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November 01, 2009, 09:45:59 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 18 (2009-2010) Graduates Cup (67)
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Ken Murray
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 3:16.265
160.659mph
1 49:49.734
158.200mph
15 3:17.975
159.271mph
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john roberts
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.874
159.946mph
2 +11.376
157.600mph
15 3:18.424
158.911mph
Goodyear  
MikeBeattie
 Drake Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 6 +2.592
158.565mph
3 +43.225
155.945mph
15 3:19.612
157.965mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +2.834
158.372mph
4 +53.960
155.395mph
15 3:20.262
157.452mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 9 +3.301
158.001mph
5 +1:18.394
154.158mph
15 3:21.183
156.731mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +3.636
157.737mph
6 +1:18.570
154.149mph
15 3:20.456
157.300mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +6.098
155.817mph
7 +1:28.834
153.635mph
15 3:22.341
155.834mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
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Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 +6.356
155.619mph
8 +1:55.916
152.295mph
15 3:23.343
155.066mph
Firestone  
Hristo Itchov
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Honda RA300 F1 1967 3 +1.351
159.560mph
9 +7L
156.992mph
8 3:18.480
158.866mph
Disco
Firestone  
Andrew Hodgson
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 5 +1.855
159.154mph
10 +9L
154.972mph
6 3:18.105
159.167mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 Clark-Hill Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 4 +1.514
159.429mph
11 +11L
154.086mph
4 3:19.118
158.357mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Lorenzo Galluzzi
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 8 +3.091
158.168mph
12 +15L
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Disco
Goodyear  
4 UKGPL
 
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Congratulations to Ken, John R and Mike B.
No reported incidents so just a reminder to take care when rejoining the racing line. Don't forget the Mod team have the option to look at any incident, not just those reported.
Mention was made of lag issues and we are looking into this.

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2009, 10:00:54 PM +0000 »

Oh for Pete's sake... I cannot get a good race at Spa. I can get great qualifyings, but not actually finish a race. That's 4 on the trot at UKGPL I've not finished here. The qualifying went alright, and on a last gasp charge with 5 seconds before the flag went, I had a lap that was on target to beat Ken's impressive effort, but I screwed it up 4 corners from the end at La Carriere. 4th on the grid it had to be.

I beat Hristo on the run into Eau Rouge, and kept it on the run out. I passed John on the run down to Stavelot with a much much better exit from Masta, and then set my sights on Ken. At that point, the silly little mistakes started creeping in, and before long, I'd missed my braking point at Blanchimont, and spun around to not-face the oncoming traffic. John and Hristo screamed past, as did evilclive, but Andrew wasn't so lucky as I face a bad rejoin penalty for that. Apologies Andrew, your car literally came out of nowhere as I was watching Prib and trying not to take all of the track. Eau Rouge came next and my car went all twitchy and vaulted itself off the banking, where I ended up on the opposite side of the track upside down and in flames. The fire marshalls are very quick here, but my race was over all too early.
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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2009, 11:52:07 PM +0000 »

I had a nice chase with JR and Andrew, until Jethro took care of the latter, then I tried to catch JR but he was a bit too fast. I was lacking top speed as my throttle wasn't 100% on and therefore tried to compensate by taking more risks in corners, but eventually that bit me back as I spun into the house after Masta.

BTW, the track (and results) are missing in the overall standings page.
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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2009, 12:37:17 AM +0000 »

BTW, the track (and results) are missing in the overall standings page.
Now fixed
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« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2009, 07:37:46 AM +0000 »

Couldnt get on the server , dunno what the problem is tried all  I knew, ended up re booting and found I could joinbut then discovered it was the grads teamy server UKGPL6

With hopes raised I went to join the privateers race but got the same timed out message  :'(

It seems to me that only password protected races are a problem

I can join none pw servers OK with no probs

to say i'm gutted is an understatement ,I just feel like throwing this stupid box of tricks on the skip  Undecided Undecided Undecided

 

Bernie, I seem to be getting an increasingly difficult time joinining too.  Not sure what's triggered it.  All required ports are open on my Router.  The only thing that seemed to help was to turn off the Windows Firewall altogether, join a session, leave, turn Windows Firewall back on and things seemed to work this time.

Hope you get it sorted.
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« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2009, 09:07:26 AM +0000 »

Argh, another DNF.

After managing reliable 3:15s/16s in practice with the Eagle (what else do you drive around Spa?), I could barely break 3:19 in qually and kept visiting the scenery. Managed to get a 3:18 eventually and abandoned trying to set faster times after that.

Got off the line awfully but everyone around me was tentative through Eau Rouge so managed to hold position. Lined up behind Hristo and could have had him in the first few corners but thought it would be better not to clobber him off the track with cold tyres at the beginning of a PRO race. Phil was behind me but I started to pull away from him so concentrated on staying in touch with the Honda in front. Hristo (and JR in front of him) started to slowly pull away as the laps ticked by, but I felt in control and was under-driving the car at this point. Meanwhile, Hristo was obviously struggling on the limit with his disadvantaged white whale to keep up with the Eagles, so I decided I would pounce in the latter part of the race if he was within range.

