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« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2011, 03:04:38 PM +0000 » |
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when we where beta testing the gt mod we used standing starts but had a grid of cars in single file with a larger than normal gap between them . that way if a car got a poor start there was enough room for the following car to avoid rear ending it and also everybody could see that a car was overtaking as it was moving to the other side of the track (which was clear) .
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If the mod team was forced to modify their grids, in order to start normally, it should've occurred to someone, there was a problem. The inbuilt and unrealistic, starting defect of the Chaparral especially, is proving to be a pain. |
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« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2011, 03:05:50 PM +0000 » |
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It's not a defect. It's the way engines and transmissions work. If we all had analog clutches, it wouldn't be much of an issue.
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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2011, 03:09:05 PM +0000 » |
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If it's not a defect, then why do no other mods suffer in this way?
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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2011, 03:09:56 PM +0000 » |
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when we where beta testing the gt mod we used standing starts but had a grid of cars in single file with a larger than normal gap between them . that way if a car got a poor start there was enough room for the following car to avoid rear ending it and also everybody could see that a car was overtaking as it was moving to the other side of the track (which was clear) .
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If the mod team was forced to modify their grids, in order to start normally, it should've occurred to someone, there was a problem. The inbuilt and unrealistic, starting defect of the Chaparral especially, is proving to be a pain. we were not forced to change the grid , rather it was felt that starting like that was more in the keeping with how they raced sports cars . so it's not a problem nor unrealistic . as for the chapps they never had a proper gearbox so what do you expect ? (you know yanks can't handle gearsticks in cars  ). john |
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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2011, 03:55:21 PM +0000 » |
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It's not a defect. It's the way engines and transmissions work. If we all had analog clutches, it wouldn't be much of an issue.
We do - it's much more noticable in the GT's too  Years ago Phil told me he was certain GPL suported analogue clutchs so I tried some smooth, slow starts in the 65 mod. And they do have an analogue clutch - it's just so fine as to be nearly imposible to use! GT's have a more organic style of clutch so are easier to 'creap' I find but and still pretty damn hard to launch - Esp the Chap with it's joke system  Well, I say 'we' do - but you don't  |
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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2011, 04:46:44 PM +0000 » |
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If it's not a defect, then why do no other mods suffer in this way?
It's a 3 speed gearbox, what do you expect to happen when you set 1st gear very long so it can be used for the corners? Try setting 1st gear in any of the other mods so you can take the Lesmo corners in it, then see if you can make a good start.  |
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« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2011, 04:48:06 PM +0000 » |
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I've uploaded some footage, to illustrate my view of the start, at Brands Hatch in 1967. It's from my fathers Cini-film of the race, and my own homemade conversion, so quality is less than ideal. http://vimeo.com/20680025 |
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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2011, 04:58:49 PM +0000 » |
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I get as far as the page with the videos on Martin, but there seems to be no way of making it play?? Am I missing something here?
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« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2011, 05:05:23 PM +0000 » |
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It's from my fathers Cini-film of the race, ...
Was that the back of your head I saw there Martin? Looks like 16mm, a bit better than super 8 quality. My dad had a Sony Super 8mm in the late 60s only pictures - no sound. Race looked awesome but definitely wouldn't recommend a start formation like that for UKGPL races LOL. |
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« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2011, 05:09:07 PM +0000 » |
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Great footage of these cars. But can you imagine the carnage if we tried a start like that, maybe rolling starts are not so bad after all!
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« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2011, 05:22:11 PM +0000 » |
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They don't have warp contact as an issue and they also don't seem to be pushing very hard at all. And why would they, given the length of the race and the risk for their lives.
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« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2011, 05:34:04 PM +0000 » |
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The video uses DivX 5.02, and won't run without 5 upwards. The Cini is only super8, but the quality was amazing, for something so tiny. My shabby conversion, is there to demonstrate the skill these drivers had, in reality.
For us, it's a matter of how far from reality we must move, to race them. In USA, it used to be the norm, to roll at the start, in all kinds of racing. I think they missed out on a lot of the excitement.
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« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2011, 06:00:45 PM +0000 » |
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I don't understand what you mean by moving from reality?
A rolling start is not moving away; the idea is to reduce the risk of something happening on the first lap and try to maximise the participation for everyone. No ones trying to make things less realistic.
Perhaps if some drivers do what they did in the nice piece of footage you have posted and not try to win the race by T1 then rolling starts may not be necessary!
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« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2011, 06:38:21 PM +0000 » |
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REMEMBER THAT YOU MUST USE A DIFFERENT CAR IN EACH RACE, IF YOU USED A PORSCHE AT MONZA YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT NURBY!!! ALSO REMEMBER THAT YOU ONLY HAVE 85 TOKENS FOR ALL 5 RACES!!MAYBE A GOOD IDEA CHECK OUT THE RULES AGAIN AT https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9041.0 Ahhh Nuts! |
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« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2011, 07:18:38 PM +0000 » |
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BUT
REMEMBER THAT YOU MUST USE A DIFFERENT CAR IN EACH RACE, IF YOU USED A PORSCHE AT MONZA YOU HAVE TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT NURBY!!! ALSO REMEMBER THAT YOU ONLY HAVE 85 TOKENS FOR ALL 5 RACES!!MAYBE A GOOD IDEA CHECK OUT THE RULES AGAIN AT https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9041.0 Ahhh Nuts! Yes you've had your chance to drive the Porker . Not sure if the Nurby WR is a true indication of the pace of the Porsche but to get the second fastest car for the knock down price of 10 tokens is a bargain. However the Porsche is pretty good at Brands too (4th best WR time). |
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