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March 08, 2011, 09:45:20 PM +0000 - Adelaide (GP) - UKGPL Season 20 (2010-2011) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Artiglietti
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:33.306
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1 39:53.359
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25 1:34.272
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Dunlop  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +1.295
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2 +4.129
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25 1:34.186
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Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +2.210
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3 (+1) +36.211
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25 1:35.087
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Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +2.241
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4 +59.121
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25 1:35.725
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Dunlop  
karlisss
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +1.047
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5 +1:30.703
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25 1:35.651
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Goodyear  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 9 +3.549
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6 (+4) +1:36.752
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25 1:37.098
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Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +3.965
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7 +1L
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24 1:36.538
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Goodyear  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +2.142
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8 +18.914
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24 1:36.829
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Dunlop  
norbert
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +4.799
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9 +39.790
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24 1:38.669
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Dunlop  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +4.796
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10 +41.904
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24 1:38.487
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Dunlop  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +3.051
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11 +1:09.151
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24 1:36.658
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Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +5.186
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12 (+2) +1:11.950
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24 1:37.726
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Goodyear  
Fragfritz
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 16 +11.353
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13 +17L
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8 1:46.847
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 15 +5.821
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14 +18L
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7 1:40.068
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Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +2.740
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15 +1.055
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7 1:38.602
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Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +3.906
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16 (+7) +24L
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1 1:47.312
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL.65
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

The final race of the season was a bit of a mixed bag. Some midfield drivers had good races and some good drivers had midfield races.

The slippery surface caught a few out and a lack of practise for others was evident by the spin fest lower down the order.

I think most are ready for the rest that the season end brings, but don't forget the pickup races during the break as many will need to learn to drive new cars next season. ;-)


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Attilio uses the tarmac on the outside of the kerbs at the exit of Brewery Bend, sometimes having all four wheels over the kerb and using the extra road as track.

I previously said that this would not be moderated as it was possible that drivers could end up using that piece of road if they made a mistake through Brewery.
Therefore it will go unpunished as the same opportunity was open to all drivers.

  • Racing incident


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Karliss continually cuts the chicane at T1 when the race post clearly (in bright red letters) asks people not to do it.
He does not always seem to gain an advantage and it is sometimes clearly due to a loss of control, but during his battle with Ronnie he seems to do it intentionally, though this backfires when he has to drive through the trees back to the circuit.
Most people cut the chicane at T1 to some degree, but all the incidents below are where Karliss has all 4 wheels off the track.
0h00m54s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h09m10s cuts both parts of T1
0h10m45s cuts 1st part of T1
0h12m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h14m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h15m44s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h17m20s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h18m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h20m35s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h25m25s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh27m00s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h28m35s cuts both parts of T1
0h30m20s cuts 1st part of T1
0h31m58s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh33m33s cuts 2nd part of T1
oh35m11s cuts 1st part of T1
0h36m46s cuts 2nd part of T1
0h38m33s cuts 2nd part of T1


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Blito is a little enthusiastic heading into T1 and closes up on Rog before hitting him causing another incident behind for Billy and Norbert.


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Billy leaves the line and approaching T1 can see a car in the air,
he moves left to avoid a possible contact but moves straight into Norbert spinning them both.
Norbert was visible on the run to T1


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Nigel spins and rejoins the track on to the racing line.
Fabio avoids him but only just.
Nigel should have been prepared to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic

  • Racing incident


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Mike goes too wide at Stag and ends up spinning.
Norm takes the same route hoping not to miss out on the new racing line, but unfortunately he hits the spinning Mike.
Fabio sees Norm parked and the magnet in the front of his Ferrari instantly homes in on the metalwork of Norms car sending him skywards

All 3 have to wait for the entire field to pass before resetting
Mike resets at the same time as Fabio and is warped again so resets a second time.
All are deemed free resets.

  • Racing incident


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Fabio rear ends Fragfritz approaching the Brabham Hairpin.
Fragfritz is new to the division and is not as fast as Fabio, but Fabio is still accelerating when Fragfritz has started braking and seems to take no avoiding action.


