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  • L7 Bayfront Park: February 19, 2009
February 19, 2009, 08:46:58 PM +0000 - Bayfront Park - UKGTL Season 7
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Dan Minton
 Team RVS
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 1 58.510
69.275mph
1 39:03.027
67.467mph
39 59.186
68.483mph
Dunlop  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Austin-Healey 3000 (#201300) GTC-65 3 +0.459
68.735mph
2 +8.576
67.221mph
39 59.434
68.198mph
Dunlop  
Ade
 Kerb Crawlers
Austin-Healey 3000 (#201300) GTC-65 2 +0.405
68.798mph
3 +30.167
66.609mph
39 59.269
68.388mph
Dunlop  
Madd-RIP
 Team RVS
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 4 +0.535
68.647mph
4 +44.366
66.213mph
39 59.286
68.368mph
Dunlop  
pribeiro
 Ghostspeed
Renault Alpine A110 (#501) GTC-65 8 +0.791
68.351mph
5 +59.284
65.802mph
39 59.446
68.184mph
Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#201490) GTC-65 6 +0.690
68.467mph
6 +1L
65.696mph
38 59.936
67.626mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#201490) GTC-65 14 +1.427
67.625mph
7 +11.049
65.388mph
38 1:00.189
67.342mph
Dunlop  
lazlow
 Team Oldie Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#201490) GTC-65 9 +0.820
68.317mph
8 +11.912
65.364mph
38 59.738
67.851mph
Dunlop  
evert blommert
 Dutch Turtles
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 13 +1.278
67.794mph
9 +14.326
65.297mph
38 59.726
67.864mph
Dunlop  
Samb
 Reed Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#473) GTC-65 11 +1.041
68.064mph
10 (+2) +17.249
65.216mph
38 59.507
68.114mph
Dunlop  
Tibernius
 Prodigy Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#453) GTC-65 16 +1.676
67.346mph
11 +56.835
64.141mph
38 59.857
67.716mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Drake Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 15 +1.666
67.357mph
12 +1:01.648
64.013mph
38 1:00.644
66.837mph
Dunlop  
mr_oily
 Prodigy Racing
Austin-Healey 3000 (#473) GTC-65 5 +0.594
68.578mph
13 38 59.463
68.164mph
fuel
Dunlop  
dynosaur
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#501) GTC-65 10 +0.834
68.301mph
14 38 59.343
68.302mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 20 +2.111
66.862mph
15 +2L
63.399mph
37 1:01.038
66.405mph
Dunlop  
ross.mcw
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 19 +2.015
66.968mph
16 +28.968
62.632mph
37 1:01.248
66.178mph
Dunlop  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 21 +2.506
66.429mph
17 +3L
62.274mph
36 1:01.634
65.763mph
Dunlop  
Sandor M
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 22 +2.698
66.221mph
18 +33.703
61.391mph
36 1:01.825
65.560mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Austin-Healey 3000 (#473) GTC-65 23 +3.167
65.718mph
19 +6L
55.814mph
33 1:02.057
65.315mph
Dunlop  
Tim Robey
 
Austin-Healey 3000 (#471) GTC-65 17 +1.784
67.225mph
20 +7L 32 1:01.183
66.248mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Renault Alpine A110 (#201321) GTC-65 12 +1.110
67.985mph
21 +21L 18 1:00.177
67.356mph
unknown
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Aston Martin DB4 GT (#9) GTC-65 7 +0.748
68.400mph
22 +28L 11 1:00.305
67.213mph
unknown
Dunlop  
spanner
 Prodigy Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#580) GTC-65 18 +1.856
67.145mph
23 +38L 1 1:23.153
48.745mph
unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 1s

There was a report about Syd warping during qually and race. The replay shows his car warping and sinking through the ground.
Can't really penalize him about this. It's something that has to be sorted at the time, notify the person warping and ask him to leave or rejoin. I can't prove if this happened or not.


Server replay time: 45s

Sam's car is warping and gently rearends Matt, pushing him slightly against Lazlow. Now damage nor places lost. Minor incident propably caused by warping.


Server replay time: 52s

Matt Rowe rear ends PRibeiro into T1, sending him around and ending him at the back of the grid.
PRibeiro asked for no penalty, otherwise this would have been a 2 places lost.

