UKGTL Season 4 GT Classics Cup - Kyalami (1979) - Jan 31

[Wiltshire Tony]

Ruskus, as long as we know which car to let by in the race

[BillThomas]

All is well.

Glad to see you back Bill.

It was lonely at the back of the grid 

Thanks - it all depends on my ISP sorting out my connection.  Seemed fine last night ping of 29 to 30 even at 2115 when it's been absolute crap - around 200 with 10 to 12 errors in 10 samples.  Hence all my lag and exits from qualifying.  Today not too good ping of about 70 - par for time of day, see what it's like tonight. 

It's very difficult to drive with all my fingers and legs crossed. 

Bill

[Mark J]

anyone getting any joy with the GT40 around here?

I cant see how its competitive compared to the 76 cars with their much better grip and handling 
I cant break below 1:30 in the GT40 but im doing 1:27 mid in the 911

It would have made a great track for a GT40 only race, even though it understeers like the QE2.

[Mr_B.A.Baracus]

I don't know if it's just because I was driving the radicals in race for ages, but I had a go on this yesterday and thought the cars understeered alot more than I was expecting. What's the best things to change in the setup for less understeer and some controllable oversteer? I tried a few things but thought I'd ask the 'know it alls' experts!

[Mark J]

guess the first thing to do to tame the understeer would be to soften the front and stiffen the rear of the car through either the anti-roll bars or the springs or both.
Unless its a bumpy track, you could lower the fronts bump and rebound dampers to 1 too.

Diff wise, lower the power setting to bring in some 'lift-off throttle' oversteer, which will help turn the nose in.

[Mr_B.A.Baracus]

Thanks, I tried lowering the power diff but I was wondering whether it is best to increase or decrease the coast diff? I would have thought decreasing this would give more lift off oversteer too - is that right?

[Jeffrey]

Thanks, I tried lowering the power diff but I was wondering whether it is best to increase or decrease the coast diff? I would have thought decreasing this would give more lift off oversteer too - is that right?

Yes. Low coast gives lift off oversteer and better turn in. It makes braking more unstable tho. Power gives positive throttle understeer. I usually run around P40 C20.

Also increase caster for better turn in, and make the difference in ride height bigger (rear higher).

[ginsters sponsored]

anyone getting any joy with the GT40 around here?
I cant see how its competitive compared to the 76 cars with their much better grip and handling 
I cant break below 1:30 in the GT40 but im doing 1:27 mid in the 911

Not sure joy is the right word No matter what I do the GT40 remains allergic to corners, especially ruddy T2. Still, its a challenge alright and sure enough my best of low 29's isn't gonna get me near sharp end of grid. I'll have some fun if others take it though. How can you resist the chance to take the GT off the clock?

Nice track by the way

[Mr.BMW]

Looks like I might not make it for the last race in my BMW

Power supply on PC is F'ed and it won't boot.

I'm gonna try to move GTL over to my other PC in the home, I just have to make sure I have all the right files argghgh

[mr_oily]

Jeb good luck with the move mate, that's a sh1tter about ya power supply, hope you can make it for the season finale..

Jeff, Baracus etc, when you're setting up your cars for a new track, what's the first thing you look for setup wise...do you do it with trailbraking in mind? I mess with settings and have a vague understanding of what stuff does in the setup screens but I think i'm just compensating to make it easier for me to go around with a slow driving style.

A bit vague this I know but I'd really appreciate some direction on what to practice for next season, just some pointers on what you guys look for in good setups mainly.

Right now i'm kind of looking for a responsive turn in and finely balanced/ twitchy rear  ( ) under braking, so when I turn in, i'm trying to blend out of the brakes onto the throttle with a bit of weight shift. I get the feeling I often carry too much speed in on entry and although I try to keep it smooth, it doesn't look or feel as effortless as when i watch you aliens. And I can't accept the  alien thing 

Might be worthy of a separate thread this....

Cheers,

J

[Mark J]

one thing i have to discipline myself with in GTL racing is braking a lot earlier than you'd think to get the angle/line better for the apex and for a faster exit. Its hard initially, when i spend most race time with the better braking modern GT's. But if you try late braking in most of the GTL cars (unless your an alien) then the car just gets all out of shape and you either lose more time than necessary or end up in a spin.

[Jeffrey]

Jeff, Baracus etc, when you're setting up your cars for a new track, what's the first thing you look for setup wise...do you do it with trailbraking in mind? I mess with settings and have a vague understanding of what stuff does in the setup screens but I think i'm just compensating to make it easier for me to go around with a slow driving style.

A bit vague this I know but I'd really appreciate some direction on what to practice for next season, just some pointers on what you guys look for in good setups mainly.

Simple...oversteer  .

Use steering lock between 30-34,5.
Brake bias as much to the rear as possible, that you get a slight twitchy ass.
Maximum caster
Quite a lot of camber
Soft front and hard rear (the way FreQ likes it for real  )
Low coast (around 20) and not too high power (around 40).
And ofcourse, but this is not a setup tweak, use manual clutch to get better braking and accelerating.

[Tibernius]

Looks like I might not make it for the last race in my BMW

Power supply on PC is F'ed and it won't boot.

I'm gonna try to move GTL over to my other PC in the home, I just have to make sure I have all the right files argghgh

This PC wouldn't load a while ago, it just switched itself off as soon as it was switched on. Turned out the motherboard had fried.
As long as it's only the PSU it's cheap enough to replace. Bad timing though.

[Steve Holmes]

Interesting stuff, and as relevant to the Schnitzer BMW as to the GT40.  They both understeer like pigs.  I'm just discovering the joys of higher steering lock.  Was in a race at Sebring in the Beemer last night and a change of lock from 20 to 22 made the car feel much more positive.  Much higher steering lock may take a bit of getting used to, but I'm going to try a lock value more like Jeff's tonight.  Beware the Legends beemer careering off track in practice   

Gotta try something, I'm stuck sneaking just below 1:28 in the big barge.

[Tibernius]

Beware the Legends beemer careering off track in practice   

Along with the Team Prodigy Beamer as well.

I usually run with about 18^o of steering lock, I think I'm using more on the BMW though.