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August 21, 2008, 08:57:25 PM +0100 - Oulton Park (Island) - UKGTL Season 6 Season 6 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team		 Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing		 Ford Mustang (#892) TC-65 D2 3 +0.055
80.829mph		 1 38:10.386
79.442mph		 23 1:38.292
80.485mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS		 Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 1 1:37.818
80.875mph		 2 +1.161
79.402mph		 23 1:37.948
80.767mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers		 Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 2 +0.032
80.848mph		 3 +4.553
79.285mph		 23 1:38.329
80.454mph
Dunlop  
GardO
 		 Ford Mustang (#896) TC-65 D2 8 +1.071
79.999mph		 4 +16.520
78.873mph		 23 1:38.972
79.932mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Legends Racing		 Ford Falcon (#200803) TC-65 D2 9 +1.112
79.966mph		 5 +18.522
78.805mph		 23 1:38.714
80.141mph
Dunlop  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed		 Ford Mustang (#896) TC-65 D2 4 +0.064
80.822mph		 6 +20.417
78.740mph		 23 1:38.302
80.477mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing		 Lotus Cortina (#205702) TC-65 D2 6 +0.304
80.624mph		 7 +28.542
78.464mph		 23 1:38.233
80.533mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed		 Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 11 +1.240
79.862mph		 8 +28.933
78.451mph		 23 1:39.455
79.544mph
Dunlop  
stnasky
 Team RVS		 Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 5 +0.296
80.631mph		 9 +29.655
78.427mph		 23 1:38.708
80.146mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers		 Ford Falcon (#825) TC-65 D2 10 +1.140
79.943mph		 10 +1:10.569
77.068mph		 23 1:39.203
79.746mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing		 Lotus Cortina (#201421) TC-65 D2 16 +2.033
79.228mph		 11 +1:19.036
76.792mph		 23 1:40.280
78.889mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers		 Lotus Cortina (#913) TC-65 D2 12 +1.577
79.592mph		 12 +1:19.226
76.786mph		 23 1:39.724
79.329mph
Dunlop  
evert blommert
 Dutch Turtles		 Lotus Cortina (#961) TC-65 D2 18 +2.468
78.884mph		 13 (+2) +1:35.460
76.264mph		 23 1:40.780
78.498mph
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing		 Lotus Cortina (#205702) TC-65 D2 14 +1.705
79.489mph		 14 +1:55.243
75.636mph		 23 1:40.282
78.888mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing		 Lotus Cortina (#201421) TC-65 D2 21 +3.749
77.890mph		 15 +1L
75.551mph		 22 1:41.325
78.076mph
Dunlop  
API
 		 Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 24 +5.106
76.863mph		 16 +21.970
74.837mph		 22 1:42.137
77.455mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club		 Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 23 +4.752
77.128mph		 17 +26.482
74.693mph		 22 1:42.807
76.950mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing		 Ford Falcon (#825) TC-65 D2 20 +3.574
78.024mph		 18 22 1:39.732
79.323mph		 suspension
Dunlop  
Spadowski
 		 Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 26 +6.395
75.912mph		 19 +2L
71.479mph		 21 1:42.242
77.375mph
Dunlop  
jimmer
 		 Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 25 +5.914
76.264mph		 20 +24.818
70.724mph		 21 1:44.890
75.422mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club		 Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 15 +1.849
79.374mph		 21 +4L 19 1:40.972
78.349mph		 suspension
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing		 Ford Mustang (#809) TC-65 D2 19 +3.009
78.461mph		 22 +10L 13 1:43.244
76.624mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing		 Ford Mustang (#892) TC-65 D2 17 +2.071
79.198mph		 23 +13L 10 1:41.084
78.262mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing		 Lotus Cortina (#205266) TC-65 D2 13 +1.608
79.567mph		 24 +15L 8 1:41.293
78.100mph		 unknown
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers		 Ford Mustang (#809) TC-65 D2 22 +4.277
77.487mph		 25 +18L 5 1:43.106
76.727mph		 suspension
Dunlop  
phspok
 		 Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 7 +0.887
80.148mph		 +23L 0 ---
---		 unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 206s

Spanner passes Sandor at the hairpin but the Falcons power sees Sandor back infront by the braking zone for the chicane.
Sandor does move back over to the racing line a little too soon and almost imediately has to hit the brakes for the turn. This gave Spanner little or no time to react and the inevitable rear contact occured.
This incident would have been avoidable if Sandor had stayed on the line he had passed on and not moved back over to the racing line directly in front of Spanner.