  • phspok (Matt_Rowe)penalty — Rear ending — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 68s

Mr. Oily taps Ade a couple of times before sending him around. This caused mayhem and multiple incidents as it was early in the race. The taps before should have been a warning to be careful.
Due to the numerous taps and chaos caused due to this, it gets the maximum penalty of 2 places which stands for rear end hits.

There was however no report from the victim, eliminating this penalty.

  • mr_oilypenalty — Rear end hit — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 70s

Lazlow taps Sam who are all trying to avoid previous incident. It happens right infront of them with hardly any time to react.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 80s

Madd rear end Lazlow, making him run wide and due to good control Lazlow remains pointing forward. This could have gone a lot worst but the result wasn't too bad. Still it was avoidable, but due to the limited damage this would have only been a 1 place penalty.

  • Madd-RIPpenalty — Rear end hit — 1 place lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 100s

Madd rear ends Ross, sending him around and losing him a lot of places.
Avoidable incident, normally worth 2 places penalty.

  • Madd-RIPpenalty — Rear end hit — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 138s

Madd hits Syd's warping car, nothing Madd could do about that.
If your car is warping and people warn you about that, leave and rejoin. If the problem stays, stay out of the race as it will only cause chaos!
Like previous incident regarding Syd's warping, I can't prove him being warned, but this is an advice in general. Leave when told you're warping.
Don't think I can do more about these warping issues at this moment.


Server replay time: 140s

Mr Oily nudges Sandor's car, sending him into the tyrewall. The contact was minimal, but the effect was big. The nature of the track and the close racing was probably the cause of this incident, but because Sandor was quite heavily effected by this, it's still worth the 2 places penalty (but again, no victim report).

  • mr_oilypenalty — Rear end hit — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 202s

Lazlow tries to overtake Evert but slightly touches him, but enough to spin Evert around. Evert loses a few places but both can continue by what seems no damage.
There wasn't really room for a move so the incident was avoidable.
Evert asked for no penalty.

  • lazlow (Lazlow)penalty — Overambitious overtake — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded


Server replay time: 367s

Alex defends the inside of the corner, still Sam tries to overtake, resulting in a rear end shunt, sending Alex into the wall.

  • Samb (Sam Blood)penalty — Impossible overtaking manoeuvre — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 540s

Madd outbrakes himself and runs a bit wide, off the racing line. Evert takes the inside and the racing line. He has the right for that line but Madd tries to get back on the line, steering into Evert as a result.
Evert did not lean against Madd's car. Both cars could continue without problems.

  • Madd-RIPadvice — Reclaiming racing line


Server replay time: 1373s

Sam approaches 2 slow driving Alpines and doesn't give enough room, and cuts PR's Alpine, and rear ends Ross' Alpine, sending him around and into the wall. There was enough room on the right to pass both cars.
The contact was avoidable.

  • Samb (Sam Blood)penalty — Contact — 2 places lost
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTC-65
58.510
69.275mph
Dan Minton
Qualifying
Austin-Healey 3000February 19, 2009, 08:46:58 PM +0000
L7
GT Legends
GTC-65
59.186
68.483mph
Dan Minton
Race
Austin-Healey 3000February 19, 2009, 08:46:58 PM +0000
L7
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2009, 10:18:14 AM +0000 »

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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2009, 10:32:52 AM +0000 »

I'm trully sorry, but as i am doing for almost 3 years here at SROU, i will keep not reporting incidents,
because i see them all as unintentional.
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Incidents will always happen (we are simply humans) but what hurts a bit is not having a simple
sorry even a little one.

That's why you should be reporting them - if you get a "sorry", it means the lesson has probably been learned and no report is needed. But without one, that person will probably the message that such driving is okay and that they will continue to get away with it - only if you report it will they learn.
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2009, 11:07:33 AM +0000 »

sadly ive noted some driving standards have slipped lately at srouk for both modern and classics  Sad  people pulling out of the pits in front of cars on a flying lap in qually, blocking/baulking cars on a hot lap even when they have screwed their own laps up, robust overtaking moves to muscle their own position for a hotlap etc. Some are just newish-driver related but not always. Not a good new development. no

Should we be filing reports on incidents like that in qually sessions as well as races?
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2009, 11:17:32 AM +0000 »

I've admittedly had a couple of shockers so not ideal timing to comment but overall the standard of driving here is still the best I've seen on my travels and nobody's actually malicious - just my opinion from what I'm seeing but I don't think we're on some slippery slope at all....every driver in every racing league, real or virtual has the odd blip!

