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  • L6S Oulton Park: August 21, 2008
August 21, 2008, 08:57:25 PM +0100 - Oulton Park (Island) - UKGTL Season 6 Season 6 GT Classics Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Steve Holmes
 Legends Racing
Ford Mustang (#892) TC-65 D2 3 +0.055
80.829mph
1 38:10.386
79.442mph
23 1:38.292
80.485mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Lotus Cortina (#955) TC-65 D2 1 1:37.818
80.875mph
2 +1.161
79.402mph
23 1:37.948
80.767mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 2 +0.032
80.848mph
3 +4.553
79.285mph
23 1:38.329
80.454mph
Dunlop  
GardO
 
Ford Mustang (#896) TC-65 D2 8 +1.071
79.999mph
4 +16.520
78.873mph
23 1:38.972
79.932mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Legends Racing
Ford Falcon (#200803) TC-65 D2 9 +1.112
79.966mph
5 +18.522
78.805mph
23 1:38.714
80.141mph
Dunlop  
baracus250gt
 Ghostspeed
Ford Mustang (#896) TC-65 D2 4 +0.064
80.822mph
6 +20.417
78.740mph
23 1:38.302
80.477mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Cortina (#205702) TC-65 D2 6 +0.304
80.624mph
7 +28.542
78.464mph
23 1:38.233
80.533mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 11 +1.240
79.862mph
8 +28.933
78.451mph
23 1:39.455
79.544mph
Dunlop  
stnasky
 Team RVS
Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 5 +0.296
80.631mph
9 +29.655
78.427mph
23 1:38.708
80.146mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Falcon (#825) TC-65 D2 10 +1.140
79.943mph
10 +1:10.569
77.068mph
23 1:39.203
79.746mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Cortina (#201421) TC-65 D2 16 +2.033
79.228mph
11 +1:19.036
76.792mph
23 1:40.280
78.889mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Cortina (#913) TC-65 D2 12 +1.577
79.592mph
12 +1:19.226
76.786mph
23 1:39.724
79.329mph
Dunlop  
evert blommert
 Dutch Turtles
Lotus Cortina (#961) TC-65 D2 18 +2.468
78.884mph
13 (+2) +1:35.460
76.264mph
23 1:40.780
78.498mph
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Lotus Cortina (#205702) TC-65 D2 14 +1.705
79.489mph
14 +1:55.243
75.636mph
23 1:40.282
78.888mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus Cortina (#201421) TC-65 D2 21 +3.749
77.890mph
15 +1L
75.551mph
22 1:41.325
78.076mph
Dunlop  
API
 
Lotus Cortina (#924) TC-65 D2 24 +5.106
76.863mph
16 +21.970
74.837mph
22 1:42.137
77.455mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 23 +4.752
77.128mph
17 +26.482
74.693mph
22 1:42.807
76.950mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Ford Falcon (#825) TC-65 D2 20 +3.574
78.024mph
18 22 1:39.732
79.323mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Spadowski
 
Ford Mustang (#890) TC-65 D2 26 +6.395
75.912mph
19 +2L
71.479mph
21 1:42.242
77.375mph
Dunlop  
jimmer
 
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 25 +5.914
76.264mph
20 +24.818
70.724mph
21 1:44.890
75.422mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 15 +1.849
79.374mph
21 +4L 19 1:40.972
78.349mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Ford Mustang (#809) TC-65 D2 19 +3.009
78.461mph
22 +10L 13 1:43.244
76.624mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Ford Mustang (#892) TC-65 D2 17 +2.071
79.198mph
23 +13L 10 1:41.084
78.262mph
unknown
Dunlop  
psuedo
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus Cortina (#205266) TC-65 D2 13 +1.608
79.567mph
24 +15L 8 1:41.293
78.100mph
unknown
Dunlop  
BillThomas
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Mustang (#809) TC-65 D2 22 +4.277
77.487mph
25 +18L 5 1:43.106
76.727mph
suspension
Dunlop  
phspok
 
Ford Falcon (#872) TC-65 D2 7 +0.887
80.148mph
+23L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 206s

Spanner passes Sandor at the hairpin but the Falcons power sees Sandor back infront by the braking zone for the chicane.
Sandor does move back over to the racing line a little too soon and almost imediately has to hit the brakes for the turn. This gave Spanner little or no time to react and the inevitable rear contact occured.
This incident would have been avoidable if Sandor had stayed on the line he had passed on and not moved back over to the racing line directly in front of Spanner.