This carefully laid plan came rather unstuck when I was ambushed by Jethro @ Blanchimont  Tongue Felt a bit sorry for him as he was broadside across the track with no real way to know I was about to come barrelling around the corner. He just clipped my rear tire, putting me up the banking. No damage was done and I was able to rejoin in front of Phil Thornton without losing position (although Phil nearly had me into the turn before La Source as I was still getting up to speed). Jethro showed a lot of remorse afterwards so I don't have any hard feelings about it. Just one of those things I guess.

Paradoxically, the incident made me drive a lot quicker, and I put in my fastest lap of the race afterwards (3:18.1) and started to reel Hristo's whale in (JW having retired at this point). However, as is always the case with my driving, I started daydreaming about what I would do if/when I caught up with him, and not paying attention to my immediate track position. As a result, I downshifted too early in Burneville on lap 7 and oversteered up into the hedge. Race over, again Sad
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« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2009, 09:14:03 AM +0000 »

Thanks Steve

The first thing I tried was the firewall , but like I said,  its OK to join on- line races that dont need a password .

The problem seems to be that Igor is throwing a corrupted password into the server , I dont think its clearing the old stuff from the register .

I try joining via IP address , type in the password ,get the timed out message , try to rejoin and I can still see the password i typed in plus some other extension which shouldnt be there  Undecided

Trouble is how do I test it ? I cant join a passworded race without a p/w to check .

last night as a reserve, I duly waited for the 30min qually signal and by that time everyone was out on track, so too late to get help , and of coarse who would have wanted to know if you were all off racing   Roll Eyes

I have no idea at all what this problem is but will try a post on RSC , maybe good old Bob Simpson can help if I can grab his attention  Smiley

Pity is I like Spa and I am rather good there so was looking to a good result with a faster chassis , now ive wasted points and wont get the starters points either , must have upset the gods this week , what with smashing my pride and joy and all i'm really fed up .

wonder if it was them Jahovas witnesses I told to "go away" last week , perhaps they put a hex on me and mine  Shocked








  
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« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2009, 09:34:56 AM +0000 »

The first thing I tried was the firewall , but like I said,  its OK to join on- line races that dont need a password .
Mystery that one, I often get timed out a couple of times then get on.
Might be worth checking your igor.ini (c/program files/gplsecrets/igor) in case there is anything odd mixed up in there.
Otherwise guess RSC is the place to go.
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« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2009, 09:48:44 AM +0000 »

Ta mate

Not sure how I would know if Igor ini is corrupted or not ?

Posted on RSC now and waiting for an angel to arrive or someone with a magic wand  Cheesy

Thinking back it seems these probs have all started since i upgraded my AVG firewall , but like I say ive turned that off and still no go,  anway it works fine joining with the firewall on and no password.



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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2009, 09:58:21 AM +0000 »

I can still see the password i typed in plus some other extension which shouldnt be there  Undecided
See if the extra extension is in the igor.ini - sounds like a Boss password? But if you accidentally put in a boss password it shouldn't stop you joining a race.
Also, should have said, when we run two grids no need to wait if you are a Reserve as there is room for everyone. I tend to wait in chat till about 30 minutes left in case there are any problems, not that I could have helped you in this instance.
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« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2009, 12:33:33 PM +0000 »

After the forum discussion about “grooves” etc in the past few days and the alien lap times being discussed…….I mean, who with human DNA can do sub 3:16’s!!!.
To add to my misery, I made the mistake of looking up some Honda setups for Spa on the track database to give me an idea as to what lap times are achievable with the whale, only to discover that some weirdo’s can do 3:14’s and below with Nippon’s finest!!!!
I confess that seeing times some 7-8 secs faster than I was getting made me feel like retiring. I was on the ragged edge through most corners and the rev counter was against the stop down the straights.
Installing the WR groove made little difference as the line was just about what I was doing anyway.
So, what makes the 7+ seconds difference?Huh  Frankly, I would be happy with 3 secs faster!!
At this point I have to confess to what is a cardinal sin and cheating in my book!! I downloaded the Honda setup of James Dayjur, in a desperate attempt to find an answer, rather than persevering with my own development. 
Although it was no quicker ( certainly not 3:14 material in my hands!!) it was much more stable through Malmedy where my setup frequently lost the rear end.
Some minor adjustments to JD’s setup gave me a solid feeling chassis, although I was a little concerned that the engine revs were right on the limit at the ends of the straights, but if it works for James then it must be ok for me ?? ( maybe!!).

After all this swapping of files etc I had only gained about 0.5 secs, which was probably down to running more laps than any great technological breakthrough. So, I gave up trying to master Spa and went to watch the TV !!  bah humbug!!
I returned just in time for the start of the race, really not expecting to a) qualify well or b) even finish the race.

