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June 05, 2011, 10:46:51 PM +0100 - Valentino (1955) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Works (67)
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +2.660
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1 48:38.879
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31 1:32.154
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Goodyear  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +3.240
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2 +28.913
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31 1:32.968
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Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +3.485
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3 +4L
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27 1:32.953
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Goodyear  
Rick Nauman
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +2.869
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4 +20L
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11 1:34.358
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Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +2.501
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5 +29L
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2 1:37.387
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Firestone  
Baab
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 3 +2.588
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6 +30L
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1 1:44.527
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Goodyear  
ivandjj
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +6.121
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7 +3.173
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1 1:44.754
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Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +9.900
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8 +4.247
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1 1:45.958
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Firestone  
john roberts
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +7.650
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1 1:47.091
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Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 1 1:30.490
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10 +31L
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0 ---
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Firestone  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 12 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

A win for FMG leaves him at the top of the table in Works.

No reported incidents. A lap one review shows only one item; Hristo careers to the left, loses a wheel and spins. Most avoid it but Rick could not and loses places. There is mention of an 'invisible wall' and his car suddenly appears to tip sideways (well wonky) so I am inclined to agree there is more to it then a loss of control. Either way it is classed as a racing incident.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:30.490
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Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Honda RA300June 05, 2011, 10:46:51 PM +0100
S21GrW
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1967
1:32.154
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FullMetalGasket
Race
Brabham BT24 (Repco)June 05, 2011, 10:46:51 PM +0100
S21GrW
June 06, 2011, 11:21:05 AM +0100 - Valentino (1955) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Privateers (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.300
99.420mph
1 50:18.068
96.750mph
31 1:35.204
98.938mph
Goodyear  
paulwbird
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 3 +0.874
98.821mph
2 +1:08.013
94.618mph
31 1:37.037
97.069mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 9 +3.921
95.760mph
3 +1L
93.376mph
30 1:37.332
96.775mph
Firestone  
hannah
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 14 +11.328
89.054mph
4 (+2) +3L
85.185mph
28 1:41.146
93.126mph
Firestone  
miner2049er
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.256
98.426mph
5 +8L
91.396mph
23 1:36.031
98.086mph
accident
Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 +5.935
93.838mph
6 +11L
91.488mph
20 1:38.603
95.528mph
Disco
Goodyear  
s2173
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +7.240
92.634mph
7 +16L
88.508mph
15 1:39.311
94.847mph
Disco
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 1 1:34.443
99.735mph
8 +18L
96.148mph
13 1:35.515
98.616mph
Disco
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 11 +5.182
94.548mph
9 +2:57.521
84.386mph
13 1:39.836
94.348mph
Disco
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +2.178
97.487mph
10 +19L
92.214mph
12 1:37.393
96.714mph
Disco
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +3.985
95.697mph
11 +20L
87.800mph
11 1:39.843
94.341mph
suspension
Firestone  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 8 +3.389
96.280mph
12 +27L
80.495mph
4 1:45.390
89.376mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ross Neilson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.057
98.632mph
13 +30L
89.994mph
1 1:43.323
91.164mph
Disco
Goodyear  
vosblod
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 17 14 +31L
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0 ---
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unknown
Firestone  
blito
 Nessuna Speranza
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +3.045
96.620mph
Excluded +2L
89.234mph
29 1:36.785
97.322mph
Firestone  
BadBlood
 HikiWazaRacing
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 +22.798
80.341mph
DNS ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 16 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

With two previous silvers and now a win Ronnie heads up the Privateers.
A review of lap one shows two incidents, the first being one of those things the second being a loss of control, both with knock-on effects. There was also a second reset so a big reminder more then one is not a good idea.

Can I also remind you that if, in qually, you mess up a lap please leave things clear for those still on a potential hotlap and please don't try to race someone when in this position. No names this time but big brother is watching.


Server replay time: 0h00m46s

Mike J blows his engine on the start grid. S*it happens. Unfortuantely the knock-on effects were hold ups for Jason and Bernie.
Also, whilst Billy is trying to negotiate around the carnage, he clips Steve B's tyres. Whilst it is being counted as a racing incident advice to Billy as the onus was on him to either wait or make sure it was 100% clear before trying to get round.


Server replay time: 0h02m41s

Vosblod loses control and goes into a haybale. Shortly after Mike then Jason join him.
This is classed as a racing incident but it is a reminder to be aware you are running on cold tyres and be extra cautious on lap one.


Server replay time: 0h12m05s

Hannah, who had just been lapped, hit's Diki going into the corner. Hannah has closed quickly from some way back and there is no excuse for this.
It is appreciated Hannah admits his error but I am afraid the rules are clear cut and do not allow leniency. The driver ahead was in traffic and this needs to be accounted for.

The rules have this;
Blatant Rear End Shunt
"The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control."


Server replay time: 0h31m44s

Blito takes a second reset. The rules are unequivocal in that only one sh/r is allowed. Anyone taking more automatically receives a race disqualification.

