UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Amateurs Trophy (65) - Castle Combe - Nov 23

[john roberts]

Google 'WINRAR'.
Failing that let me know and I'll replace it with a zip. I normally use zip's for the replays but for some reason the pc decided to compress into a rar without asking this time 

or use 7zip , free software

http://www.7-zip.org/

[Ronniepeterson]

"Racing under PRO rules is awesome, and SHIFT R is for pussies"

The above comment from an Amateur driver should have been censored in my opinion, its offensive. I for one thought the introduction of shift-r/stop & go in the Privateers and Novices was a mistake and still do. BUT the racing has been excellent in both of these championships, so well done whoever made that decision. 

[vosblod]

"Racing under PRO rules is awesome, and SHIFT R is for pussies"
The above comment from an Amateur driver should have been censored in my opinion, its offensive. I for one thought the introduction of shift-r/stop & go in the Privateers and Novices was a mistake and still do. BUT the racing has been excellent in both of these championships, so well done whoever made that decision. 

I think the comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
For info the Novices has had Sh/R's since the start, the one only rule in Privateers was brought in to recognise those drivers may be a little less experienced then Works and give them a single chance of redemption should the worst happen.

[BadBlood]

I just thought I might add some fuel to the fire. I actually find the one Shift-R in Privateers makes me concentrate more and (possibly) drive better. The multiple Shift-R's in Novices is actually, I think, injurious to developing good habits.

Just my four pen'orth

[Podkrecony_Ziutek]

"Racing under PRO rules is awesome, and SHIFT R is for pussies"

The above comment from an Amateur driver should have been censored in my opinion, its offensive. I for one thought the introduction of shift-r/stop & go in the Privateers and Novices was a mistake and still do. BUT the racing has been excellent in both of these championships, so well done whoever made that decision. 

Well. When I was writting it, I had small hangover and maybe I wasn't as eloquent as usually

I do understand why Novices are racing under Int. rules, but in my opinion every other division should be run under Pro rules(that include Privateers). If we want to take our hobby serious, then racing under pro is only proper way to do it.

[Hristo Itchov]

Which Dijon are we racing next week, 73 or 81?

[FullMetalGasket]

Sorry for the late replay - I litterally havn't been on the pc since tuesday as I've been stuck in bed  :'(


As per the Am's registration thread we're racing at Dijon '81 (V2) as found here 

Will chuck a race post up while I'm on here before retreating to the warm....

[FullMetalGasket]

Mod report published - And a right old tricky one you buggers gave me to cut my teeth on! 

Hopefully I've inputted it right, and there arn't any paints that there shouldn't be....

[Phil Thornton]

Mod report published - And a right old tricky one you buggers gave me to cut my teeth on! 

Well you were having quite an easy time on the modding front compared to Mike with the Novices  

I think you came to the right conclusion, I know on the replay (especially the overhead shot) I could have given Goran more room but believe me that is much easier said than done on that corner.  I was as far right as I dare go, I've never practised going over that blind crest on anything other than the racing line.  It is much easier to take a wide line when the track is visible.

Anyway after this I won't be slowing down to let the leaders past me if I'm in a dice for position.  I won't block or intentionally get in the way but I will maintain my race pace so I don't compromise my own race.

[G Jonsson]

Mod report published - And a right old tricky one you buggers gave me to cut my teeth on! 

Hopefully I've inputted it right, and there arn't any paints that there shouldn't be....

Thanks for the Mod work Tim.

I was kind of interested to see what you would come up with, and I am totally OK with your ruling here. Of cause my grass driving the corner before the impact was my way of leaving Phil room so maybe he also should have used the grass but I do not complain, after all the pass went well didn't it?    But if I would be really honest, maybe it was me that should have backed off after all. However, if we had not been able to go on I am sure it would feel different so I will be a bit more careful next time.

Göran

[FullMetalGasket]

The hardest part of the modding was as a result of Combe being my 'home' track - I've driven it so many times both in games and in real life that it's hard for me to remember how hard Quarry is to drivers who are still learning the course!