Server replay time: 862s

Dan is lapping Jimmer (racepace) and catches him on the aproach to the hairpin. Dan goes to the right to make the pass but Jimmer seems to lose the rear end of his car slightly and this sends him to the right also.
Just an unfortunate event that ended with no harm done to either party.

Racing incident.

  • Racing incident

Server replay time: 897s

Sandor, in a falcon, was much faster down the s/f straight than Legzy but did not gain quite enough on him to attempt a pass before T1. Sandor seemed to realise this a little late and hit the brakes in an attempt to avoid contact, but he had left it a little late and clipped the rear quarter of Legzy's car.
No damage was done and Legzy kept his place.

Server replay time: 1047s

Not quite as simple this one.
Again Sandor is faster aproaching the chicane and brakes slightly later to get on the inside of Legzy. Whilst this move was possibly not the ideal place to try an outbraking manouver in a Falcon vs a 'Tina, Sandor does actually get around 1/3 overlap legitimately and therefore has every right to be where he was.
Legzy actually moves right, almost blocking Sandors move, a fair bit earlier than he has done on previous or following laps and turns onto the apex normally leaving no room whatsoever for Sandor and forcing him into the tyre wall.
**NOTE**
Passing and being passed appoaching corners, the critical moment is the turn in point, not the braking point. The earlier the overlap the better, of course, but if the intent is telegraphed with an early move and a reasonable overlap achieved before the lead car gets to the point where it has to turn in, that should be good enough in a gentlemanly racing environment.

  • Legzy — caution — Closing the door on a car with overlap
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

Server replay time: 1344s

Racepace is being lapped by Ade (who gives him a nudge in the chicane). Rp accelerates away normally and starts to move to the right when he realises Ade is still there, so he straightens up and lifts slightly to allow the slower accelerating car through.
This move caught Syd a little by suprise and he tagged the rear of RP's car sending him onto the grass. Syd then moves wide and accelerates away but unfortunately gets a wheel on the grass which sends him into a spin. Both Geoffers and RP are close and have to slow substantially to avoid Syd's car.
Evert is aproaching up the hill under full acceleration but shows no sign (no lift/braking etc) of any awareness or caution to the incident ahead and runs full tilt into the back of RP.

Racepace, whilst trying to do the right thing by assisting a lapping car through, caused a few other problems with his actions. ONLY lift off when it is safe to do so....unfortunately, the lapping car will just have to wait :)

Upto then I would consider this a racing incident.
However Evert's lack of caution must be penalised...regardless of who may be the initial cause of an incident you CANNOT aproach an incident under full throttle causing additional mayhem.

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 03:47:07 PM +0100 »
ill be in the Cortina not a big fan of the big American cars.   I remember the last race here and it was great so hopefully another good one tommorow, got down to a 37.5 dont think i can get anymore out of it
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2008, 03:49:44 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Minton on August 20, 2008, 03:47:07 PM +0100
dont think i can get anymore out of it

Dammit man, that is fast again Mr. Minton, lets hope not!!  Shocked
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2008, 04:08:51 PM +0100 »
I've hit 1:40 once & can't get near it again. Oh well, I guess I'll be way down the pack... But I do enjoy driving the Falcon, great fun  Evil
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2008, 04:33:38 PM +0100 »
Quote from: Legzy on August 20, 2008, 04:08:51 PM +0100
I've hit 1:40 once & can't get near it again. Oh well, I guess I'll be way down the pack... But I do enjoy driving the Falcon, great fun  Evil

I'm still in the 1.41 so I will be chasing your ass  Grin
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2008, 04:39:42 PM +0100 »
I don't think the marshals will be allowing any animal antics Mr Mooijekind
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2008, 04:41:56 PM +0100 »
Quote from: mooijekind11 on August 20, 2008, 04:33:38 PM +0100
I'm still in the 1.41 so I will be chasing your ass  Grin
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So many easy replies to this but so little time!