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Martin closes quite quickly on Fragfritz and runs into the back of him.

Fragfritz was not quite at racing speed but Martin should have avoided the collision.

This should have been a Simple Rear End Shunt and would have attracted a 1 place penalty, but I have mitigated the lost place as Fragfritz was so slow and Martin caught him very quickly, but in Fabio's similar incident, he had followed Fragfritz down the whole of the straight.


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Paul runs wide into the last corner and Billy sees the opportunity to go for the gap.
He had no overlap at turn in but could see Paul running wide.
Paul recovers and accelerates again while turning back towards the racing line where Billy now is.
Both have asked for no penalty to be given.

  • Racing incident


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Billy predicts a run at the bar after the race, so heads to the beer tent to place his order and ask for it to be put on ice.

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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2011, 10:55:44 PM +0000 »

Big THANKS for that personal message from admins who let me race this challanging race in Adelaide!
so two weeks of practice , nearly some300 laps, and i went down from 1-43xx to 1-34.3 in Qual!! (actualy in qual i first time ever did laps under 35! )
so some thoughts for me:
1. first time ever, in my simracing carrier i started a race in front row, from P2!!! (i count all leagues where i raced)
2. i had figured out a right tactic to do a race with less errors as possible (be fast -let race errors stay behind)
3. was to cearful at start, and cant understand since what point in race overtaking is allowed..
    also hit wall and during 25 laps raced with uncomfortable car (but practised for that offline also)
4. easy arythmetic ... 3 errors = 3 place loss ( lost my podium at HOTEL 2 times and T1 one time...cos chasing leader cars was easy, but being fast in my own was impossible)
5. cant handle high position and pushing from behind... start nervous... when i must catch someone its more simple (must wait for more expieriance)
had great fights for P3 with M.H and with R.P. for P4
and most important
i tried hard to do a one race without collisions and errors, with sportmanship in overtaking and tried to not block, and tried to fight for position with calm head.

that was great ending of this hard and full of learning process season
thanks all!!
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2011, 11:22:07 PM +0000 »

BIG WELL DONE mate. Thought I might hold you off in the 'Who is last?' stakes but you spanked me good. Disco from ninth didn't help but you were fantastic tonight.
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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2011, 11:46:22 PM +0000 »

3. was to cearful at start, and cant understand since what point in race overtaking is allowed..
    also hit wall and during 25 laps raced with uncomfortable car (but practised for that offline also)

You can pass immediately, but remember that you don't win the race on lap one (or lap 2 for that matter), so only go for a pass which you're certain won't put yourself and others at risk. Otherwise, just go fast, but stick to your lines and be aware of where the cars around you are, and ease off the throttle slightly earlier before braking for corners if you have cars in front of you, to avoid rearending any early brakers. Once the field spreads out, you can drive as fast as you want.
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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2011, 11:49:11 PM +0000 »

Qually didnt go great but luckily started 4th, but an error on to the straight meant Martin and Ronnie were right behind me. Knowing Martin's penchant for unusual lines I let him have the inside but didn't get the power on smoothly and Ronnie went through as well.

Was following them and watching their unusual lines and went wide at Stag Hotel where I got hit by a sympathy spinner, think it was Norm and I had to wait over 30 seconds before I could reset, then I reset almost on top of Norm and got spun again, so I reset again and finally got going.

Was having fun climbing back through the field but following Norbert into T1 I misjudged how much quicker I was through there and had to tap the brakes which spun me. Got going again but I wasn't able to concentrate after that and was making silly mistakes so i couldn't make an impression on those in front, and with no pressure from behind I just drove it to the end.

Big well done to Karliss who found some amazing speed from somewhere.

Now I have to write a list of Cooper drivers for next season.
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« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2011, 01:06:36 AM +0000 »

That's easy Mike. Everyone but me and Nigel!
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« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2011, 02:04:45 AM +0000 »

Firstly my race; Shows the perils of only spending 20 minutes practicing. Got a 36.05 in prib but 39 odd in reality. If I'd spent more time I'm sure I could have eeked a bit more out but, at a track like this, Prib was probably unattainable. That said had some great racing with Billy and Norm.

