Al Heller
Former UKGPL Moderators
Full Member
Posts: 495
|
|
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2012, 01:33:22 PM +0000 » |
|
The server replay (not available via the thread link btw) matches mine & shows the full horror of the warp between me & Bob (screengrabs from server replay): Me & Bob seem to leave each other plenty of room here... yet on the very next frame Bob gets thumped sideways I don't remember seeing a warp collision with cars that far apart before. Is that normal? I've got a wired connection to my router but I know Bob did use wireless in the past - might that be a contributing factor?
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Hristo Itchov
|
|
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2012, 02:49:04 PM +0000 » |
|
When a driver sees everyone around him warping, but others see only that driver, then it's that driver's connection end which is at fault.
BTW this race was yet another example that without the 50-75% distance rule for point scoring, the championship does not reflect very well what happens on the track. Myself and Art retired so early in the race, yet because of the small grid, we still score a substantial amount of points. I imagine this makes it rather frustrating for those who go on to finish the whole distance and still don't reduce the points gap by much. I've been in that position and it was the main reason I was asking for that rule to be introduced, so I don't quite understand why we don't apply it to all divisions.
|
|
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 02:51:17 PM +0000 by Hristo Itchov »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Artiglietti
|
|
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2012, 05:20:17 PM +0000 » |
|
Honestly I have never quite understood that idea, it always seemed to me somewhat artificial. With the 50% distance rule, you end up giving an excessive advantage to someone who crashed out at L20 instead of L15. Also, if you consider the people who were wiped off by others' mistakes at T1 in some races (erm erm.. ), that would be a further undeserved punishment. Maybe theres something I dont see, but I think the 50% rule feels a bit like an on/off switch which is forced upon your race, and is not going to reflect the real values showed on track anyway. There is always going to be a random element in the points you get when you hit trouble in a race, but I think the best thing would be getting rid of this system that allows everyone to pick up points just by taking the green flag. We had this discussion already though, and I seem to remember the overwhelming majority was in favour of the new point system...
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Hristo Itchov
|
|
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2012, 06:03:37 PM +0000 » |
|
That's why I'm more supportive of the 75% distance rule than the 50%, especially since we don't do full GP races. The main thing is that with smaller grid, it's next to impossible to recover gaps in the points because drivers just have to enter a race and then even if they retire, they'll still score well.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Al Heller
Former UKGPL Moderators
Full Member
Posts: 495
|
|
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 06:59:14 PM +0000 » |
|
That's why I'm more supportive of the 75% distance rule than the 50%, especially since we don't do full GP races. The main thing is that with smaller grid, it's next to impossible to recover gaps in the points because drivers just have to enter a race and then even if they retire, they'll still score well.
Judging by the speed of some of the Privateers I would hope the Works grid will be getting bigger next season... The scoring issue struck me after one of the F2 races this season when my internet connection went down soon after I'd joined qualifying - I missed the race entirely yet still managed to score 13 points - not a bad return for a couple of minutes of practice!
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
maddog
|
|
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 07:01:21 PM +0000 » |
|
The idea behind a closer points scoring system, was to encourage slower drivers to join in? Adding a requirement to survive beyond half way, seems to discourage unskilled drivers, who struggle to make race distance. These 2 ideas conflict with each other. The middle ground would be to abandon both, and that would be my choice.
|
|
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 07:03:31 PM +0000 by maddog »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ronniepeterson
|
|
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2012, 07:37:26 PM +0000 » |
|
That's why I'm more supportive of the 75% distance rule than the 50%, especially since we don't do full GP races. The main thing is that with smaller grid, it's next to impossible to recover gaps in the points because drivers just have to enter a race and then even if they retire, they'll still score well.
I agree it is very fortuitous to pick up good points when retiring early from a race with a small grid. But this could be helped if people who register for a series actually turned up on a regular basis. There are 14 full time Works drivers and yet only the first two races of the season have had more than 14 drivers turning up including non FT drivers. I fear a 50% distance rule would thin the grid, just look at the Historics and a 75% distance rule would more or less empty the grid. One for further discussion in the season review I suspect.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Baab
|
|
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2012, 07:54:16 PM +0000 » |
|
It was a bit close but the move seemed to be on when Al's car jumped sideways into mine and sent me into the barrier, losing both right hand wheels. A look at the replay confirmed the warp and thankfully Al seemed unaffected (was this the case?).
Oops I see we posted around the same time Bob. So as a technical question, if your replay shows me jumping sideways & my replay shows nothing at all - which one of us provided the warp factor? Or is the server replay the only way to find a definitive answer? Either way, I'm sorry you ended up in the barrier as it looked like we were going to have a good scrap Yeah a cheeky bit of warp, I had to laugh when I saw your pics, I'm laying down a proper amount of rubber for a good few yards...do I tend to drive more sideways than most? I am using a wireless connection, although I did use a cable a while back (until our rabbits chewed through it). I generally have a good connection these days, with low latency. All other cars appeared warp free so I didn't suspect anything. Did anyone have any concerns about my possible warping from qual/the start? Please feedback any concerns at the next race, I certainly don't want to spoil the fun of others. Afterwards I obviously rued the situation and thought I shouldn't have been so hasty, but as you pointed out, we were a reasonable distance apart. I still enjoyed the racing. Bob.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Arf Arf Arf
|
|
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2012, 09:44:01 PM +0000 » |
|
Although I have raced mainly on a wire this Works season, this was largely to do with a problem with my wifi (now cured with the removal of PowerDVD which would switch it on and off!)
As such I can, and have, used wifi/wires interchangeably with absolutely no perceptible difference in connection quality.......inasmuch as I get massive warp on both sometimes.........
...and whilst we're on the subject, I only race on a laptop. I have to use GPL PowerMonger, otherwise warp is guaranteed, and I have to double check every time that my router knows that my GPL profile is associated to the laptop (it sometimes drops this association for reasons I've never been able to work out). However, I have raced many times on wifi, on a laptop...........
|
|
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 09:49:38 PM +0000 by Arf Arf Arf »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Hristo Itchov
|
|
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2012, 10:02:27 PM +0000 » |
|
The idea behind a closer points scoring system, was to encourage slower drivers to join in? Adding a requirement to survive beyond half way, seems to discourage unskilled drivers, who struggle to make race distance. These 2 ideas conflict with each other. The middle ground would be to abandon both, and that would be my choice. That's why we have separate divisions. When I said I would like to see the rule introduced to all divisions, I should have specified that I meant the divisions I race in, so that doesn't include the privateers/novices/heavies. As for the points system, I'm totally supportive of a more spaced out point system as the one we had in the past. Finishing higher up should be rewarded better compared to a lower finishing position. I fear a 50% distance rule would thin the grid, just look at the Historics
and a 75% distance rule would more or less empty the grid.
One for further discussion in the season review I suspect.
Racing shouldn't be just about speed, but consistency and not making mistakes. Scoring by just hotlapping in the beginning and retiring early (for whatever reason) doesn't make sense to me. I very much doubt the thinner grids have anything to do with the 50% distance rule.
|
|
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 10:09:24 PM +0000 by Hristo Itchov »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ross Neilson
UKGPL Divisional Moderator
Former UKGPL Moderators
Full Member
Posts: 980
|
|
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2012, 09:05:58 PM +0000 » |
|
The server replay (not available via the thread link btw)
Apologies Al, there was a typo in the link. Fixed now.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ross Neilson
UKGPL Divisional Moderator
Former UKGPL Moderators
Full Member
Posts: 980
|
|
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2012, 09:36:30 PM +0000 » |
|
Mod published, apologies for the delay.
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|