As all involved are happy then so am I 

[bernie]

Anyway after this I won't be slowing down to let the leaders past me if I'm in a dice for position.  I won't block or intentionally get in the way but I will maintain my race pace so I don't compromise my own race

Phil I am of the opinion that maintaining your normal racing line and race pace is the correct thing to do ,any sudden change of pace or line can hinder a following car who is looking to pass , But it's the responsibilty of the overtaking car to make the pass cleanly   

[Hristo Itchov]

Anyway after this I won't be slowing down to let the leaders past me if I'm in a dice for position.  I won't block or intentionally get in the way but I will maintain my race pace so I don't compromise my own race

Phil I am of the opinion that maintaining your normal racing line and race pace is the correct thing to do ,any sudden change of pace or line can hinder a following car who is looking to pass , But it's the responsibilty of the overtaking car to make the pass cleanly  

I don't think you can draw the line and say "I'll do this and that every time I happen to be in this and that situation". It's much more dynamic than that, much more unique. Each situation is slightly different as it presents to us during each race, every time.

Sometimes the leaders have to compromise their races and wait behind backmarkers, sometimes it's the opposite, but the main thing is to be predictable and not hold someone intentionally without a good reason. You have to remain adaptable though and not race blindly according to some pre-defined plan.

One thing that I think should be clear is that a backmarker is not supposed to race the leaders in any kind of way. That's why he's the backmarker and that's what blue flags indicate. Also think how it works out if the backmarker has a car with a more powerful engine and the leading cars have weaker ones (common thing in 65s for some reason), and he/she chooses to not ease off on the straights, then how is the leader supposed to make a pass when the only places time is gained is in corners?

You can also look at it from a positive side if you're fighting someone and you have the leader(s) coming up behind you. If you let them through without much resistance, you can then slot behind them and try to use the moment when your direct competitor is letting them by to make your own move on him/her, because it's most likely that he/she would've eased off or moved off the line while you'll be arriving at proper speed slotted behind the leader(s). I've seen this happen many times and it's a good race tactic.

I've witnessed that the alternative of ignoring the leaders and racing hard has many times led to panic, mistakes and worse outcome for either of the drivers. Not so often here in UKGPL where the standart and mutual respect are very high, but in other leagues.

[bernie]

There are dangers in easing off on the straight with a faster car approaching behind , and esp. with the tow effect .

Ive been caught out when following a car, ready to pass, and they have suddenly slowed to let me by almost causing me to  rear end them , (wouldn't want to do that to anyone, not even a Waza) 

The same for moving off line can confuse a lapping car , causing collision danger .

IMO lifting off is best confined to when the lapper is alongside or braking a little earlier for the approaching corner . Also keeping normal speed and line can often be beneficial to the following car because of the tow effect .

Only my opinion of coarse but spoken with some experience of being lapped (well actually a whole bunch of being lapped experience )

To be honest , if there were a W/R for being lapped , I would have to be a close contender 

[Hristo Itchov]

There are dangers in easing off on the straight with a faster car approaching behind , and esp. with the tow effect .

Ive been caught out when following a car, ready to pass, and they have suddenly slowed to let me by almost causing me to  rear end them , (wouldn't want to do that to anyone, not even a Waza)  

The same for moving off line can confuse a lapping car , causing collision danger .

Yes, Bernie, I've had the same issue too and it's very unpleasant, but what I meant was more along the line that when the leading car moves to the side to attempt a pass the backmarker could ease off a bit and not just keep driving like there's nobody. I'm not saying it happens a lot here in UKGPL, actually it doesn't and everyone's respectful most of the time, but I was commenting on Phil's statement that if he's racing somebody he won't lift up for leaders anymore.

The best place to let someone through remains on the exit of corners, with the backmarker taking the inside line and opening the ideal line, though I agree it compromises their pace at that moment.

BTW, you are one of the most reliable and predictable drivers when you're being lapped, Bernie, and I assume it comes from the fact that you've dealt with backmarkers on your own when you were leading races in other divisions and know what it's about, having been on both sides.