Secondly congrats on the winners, to the victors the glory.

Thirdly my season - CRUDDY;
TBH this season has been a real downer for me;
- Works, I knew would be nothing to write home about but those races I've made have just been a disaster. Strongly regret moving but felt obliged.
- Nov's, not been much fun in the Coop. Would be great in a field of Coop's but watching people I could be racing pull away on the straights has not inspired me.
- Specs, I do it as feel obliged to Bill although actually some of those races have given me the best fun.

TBH I can't blame the band thing as it's not really interefered bar a couple of Nov's events I've had to miss. I think my problem is I became an in-betweener which meant no chance of much above and docked if I stay below. That said I really haven't put much praccy time in so could probably have made more of the Coop. It's a vicious circle, you see the faster chassis pulling away, lose heart and then don't have the interest to put in the pre-race time needed. From there my praccy time has fallen away as, if you have nothing to gain, it's easy to lose interest. I have drifted off to Total War and have spent much more time on that recently.

This isn't a swan song just my personal take on my season. I'll be thinking of ways during the break of how to spice my interest up as I still enjoy GPL and am happy doing the admin thing. I really don't know whether I'll move up down left right or centre. Yes all the Coop's could move to Am's and have battles at the back for last or almost last but I'm not sure that's inspirational.

Anyway I'll have a breather and take stock. Grads I will definately not carry on as is but 65's I'm in a quandry, last if you move, docked if you don't...


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« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2011, 03:04:48 AM +0000 »

It's a vicious circle, you see the faster chassis pulling away, lose heart and then don't have the interest to put in the pre-race time needed.

Knowing this was what would have happened if I had lost the slipstream for even a moment, is what motivated me in the AMs Monza race (although I have to thank those ahead for not helping each other  Grin ). If anyone wants to watch an awesome 5-6 cars battle at the front for the first half of the race, and an exciting finish at the end, get the AMs race replay.
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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2011, 08:18:27 AM +0000 »

first time ever, in my simracing carrier i started a race in front row, from P2!!! (i count all leagues where i raced)
Grats Karlisss.  Hope you can turn that into a podium next season Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2011, 09:55:05 AM +0000 »

Many congratulations to Attilio on taking the win and the title. Winning four in a row, and six in total, proves you are a worthy champion. clap I hope we can continue our rivalry in Amateurs next season, perhaps not at the front of the pack though Smiley

I am gutted to have lost the points lead at the last race but overall I've had a great season. I would rather have lost a close title battle than ran away with it as the challenge from Attilio, and being forced into the BT7, has helped me improve no end.

The highlights for me were the win and pole at Castle Combe, and Kyalami where I drove right on the limit for the whole race without making any mistakes, pressuring Attilio right to the end.

Back to Adelaide, I had a terrible time getting a clear lap in qually, it was carnage out there! But even if I had I don't think I would have got ahead of Karliss who secured his first front row slot, very well done sir!

I followed Attilio closely for the first part of the race but a spin cost me 10s or so and ended my challenge. I'm disappointed not to have pressed him until the end but it was good fun while it lasted. Thank you to those being lapped though who were all very helpful and well done to Martin on picking up third place.

The field has been very competitive this season, I think most people have shown flashes of speed at some point or another but just lack in consistency. Fabio, Ronnie, Norm and now Karliss have all got potential to take the fight to the Cooper brigade next season.

Finally a big thank you to the mod team, particularly Mike, for organising a great season, much appreciated chaps.

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« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2011, 10:31:39 AM +0000 »

OK - now that I have calmed down I feel a lot better. I practiced hard for this one and was running 1:38's for ten laps in a row in practice. Come the race and I just couldn't get it smooth. Still I was running ninth when I discoed and I had Rog, Mike, Billy and Vos behind me and that is DEFINITELY progress. Although I could only run at 1:40 in the race I was holding my own but pressure from behind is a strange thing and something I am unused to. What is really pleasing is that I have now had wheel to wheel racing at three in a row - Kya, Albi and Adelaide.

