5.UKGPL

[miner2049er]

Thanks Clive.

[miner2049er]

If anybody wants it I've put my Loose Grids archive here.

http://www.jamesonline.net/gpl/downloads.htm

It contains the Paul Jackson ones, the 66mod, 69 mod and night mod versions and some I wrote myself.

[Clive Loynes]

Which side would you think that pole should be at Silverstone?

I would have said on the right but I think that server was the other way.

[miner2049er]

Which side would you think that pole should be at Silverstone?

I would have said on the right but I think that server was the other way.

Hmm, well like the readme says, that will be one where I copied the Paul Jackson grid to the other grids like the 66, 69 and night mods.

I would have said the pole would be on the left personally, on the racing line then the 2nd place car gets the "dirty" side.

[Clive Loynes]

But we don't have a dirty side.

Just a side that has the inside line at the first corner.

[miner2049er]

But we don't have a dirty side.

Just a side that has the inside line at the first corner.

I know there is no "dirty" side as such with no difference in grip, but the Pole Sitter should be on the racing line I would have thought?

If UKGPL want me to change it for their races then I will, I just would have thought the left is correct.

Discuss .....................................

[Clive Loynes]

It is probably Hristo or the like that would have the most authoritative view, since they start on pole more often.

Personally I find that even if you make a good start from the left you may still not know if the inside is clear if the bloke on second is in your blind spot.  That means that you are then at a disadvantage as you have to take a wide line at Copse, leaving the door wide open.  If you start on the right you still have the advantage at Copse, even if the other bloke has drawn alongside.

It makes no difference to me as I usually start these races somewhere around 8th on the grid.

[miner2049er]

Here's an example, though not a great one. It's a race Geoff and I had last night in practise. Linky.

He was on Pole and I wasn't. Again.

Anyway, I got off to a much better start (at the risk of an engine) but due to bad driving or whatever on my part, he didn't appear in my mirrors until we were almost at T1R.

Had I been better I would have moved left a little, slightly earlier and maybe seen him sooner. Though as we know, squeezing in GPL is a bad idea.

As it was I didn't know if I was clear or not which I was, by some margin, and I could have taken the racing line and the corner, but I didn't, I lifted to keep a tight line and he drove a wide line getting back on the power earlier and even though he entered the corner behind me he came out in front by the time we got to T2L.

Like I said, not the best example, but I think the racing line is the best side for Pole.

Unless you're Alain Prost in Japan maybe.

Maybe some Pole sitters will have something to contribute.   

[vosblod]

Stupid question - do I need to save these ini's to my gpl folder for the races or does the server set the race up on a loose grid anyway?

[miner2049er]

Stupid question - do I need to save these ini's to my gpl folder for the races or does the server set the race up on a loose grid anyway?

I love stupid questions.

I ask them. A lot.

No, these are only necessary for servers, you will have them applied when you race on my server.

I suppose you could use them for your own machine if you play solo, but then you don't have the issue of lag and stupid human drivers crashing into you.

[Ken Murray]

I've had the pole position debate in real life for the bike race meetings I help organise. Muggins here gets the job of doing the grids (less of a contentious issue since the introduction of transponders) and I had the same thoughts as Clive about giving the pole man the inside line. However I was overuled by the great majority of riders who preferred pole to be on the outside and on the favoured racing line.

[Clive Loynes]

................. However I was overuled by the great majority of riders who preferred pole to be on the outside and on the favoured racing line.

Think that is a real-life grip issue there Ken.

[Ken Murray]

................. However I was overuled by the great majority of riders who preferred pole to be on the outside and on the favoured racing line.

Think that is a real-life grip issue there Ken.

Not really in bike racing Clive. There isn't a marbles problem at a bike meeting like the cars. None of the riders sited a lack of grip, merely track position.

[Hristo Itchov]

I agree that in most cases pole-position on the racing line is better, even if it's on the outside. At most tracks it's easier to brake later than the rest when you have the ideal line and even if you have to leave room on the inside you can go faster around the outside unless the driver inside ruthlessly cuts you off but in GPL league racing respect is usually high enough to avoid that. I've had many starts at tracks like Kyalami, Zandvoort and Silverstone where it's most noticeable and most of the time I had to take the outside line while carrying greater speed and keeping my position.
The start on the inside has it's advantages at some tracks with T1 exits narrowing ( i.e. Monaco) or some tracks with very tight and slow T1 (i.e. Pau).
So I think it's a matter of track. If we follow the logic wide sweeping first corners would favor outside/racing line pole while slow tight first corners would favor inside/off line pole.
Some tracks you just can't categorize though, like Mexico for example...