors and get to the end a one piece – especially as i didn’t particularly enjoy the Interlagos track.

** As for the coming together a few laps before and ‘unceremoniously’ pushing Steve off the track in T2, check yer replay Steve so what was that bump up the arse I got from you into T1 all about then? I knew you wasnt gonna wait if I had gone off….i just managed to keep the Vette on the track…straighten the big dude up…wham open the throttle and nail your ass into T2 (we both went wide...but what the hell after T1). In the end there was no way you would of passed me without the bumping   - on the last corner of the last lap your mission was successful, grats**

As for Ruskus coming second in the vette – wow, bloody fantastic result – great driving (impressive during quail too). …and grats also to Pribeiro & Simon.