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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2010, 09:35:47 PM +0100 » |
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That is very generous of you Hristo , If you could just tell us how to drive those setups as fast as you do, then we could have everyone crossing the finishing line together
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2010, 10:40:24 PM +0100 » |
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2010, 11:00:44 PM +0100 » |
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I'm going to have to try some just to see how different they feel to mine. I was always on the lookout for that 'magic setup', which might be a common newbie error, until I eventually realised 90% of it is down to your own driving skill.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2010, 11:06:12 PM +0100 » |
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I'm going to have to try some just to see how different they feel to mine. I was always on the lookout for that 'magic setup', which might be a common newbie error, until I eventually realised 90% of it is down to your own driving skill.
I wish there was such thing as a "magic setup". Most of the time I find out that setups which I liked a couple of months ago don't suit my style anymore, so I have to make additional adjustments. Goes to show that it's mostly a personal thing, although I suspect some driving styles have higher performance potential than others. One thing that I insist on is those who are off the pace to try new approaches, new tricks, new setups, etc. It can only help, otherwise if you assume that you've reached the limit there's no point in doing the same thing over and over again, is there?
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 10:45:19 AM +0100 » |
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I firmly believe that ( assuming that your setup is half decent) 80-90% of your performance is down to the driver's performance and application for that race. There have been times when I have practised for a race until my hands were bleeding ( a little artistic licence there ) and thought I was definitely going to be contesting the top podium slot in the next day's race, only to find that when the race started I was unable to string 2 corners together without spinning. It was as if someone had loosened all the suspension bolts and disconnected the steering!! Other times I have logged on 5 minutes before the start of a race without any preparation, selected a setup from last season ( or one from a similar circuit ) popped in a mid-grid quali without any conviction and gradually eased myself into the race . I found that my pace increased and I ended up on the podium without even breaking into a sweat!! Maybe its just me, but mental attitude and focus play a much bigger part in my performances than setups..probably because I'm crap at setups anyway lol. Interestingly, my setup for Mosport was only a notch either way, on a few parameters, from the one that Hristo published, but that could be the difference between mediocre and alien lol
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2010, 05:29:35 PM +0100 » |
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I firmly believe that ( assuming that your setup is half decent) 80-90% of your performance is down to the driver's performance and application for that race. There have been times when I have practised for a race until my hands were bleeding ( a little artistic licence there ) and thought I was definitely going to be contesting the top podium slot in the next day's race, only to find that when the race started I was unable to string 2 corners together without spinning. It was as if someone had loosened all the suspension bolts and disconnected the steering!! Other times I have logged on 5 minutes before the start of a race without any preparation, selected a setup from last season ( or one from a similar circuit ) popped in a mid-grid quali without any conviction and gradually eased myself into the race . I found that my pace increased and I ended up on the podium without even breaking into a sweat!! Maybe its just me, but mental attitude and focus play a much bigger part in my performances than setups..probably because I'm crap at setups anyway lol. Interestingly, my setup for Mosport was only a notch either way, on a few parameters, from the one that Hristo published, but that could be the difference between mediocre and alien lol Yes, mental and, I dare say, spiritual disposition are very important, because there is no such thing as the perfect setup and so you always have to do some compensating to get the best out of the car. Evil, last time I tried my Mosport setup a few days ago it didn't feel good at all, lol. Too much understeer and tires going too hot too soon. It worked fine the last time I raced with it, so go figure what's going on now. I'll have to try cure it to my "new" style for the race today.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 07:54:45 PM +0100 » |
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Thanks Itchi. Will take a gander this week and see just how different they are.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 10:17:49 AM +0100 » |
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Thanks H,
I tried some of the Ferrari and Brabham 67 setups for monaco and lowered my PB right away, not that my PB are something to write home about but It is clear to me that setup has a big impact, maybe it is mental or even spiritual but anyway it works.
Oh, of cause I modified the brake bias and the diff settings a bit just to be able to keep it on the track but over all I think your setups got me thinking about my own.
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 02:09:40 PM +0100 » |
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Thanks H,
I tried some of the Ferrari and Brabham 67 setups for monaco and lowered my PB right away, not that my PB are something to write home about but It is clear to me that setup has a big impact, maybe it is mental or even spiritual but anyway it works.
Oh, of cause I modified the brake bias and the diff settings a bit just to be able to keep it on the track but over all I think your setups got me thinking about my own.
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Glad to hear, Goran, I really like some of my Ferrari and Brabham setups, had them nailed (for my style anyway) for some tracks, so nowadays I can always copy over one of those to a new track and do some modifications to make them suit it. On the other hand some setups are either old or not been worked on too much, so they need further development. For instance, I had to to do a lot of tweaking to my Honda Mosport setup yesterday to make it work well, especially for the race.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2010, 11:48:37 PM +0100 » |
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Well I don't know what you put in them Hristo but a sprinkling of it tasted very nice . I tried your Coop for Mosport 65 thinking it would not be for me and was pleasantly surprised, I say surprised as I was expecting a Martian experience that would tip me upside down on each and every corner Anyway to cut it short I'm settling on a slightly modified H setup for my new 65 Coop season and have added the letter H (in capitals) to my setup description in your honour. Thanks for the post, don't worry I don't expect to be beating you that soon...
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 12:28:17 AM +0100 » |
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Well I don't know what you put in them Hristo but a sprinkling of it tasted very nice . I tried your Coop for Mosport 65 thinking it would not be for me and was pleasantly surprised, I say surprised as I was expecting a Martian experience that would tip me upside down on each and every corner Anyway to cut it short I'm settling on a slightly modified H setup for my new 65 Coop season and have added the letter H (in capitals) to my setup description in your honour. Thanks for the post, don't worry I don't expect to be beating you that soon... Glad to hear it works for you, Tim. I think most of my 65 setups would work for anyone as long as they adjust the braking bias, steering ratio and maybe the differential to suit their taste and controllers. And on the contrary - I do hope you become fast and threaten me soon. The more competition, the merrier!
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2010, 08:44:18 AM +0100 » |
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H,
The setups are very useful but I am obviously looking for Honda setups - is the weight distribution in the 65 the same as in the 67? And if so, does that mean that other cars setups cannot be copied across? Sorry to be so dense.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2010, 03:09:00 PM +0100 » |
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H,
The setups are very useful but I am obviously looking for Honda setups - is the weight distribution in the 65 the same as in the 67? And if so, does that mean that other cars setups cannot be copied across? Sorry to be so dense.
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I have plenty of 67 Honda setups, have a look around. If you mean 65 though, I have some of those as well, you just have to find them as I can't remember which tracks they're for. About the weight distribution, I'm not sure, I've only seen data for the 67 cars. The 65 cars seem to be closer in handling to each other, so I guess you could use settings from one car to another, more or less. At least the suspension settings anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 11:58:54 AM +0100 » |
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