Server replay time: 862s

Dan is lapping Jimmer (racepace) and catches him on the aproach to the hairpin. Dan goes to the right to make the pass but Jimmer seems to lose the rear end of his car slightly and this sends him to the right also.
Just an unfortunate event that ended with no harm done to either party.

Racing incident.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 897s

Sandor, in a falcon, was much faster down the s/f straight than Legzy but did not gain quite enough on him to attempt a pass before T1. Sandor seemed to realise this a little late and hit the brakes in an attempt to avoid contact, but he had left it a little late and clipped the rear quarter of Legzy's car.
No damage was done and Legzy kept his place.


Server replay time: 1047s

Not quite as simple this one.
Again Sandor is faster aproaching the chicane and brakes slightly later to get on the inside of Legzy. Whilst this move was possibly not the ideal place to try an outbraking manouver in a Falcon vs a 'Tina, Sandor does actually get around 1/3 overlap legitimately and therefore has every right to be where he was.
Legzy actually moves right, almost blocking Sandors move, a fair bit earlier than he has done on previous or following laps and turns onto the apex normally leaving no room whatsoever for Sandor and forcing him into the tyre wall.
**NOTE**
Passing and being passed appoaching corners, the critical moment is the turn in point, not the braking point. The earlier the overlap the better, of course, but if the intent is telegraphed with an early move and a reasonable overlap achieved before the lead car gets to the point where it has to turn in, that should be good enough in a gentlemanly racing environment.

  • Legzycaution — Closing the door on a car with overlap
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 1344s

Racepace is being lapped by Ade (who gives him a nudge in the chicane). Rp accelerates away normally and starts to move to the right when he realises Ade is still there, so he straightens up and lifts slightly to allow the slower accelerating car through.
This move caught Syd a little by suprise and he tagged the rear of RP's car sending him onto the grass. Syd then moves wide and accelerates away but unfortunately gets a wheel on the grass which sends him into a spin. Both Geoffers and RP are close and have to slow substantially to avoid Syd's car.
Evert is aproaching up the hill under full acceleration but shows no sign (no lift/braking etc) of any awareness or caution to the incident ahead and runs full tilt into the back of RP.

Racepace, whilst trying to do the right thing by assisting a lapping car through, caused a few other problems with his actions. ONLY lift off when it is safe to do so....unfortunately, the lapping car will just have to wait :)

Upto then I would consider this a racing incident.
However Evert's lack of caution must be penalised...regardless of who may be the initial cause of an incident you CANNOT aproach an incident under full throttle causing additional mayhem.

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« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2008, 12:03:40 PM +0100 »

The ingame cut detection at this track...and especially at the chicane are non-existent.

However, the general Spirit and Conduct of drivers here will mean nobody would even dream of taking too much grass and bending the rule of keeping two wheels on the tarmac......WONT IT?  Grin
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« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2008, 12:26:12 PM +0100 »

Of course dude - best behaviour  Grin Can't wait, it's going to be hectic as hell based on the squabbling going down last night  Grin

I remember the instructors on that VXR day thing had us keeping well to the left on the exit of the chicane, ready to take the easy right for a good run up the hill - seems very tricky to do in the game unless you cut the speed right down to the point it can't be faster than crashing through sideways while mowing the grass lol.

The Cortina's doing it for me once again so reckon i'll stick with it - feel free to use all the rubber you like in the tanks lads, i'll see you about lap 6 Wink
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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2008, 12:42:34 PM +0100 »

I was going to run with the Falcon but just felt I was making no progression with the car the more I practised it  cursing Was going backwards if anything!

 surrender So I ran last night in the Tina & it is slower (with me driving) but not too much & like Oily says, it might come good as the race goes on.
After last nights multi-driver practice, tonight's going to be a tough race on a narrow track filled with some  tank. Carnage.
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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2008, 01:03:28 PM +0100 »

I've been pretty conservative taking grass on the left of the chicane, take another foot or so and your left wheel bangs the kerb and launches the car onto its right wheels, both Tony and I did that online last night, amusing, but not fast.  The high grip also causes the front right to stick and you end up on your nose then your roof.  I reckon there are better ways.  Unless we are going to award time bonuses for style? Undecided

The question is whether you can keep the right tyres on the tarmac whilst totally straddling the left hand kerb and therefore not getting launched, experimentation needed.