The first few qually attempts merely served to confirm my worst fears, with trips into the undergrowth and scenery, usually on 3 wheels. Eventually I said “sod it!” dumped a load of fuel and went for a banzai, sh*t or bust lap and was amazed to squeak a sub 3:20 lap. OK, it was only 0.2 secs below 3:20 but in my book that was a success!!!
Still almost back of the grid with a sea of Eagles and Lotii in front..hmmmmm. not looking too good.

My only hope was a mass suicide at Eau Rouge lap 1, so I held back at the start only to be disappointed as all the aliens went through unscathed.
The race was fun and the engine held out to complete the race. Despite a race long swapping of places with Phil’s Lotus and some slipstreaming, I still did not break into the sub 3:20’s in race trim but had great fun.
The only thing I learned following a Lotus and an Eagle at various points in the race is that perhaps I am a fraction slower through each corner than they were which adds up to a few seconds by the end of the lap.
Ironically I seemed to be faster through Masta than any other car I followed which is where I thought I would lose time??!!
Grats to Ken John and Mike I will have to ( a first for me) study the replay and try and identify where I’m losing out at Spa, because this circuit is becoming a pain in the neck for me.


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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2009, 01:15:42 PM +0000 »

I ran the entire event on the wrong setup - nuf said turned

Quite pleased with my 3:22 in qualy though baring that in mind  Cheesy
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« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2009, 01:27:51 PM +0000 »

Strategically conservative was my plan for this Spa go in opting for the Brabham BT24.  Not dynamite quick around here, for sure, but likely as not to last while the Eagles and Loti melted under the hot pace.  With luck, a top 5 or even a podium wasn't out of the question.

Thanks to the grief of others, that all seemed to be working to plan since as late as L11, I was up to P5.  However, Clive and Phil were recovering from dramas and carving chunks out of my tenuous lead over them.  A little too anxious thru Malmedy on L12 had me pointing the wrong way with minor damage and I could do nought but sit and wait til they both roared by.  C'est la guerre!  In truth, they probably would have gunned me down in the remaining laps anyway.

Grats to Ken on a fine win!  Great job by JR and especially Mike after recovering from a delay.
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« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2009, 01:46:46 PM +0000 »

evilclive, I have a 3:14.9 in the Eagle, but that's hotlapping and requires about 10 laps of crashing for every one sub 3:15 lap Wink I wouldn't say I'm an alien by any stretch of the imagination.

Consider that every sector at Spa is >44 seconds. 1 second in each sector is therefore only ~2.2% improvement maximum. Virtually all of this improvement is gained from good exits from corners like Malmedy and Stavelot, that are followed by long straights where you can carry the extra speed.

For example, a good exit from Stavelot for me has me doing around 150mph in the Eagle, a poor exit and I'm doing 140-145. That's a 6% difference that is carried up a good portion of the hill to La Carriere. Blanchimont is another good place to get juicy gains, as it should be flat out after the initial 3rd gear left-hander all the way up to La Source (with maybe a tiny lift just for safety going through that left-hander just before the hairpin). Again, only low single digit percentages are requried to get a correspondingly massive sector time improvement.

Have to say most of it is the car though. Spa is the ultimate power circuit and a stable, long-wheelbase machine like the Eagle is perfectly suited to it. I don't think I'd get anywhere near 3:20 in a Honda! Shocked
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« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2009, 03:11:05 PM +0000 »

If what you say is true Andrew and all sectors are around 44secs, then I am losing 7 secs on sector 1 alone as I clock around

52secs sector 1
high 46 sec for sector 2
mid 46 sector 3
around 55 sector 4

I agree with you comment about exit speeds from the critical corners, even to the extent that having taken the first left at Blanchimont flat in 3rd I am getting into 4th at the second element and keep it welded to the floor until braking late for La Source.  ( ask Phil  Wink )

Stavelot is definitely a steady in, fast out corner in the whale, as I find that any aggressive allocation of power provokes the rear end to start a slide and tyre temps go into the ultra violet.

I will be spending an evening or two analysing the setup I stole and the actions of the aliens ( Hristo in particular!) in an attempt to see where I can salvage some dignity. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2009, 04:43:59 PM +0000 »

After the forum discussion about “grooves” etc in the past few days and the alien lap times being discussed…….I mean, who with human DNA can do sub 3:16’s!!!.
To add to my misery, I made the mistake of looking up some Honda setups for Spa on the track database to give me an idea as to what lap times are achievable with the whale, only to discover that some weirdo’s can do 3:14’s and below with Nippon’s finest!!!!
I confess that seeing times some 7-8 secs faster than I was getting made me feel like retiring. I was on the ragged edge through most corners and the rev counter was against the stop down the straights.
Installing the WR groove made little difference as the line was just about what I was doing anyway.

well Clive ,

after reading about your attempts to go fast at spa in the old rice burner i thought that i'd take it for a lap or two ...

well i did go a bit faster than my old PB but just to make you feel better my time was only 3:20.431 , just compare that to my eagle qually time of 3m17.139 shows you what a mountain you will have to climb  (btw aliens don't climb they fly) .

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