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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2009, 11:33:11 AM +0000 »

Should we be filing reports on incidents like that in qually sessions as well as races?

If there's really outrageous stuff going on, yes, but bear in mind that without replays from those sessions all we can really do is remind folks about the expected etiquette as part of the moderating process.
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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2009, 11:51:03 AM +0000 »

no nothing outrageous or malicious, but definitely erring on the inconsiderate/selfish and definitely grid position costing. Just not gentlemenly...what what  euro  Grin Im sure its a temporary blip on the usually excellent standards here.  angel

For some other reason, qually sessions have become oddly fragile connection wise too. Several drivers keep getting disco'd usually in groups (it seems) and yet then its stable all through the race.  Huh Any ideas? Would it be that people are joining/re-joining causing the already fragile net code to fall apart?
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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2009, 01:00:48 PM +0000 »

As an onlooker (I am Ades unwanted race engineer) I have definately seen some very ungentlemanly conduct with certain drivers, genuine mistakes are swiftly followed by a heartfelt apology (like Oily last night) ..... but there are certain pigheaded bullies out there that just ram and block for no reason.. and have never offered even a hint of a sorry... ruining folks races.. I say we kill them!!
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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2009, 01:14:28 PM +0000 »


That race certainly was wild! But I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

Qually went well, new PB but still stuck at the back of the grid, no bad thing....

I took it easy on the first first few laps, trying to look after the car. Had a some fun battles with my fellow backmarkers, although with Syd warping badly in front of me caused me a few hairy moments, particularly with not seeing the leaders trying lap me.

Yes dynosaur you did push me into the wall, as I was racing Wilts Tony I was going to let you by in the next straight. Never mind. I won't be reporting that one as you've apologised and waited.

After that I tried to keep well out of the way of any lapping cars.

And finally my motor died 5 laps from the finish, don't think I ran out of fuel so dunno what happened there Sad

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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2009, 01:38:42 PM +0000 »

For some other reason, qually sessions have become oddly fragile connection wise too. Several drivers keep getting disco'd usually in groups (it seems) and yet then its stable all through the race.  Huh Any ideas? Would it be that people are joining/re-joining causing the already fragile net code to fall apart?
ooh dear, don't remember it being a problem before P&G classics racing was introduced  whistling
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(obviously this is a joke & not a real suggestion  Smiley)
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2009, 02:05:04 PM +0000 »

or it could just be the new car sets have got some errors in them  whistling  Wink

P&G 'should' be a completely different install to GTR2 (if everyone followed the install instructions) so cannot see how it would influence other sim racing in any shape or form.  Undecided
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« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2009, 05:49:19 PM +0000 »

That race certainly was wild! But I enjoyed it more than I thought I would.

Forgot to mention that I enjoyed that as well  Smiley Very, very different to our normal fair (in a good way) what with difficult lapping (for both parties), total concentration needed and more yellows than normal made it nerve shredding/thrilling for me. Makes it almost worth normal post street circuit race aggro  Smiley

I'm with Oily and do rather see last nights events as unusual (although I thought standards were good, especially in difficult quali session) but perhaps that will slap us outta any complacency and things will get even better for all till end of season. Or Gothwitch will be knocking on your door.
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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2009, 06:08:14 PM +0000 »

I think the standard of driving here is very good, Of course everyone makes mistakes and makes the wrong decisions now and again but these are decisions that are made in a split second .  Every driver has different characteristics some are aggressive and not very fair, some are aggressive but fair, some love to have a clean battle even if its for last place.
None of the "aggressive/bad driving"  in my opinion is intentional  just competitiveness and people getting a bit too excited ,cant knock people for that!!

Ive done loads of stupid things but not on purpose just the wrong decision at the wrong time...but hopefully i learn.

Still the cleanest league around i say.  Wink
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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2009, 06:29:40 PM +0000 »

Still the cleanest league around i say.  Wink

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2009, 07:09:43 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2009, 08:58:57 PM +0000 »

Still the cleanest league around i say.  Wink

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