I found the less risky option is to take a lot of grass on the right on the way in & stay completely on the track for the LH bit. Taking it a bit slower means you can get a better drive out towards Clay Hill. Now having said that I'm bound to flip it at the chicane  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2008, 01:05:08 PM +0100 »

I hear you dude, got to a semi-respectable time in it and then quickly just couldn't extract any more - despite it being a lot of fun!

Usually when that happens I suddenly realise my knuckles are going white and i'm tensed up trying to magically enter corners much quicker than the last time, in actual fact if I stop and relax a bit - tidy up the lines a little there's more to be gained. That's the theory, doesn't work often lol  whistling

Taking it a bit slower means you can get a better drive out towards Clay Hill.

Yeah I'm sure that's the quickest way Geoffers, a bit of discipline needed me thinks, will give it another bash tonight!
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« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2008, 01:13:04 PM +0100 »

I've been pretty conservative taking grass on the left of the chicane, take another foot or so and your left wheel bangs the kerb and launches the car onto its right wheels, both Tony and I did that online last night, amusing, but not fast.  The high grip also causes the front right to stick and you end up on your nose then your roof.  I reckon there are better ways.  Unless we are going to award time bonuses for style? Undecided

The question is whether you can keep the right tyres on the tarmac whilst totally straddling the left hand kerb and therefore not getting launched, experimentation needed.

I found the less risky option is to take a lot of grass on the right on the way in & stay completely on the track for the LH bit. Taking it a bit slower means you can get a better drive out towards Clay Hill. Now having said that I'm bound to flip it at the chicane  Roll Eyes

Yeah, I think I agree with you (and Oily's VXR instructor), that's closer to what I've been trying, just want to try the alternative monstering-the-kerbs approach too.   Grin
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« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2008, 02:09:24 PM +0100 »

It's great fun going through there feeling just that little bit out of control isn't it!

A little inspiration - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYQKKlir6sY&feature=related
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« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2008, 02:10:07 PM +0100 »

Nowthen

We had some discussions about the grass in the chicane last night when SBG arrived
I had been straddling the left kerb in the middle part of the chicane, and was getting
some respectable times. I had to either keep to the right of the middle kerb so as
to avoid being tipped over. or I had to completely straddle it, while keeping the
right two wheels on tarmac of course. It was felt that The completely straddle option
was not acceptable. So I've been trying to drive right round it.. so far I am
a second slower, and I tipped the car on it's end twice!
Chortle.
I don't really mind how I take the chicane as long as all are doing the same.
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« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2008, 02:34:02 PM +0100 »

Perhaps the moderators could issue a defining statement on what kind of "straddle" is acceptable and what sort of penalty offenders could expect?
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2008, 03:19:04 PM +0100 »

I'm readying the red hot poker for any offenders.  Perhaps I should leave it up to Jeff, that seems more his thing.   Cheesy

Tricky judgement - I'm assuming everyone is happy using the tyre barrier as the definition of the chicane entry?  Skimming the tyres involves being 2/3 off the track. Using the 2 tyres on the tarmac rule I'd have thought straddling the kerb on the left was fine, but since I haven't  fully tried it, I don't mind if its banned.  Wink
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« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2008, 03:35:31 PM +0100 »

I'm readying the red hot poker for any offenders.  Perhaps I should leave it up to Jeff, that seems more his thing.   Cheesy

Nah, too many guys around here Grin. Call me when it's ladies night Tongue.
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« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2008, 04:18:49 PM +0100 »

Definitive statement.

KEEP TWO WHEELS ON THE TARMAC AT ALL TIMES.

the rest is up to you.
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« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2008, 04:26:04 PM +0100 »

Definitive statement.

KEEP TWO WHEELS ON THE TARMAC AT ALL TIMES.

the rest is up to you.

So if I make a mistake & screw up the chicane, know I had all four wheels on the grass at the same time.... I should send myself into the pits for a self imposed drive through? Seems logical.  Smiley
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« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2008, 04:30:03 PM +0100 »

Nahhhhh.....If you make a mistake and get it wrong and end up with four wheels on the grass....forget it...no problem.

But if you DONT make a mistake, and regularly end up with four wheels on the grass...or basically take an unfair advantage of any description....then expect a bolt of lightening to appear and strike you in the gearbox.
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« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2008, 05:27:33 PM +0100 »

Quote from rules - "Drivers are strongly discouraged from the deliberate placing of one or more wheels on areas of grass, gravel and sand." Therefore I would consider deliberately putting two wheel on the grass, through the left bit of chicane as naughty and to be discouraged. Especially as you can gain much time by doing it.

I'm more worried about crashing there than any cutting to be honest Smiley
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