UKGTR Season 8 Upper Sprint (GT1) - Monza (GP 2000-present) - Jul 29

[Madd-RIP]

  TT I was running 1-2 wing settings so the chicanes were a bit iffy  (as I spun, too iffy!) sometimes, but I use Motec hell of a lot and found a setup that I could drive comfortably, it is an interesting point Simon made about front wing settings and ride height, thats something I will investigate through Motec.
I'm no expert but from what you've described TT sounds like a real handful, do you use Motec a lot?

PS I was also driving like a maddman 

[Truetom]

TT I was running 1-2 wing settings so the chicanes were a bit iffy  (as I spun, too iffy!) sometimes, but I use Motec hell of a lot and found a setup that I could drive comfortably, it is an interesting point Simon made about front wing settings and ride height, thats something I will investigate through Motec.
I'm no expert but from what you've described TT sounds like a real handful, do you use Motec a lot?

PS I was also driving like a maddman 

Yeah, Madd, you were quick, couldn't hold your pace, no way.  I guess that also comes from setup stability as if the car is snappy and unrecoverable you're not going anywhere near THE limit and you end up a slow coward.    Really, I was afraid to find the real limit, just the opposite of Lister in Super Enduro where I found the limit during the race and got away with it. 

[Madd-RIP]

Do you use Motec?

[Mark J]

I was running 2-4 in the F550. I just hate the 1 on the front splitter. It doesn't give me any straight line speed advantage worth having to how much slower it makes me in the corners. Same goes from anything below 4 on the rear. I just find the 0.2 I make on the straights isn't enough compared to how much I lose in the corners. Plus higher downforce makes for a more stable easier race car.

Damn, i was thinking exact same about wing settings when the car was really struggling in qually with poor understeer and tippy toe nature through a lot of the corners. It felt like the 1 front was reason  for understeer and i just kept dialling out front ARB and spring rate with no joy.
But i assumed that 2 front and any higher rear would kill me on the straights here, knowing others were running 1-2 etc. Unfortunately i never got a chance to try it out before the race. In hindsight it makes more sense with the MC12 as it generally needs more wing than other GT cars at other tracks.
What wing setting were you other Mc12 pilots using? i had 1-3.
The problem, as always, with limited praccy time was i never got chance to try many variables other than springs and arbs and when i tried exact same setup on previous night 'online' i was getting 1:44's so didnt think it was too terrible, but that equated into 1:46's last night 

[psuedo]

Its a balancing act imo.

to me, it would be totally pointless running a splitter 2 with a low (1-4) rear wing. That would give you maximum available front downforce and obviously much less at the rear creating a potentially very oversteering vehicle in fast turns because the front would be 'heavy' and the rear 'light'. You would need to compensate for this with spring/suspension settings etc. which will then adversly effect the 'mechanical grip' required for slower corners.

[Truetom]

Its a balancing act imo.

to me, it would be totally pointless running a splitter 2 with a low (1-4) rear wing. That would give you maximum available front downforce and obviously much less at the rear creating a potentially very oversteering vehicle in fast turns because the front would be 'heavy' and the rear 'light'. You would need to compensate for this with spring/suspension settings etc. which will then adversly effect the 'mechanical grip' required for slower corners.

That's the exact reason why I didn't go with 2 splitter. The front end didn't need more grip, if anything it was planted too much and the rear need more downforce. Though now I think it would really need more mechanical grip for slow corners. I think I tried most of the things I learned during these seasons and none of them really worked. It must be my driving the nature of the car then, my driving style not being very compatibile with this car.

I notice over at r2p that the really fast guys win with "lesser" car with no sweat, seems like they adapt to the nature of the car while us mortals can do this only partially (I drank 3 beers today, it doesn't show, does it?  ).

[Simon Gymer]

That's why I don't go below 4 when running 2 front splitter.

[psuedo]

I tend to concentrate much more on getting the mechanical grip right (or as best as I can) and 'ignore' the downforces when starting to develop a setup. Once I can get round the slower (less than 80mph) turns in a stable way, I then move on to the faster turns and adjust the downforces to suit.

Imo, these are not F1 cars that rely on about 75% downforce 25% mechanical but roadcars with 75% mechanical and some addon aerodynamics adding 25% downforce.

[Simon Gymer]

Completely agree with you Pseudo, however, Monza is unusual in that it requires fiddling with downforce more than any other circuit. I generally have downforce between 8 and 10 everywhere else so very minimal fiddling.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

(I drank 3 beers today, it doesn't show, does it?  ).

Damn you, I've only had two and a half!

[Reign Man]

I made the mistake of going with low wing with the MC12, it was just so unstable once the car got slightly unsettled on the kerbs.

I had 1-4, I decided to chance it even though, like SBG said that, the MC12 needs high wing, I wanted to be competative on the straights. It didn't work. I was killed on the straights by the 550's of simon and RR. I had a quite stiff setup as well, so i need to look at softening things up. It was however good with low fuel and soft tyres over one lap.

I think ill be going with 2-8 for the enduro as just before I crashe out the rear end started to go loose on me. Normally I can keep it under control throughout the stint but it started to get quite bad. (I think that was due to the stiff setup I had, where I normally have it very soft).

I did get a guite good time though 43.9 so Im worried about changing things and not being able to match that race pace  

I dont like this track at all  

[Madd-RIP]

I've normally found that once I've got the suspension set to how I like it, I start to play a little with the rear wing, brake bias and rear ARB, I use these settings to alter how the car turns in, the setup I had last night was almost there tbh, I could have done with a little more time on it but I've been too busy the last week.
One setting I pay particular attention to in Motec is the weight transfer, very good for getting the ride heights correct.
I may try a 2 front wing just out of curiosity even though I can't do the enduro because of work  .

[purdie]

this is exactly why i donald ducked up sats silverstone race! 

went for low downforce cos i thought it was a low downforce/high speed track and it was a high downforce high speed track..... (did that make sense ) 

[Jeffrey]

..... (did that make sense ) 

Are you from Venus?

[Steve Holmes]

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