You'll be pleased to hear that I think I might be able to get on line for some practice a bit earlier tonight. But you keep your eyes on the road & your hands on your wheel.  Grin
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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2008, 09:59:20 PM +0100 »
Found a bug earlier: If you pick the Mustang in Black with Red stripes, you're invisible to everyone else and you stay invisible until you restart GTL. Changing car makes no difference, you have to restart it.

Don't know if this is a known bug or not. Undecided
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2008, 11:49:15 PM +0100 »
Thats odd I've, and others here have used that Stang with no problems I recall. If any of you experience same problems at least you know what to do now, and do report them here afterwards.

Hope the race is as much fun as pracci session tonight Smiley   
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2008, 11:52:28 PM +0100 »
What...you mean tomorrows race IS the demolition derby ?

Twas fun thiugh...and I learnt that there is no way that the Tina can compete here with the tanks....it just gets eaten on the straights and there are ONLY straights here.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2008, 05:55:33 AM +0100 »
Quote from: Tibernius on August 20, 2008, 09:59:20 PM +0100
Found a bug earlier: If you pick the Mustang in Black with Red stripes, you're invisible to everyone else and you stay invisible until you restart GTL. Changing car makes no difference, you have to restart it.

Don't know if this is a known bug or not. Undecided

Are, the hidden "stealth" option.

I'm getting a new graphics card tomorrow. I am HOPING to have it installed in time for the race. (Gonna be tight. I'm going to have about an hour to do everything.)
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2008, 11:15:04 AM +0100 »
Quote from: psuedo on August 20, 2008, 11:52:28 PM +0100
What...you mean tomorrows race IS the demolition derby ?

Twas fun thiugh...and I learnt that there is no way that the Tina can compete here with the tanks....it just gets eaten on the straights and there are ONLY straights here.  Roll Eyes

Yeah, it could be frustrating for Cortina drivers - it's quick, prolly as quick as the Falcon, but in all the wrong places.  I hope no-one in a Cortina gets stuck behind my Stang tonight, I'll feel guilty holding them up the entire race.... Wink

Slowly getting down to mid 38s, the question is how much more grass is reasonable to take through the chicane section.   Grin
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2008, 11:21:22 AM +0100 »
Quote from: SteveHolmes on August 21, 2008, 11:15:04 AM +0100
Slowly getting down to mid 38s, the question is how much more grass is reasonable to take through the chicane section.   Grin

What are the rules for that? Is it the same as other GTL: 2 wheels on the track?
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2008, 11:36:40 AM +0100 »
Sounds fair enough, and longest side-wheelie automatically gets 50 bonus points.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2008, 11:38:59 AM +0100 »
The key to that chicane is tailbraking. Put brakebias rearwards a lot and lock the rears under braking, kicking the tail out and pointing the nose in the right direction.
It's also great fun Grin.
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2008, 11:45:59 AM +0100 »
yep, this is definitely a very rear brake bias track...and it's also fun controlling the rear end as it swings from one side to the other mid chicane.

I've been pretty conservative taking grass on the left of the chicane, take another foot or so and your left wheel bangs the kerb and launches the car onto its right wheels, both Tony and I did that online last night, amusing, but not fast.  The high grip also causes the front right to stick and you end up on your nose then your roof.  I reckon there are better ways.  Unless we are going to award time bonuses for style? Undecided

The question is whether you can keep the right tyres on the tarmac whilst totally straddling the left hand kerb and therefore not getting launched, experimentation needed.
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