I want to say a BIG thank you to all the Novices for making me welcome and for all the support. I look forward to maybe getting some top tens next year! Not sure I'll bother with Grads as I was totally useless but I might try the Spec races instead. GTs are fun too.

Look out for a Brit Series race series - I'm expecting big support from the Novices (and hoping most of the Ams don't turn up Cheesy ).
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« Reply #55 on: March 09, 2011, 10:37:39 AM +0000 »

As always, use the link at the top to submit your race reports.
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« Reply #56 on: March 09, 2011, 01:35:31 PM +0000 »

Considered starting from back of grid as I am not fast here & I thought there may be a lot of crashes. Did a slow couple of laps & waited 10 minutes to see others times. Knew I could get in 1.36's so gave it a go but others had speeded up so I was 8th. Had collision with Mike who was trying to resume. Might just have managed to avoid him but he came back off the dreaded kerbs. Not sure if this is an on or off track incident as we were both the "wrong" side of the kerb. What constitutes the track at this dump anyway. Before I had chance to resume suffered a major impact but did not know from who or how. I now know it was Fabio. The screen started flashing & freezing alternately with a lot of noise as well which lasted 20 seconds which is a lot when you are sat there in disbelief!. Thought I would have to press escape but it eventually responded to shift R. Drove a lap whilst I thought about it as I didn't know what had happened & decided to take a S&G as I was last now anyway. Carried on till engine spluttered so shift R & S&G again. Spent the whole of the race in the company of Billy who I think may have been spinning a lot as that is how I passed him.
Well done to the podium finishers. Double whammy. Clutch blew his engine at Monza.
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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2011, 02:10:32 PM +0000 »

Adelaide will go down on the list of “Billy’s NON-favourite tracks “, along with Castle Coombe for Season 20.
Did just enough practice to work out the track & learn to stay off the kerbs which invariably would cause a  spin. Was expecting a Novices qualification time of 1.35 or so. When I saw the 1.33 I definitely knew it wasn’t my day having only managed a 1.38.5 myself.
Race fell into three stages.  Early battles with Vos & Badblood were good fun. (But wasn’t I racing the slowest man in UKGPL & why was that Honda so much quicker today?). About lap 10 I missed my brake point at the hairpin & came to a halt the wrong side of the haybales in a tent. I decided this was the beer tent & topped up with a nice cold can of Fosters which I had thoughtfully put to one side. Next few laps were spins & wobbles until I settled down for the final stages, last of the running cars but able to keep Norm in sight until the chequered flag.

Bad day for Black Night Racing with my new team mate Fabio disappearing on lap 1 & pretty bad day for the BT11’s as Norm had similar strife. On the positive side FMG picked up the title in the Ams so the Black Night trophy cabinet won’t be empty.

Congratulations to Attilio & Ross who were really a class apart this season. Not sure that next season will be any easier now Karliss is doing 3,000 lap practice sessions.
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« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2011, 02:18:35 PM +0000 »

But wasn’t I racing the slowest man in UKGPL & why was that Honda so much quicker today

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« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2011, 02:39:29 PM +0000 »

The season. Well done to Attilio a worthy champion & Ross for pushing him all the way. Also a fine debut by Ronnie taking 3rd at the last race.
For me its been a step back its 5th now with a lot less points than last time. I have pactised a lot this time except for Adelaide but I won't put that sort of effort in next season. It was too much. On chat pre Adelaide FMG  reckons 20 minutes to make a set up  - in my dreams. Or was he kidding.
Must admit I feel a bit like Vosblod slightly cheesed off but absolutely not packing up. Since Christmas I have been involved in 4 major accidents in 5 races. Some of it my own making but still its a lot. I'm also a bit bored with the BT11 but the alternatives are a big drop in power. This power difference was brought home to me when Badblood's Honda at Albi just left me for dead on the straights.
Season 21 - I'll be there alright Wink

Final thought - favourite driver to go on board with on the replay - Nigel.- Just watch that Honda rev counter & listen to the engine! Grin. and HIS engine always lasts!
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