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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2011, 08:06:19 PM +0100 »

My first impressions of Torino were that it was not a circuit that would allow mistakes to go unpunished. Which is why I did not take Tim's invitation to dive down the inside at T1 at the start. Although my Samb had no such fear and mugged me to sneak up the inside and push me back one position.
 I was fully expecting some carnage at T1 and had no intention of being part of it!!  Wink But as Tim observed , the leaders slipped through unscathed and it looked like sanity would prevail..until Hristo found one of those hidden posts  Roll Eyes with fatal consequences.

I had discovered this dark secret of Torino during my brief runs of practice. I was trying to get a fast exit from the corner before the tunnel and realised that there was perhaps a kerb that I could sneak two wheels across to straighten the line on the entry to the tunnel.
It worked well, despite a small bump as I dropped off the kerb back on to the roadway which did not upset the car. So, next lap I decided to try and take a bit more kerb and go even faster by straightening out the corner even more  Grin ...and it worked. Hey!! I thought "this is gonna shave a second off my lap time" by carrying so much more speed through this corner. Until about the 4th attempt when I really was pushing hard and two wheels on the right of my car vanished!!!!.   Huh?? Shocked no impact, no sound just two wheels gone??  There appears to be an invisible post or wall there somewhere  and I discovered at least 2 more spots where putting 2 wheels on to the grass or paving cannot be recommended!!!

I was following Sam quite carefully as my setup just would not get my tyres up to a good working temperature. It took 3-4 laps just to get them up to about 150F and up to 10 laps of hard driving to squeeze 200F!! not ideal when you want all the grip you can get  Undecided By the time we had completed 3 laps I had already gained 3 places and had not actually passed anyone!!! so I began to close down on Sam and apply a little pressure because I could see Tim creeping into the distance on Prib.
I had clocked a 1:32 on full fuel in my practice sessions so I knew that 1:34's would be comfortable, but Sam and I were doing 1:37's which was allowing Tim to escape. Sam had no intention of letting me pass him and he used the Brabham's grunt to get out of the slower corners quickly and prevent me getting a passing opportunity on the straights. I could close easily through the twisty sections but there was just nowhere to make a pass there...... very frustrating. Then I made a small error and clipped a kerb which gave Sam some breathing space and in my hurry to close the gap again I got on the power too early in T1-2 and came to a smoking halt sideways on to the track...even more breathing space for Sam!!
OK plenty of time left and we are 3rd so just get some quick smooth 1:33 laps in and catch Sam. but with out my Waza in his mirrors he was able to pick his speed up and I was only closing slowly. Until I came across a limping Brabham on the run up the hill after T1-2 and grinned broadly as I wellied my Waza straight past him.

A shame really Sam because we seemed pretty evenly matched for lap times and it would have been a race long duel I think. By now, and thanks to my mistakes, Tim was a good 20 secsonds in front and cruising
Not one to let him have an easy victory I pushed hard hoping that he would have just one decent incident that would allow me within striking distance....but he didn't!! Like Tim I had to check my fuel consumption with about 8 laps to go and eased back just slightly until I was sure I was ok to get to the finish, becuase I could see that Sam intended to reach the flag on 3 wheels if he could Roll Eyes

Grats to Tim for the win and Sam almost made it to the flag. a race of attrition but I thought it was a great track and just a shame so many were caught out by its dark secret nasty bits  Undecided.
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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2011, 08:28:35 PM +0100 »

Until about the 4th attempt when I really was pushing hard and two wheels on the right of my car vanished!!!!.   Huh?? Shocked no impact, no sound just two wheels gone?? 

That's exactly what happened to me - no sound, just the front right wheel silently detaching itself, lol! I wish I had gone through there during my practice runs...  Roll Eyes I wonder if I did long ago when I last raced there, but simply forgot about it. Anyway, at least I'm kinda proud of my Qualifying lap, it felt great.  Tongue
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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2011, 09:05:04 PM +0100 »

Not a lucky one: a CTD during qualify, then an error at first turn at the second lap, s+r followed by a stop'n'go then, after a second error, I had to quit...
Even if I don't like city track I found a good setup and my race pace wasn't so bad.
WD to the winner, the podium, all the survivors and everybody raced.
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« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2011, 09:52:31 PM +0100 »

Have to admit that the track is just too difficult for my level of skill ~ sorts out the men from the Billy's so to speak. I put a fair amount of practice which usually concluded with turning off the PC having decided I just can’t do this one. The only plus point is that I’ve tried out some different chassis & found out the BRM does have its merits. My attendance was based on collecting tokens and maybe surviving a few laps & picking up a few points.

Found out in qualifying that the car handling was rather different on low fuel. Went out on full tanks – binned a few promising laps due to congestion & finally got one below 1.40.

Another start line incident – 3 in 3 races. From what I can see Steve & I were squeezed avoiding a crash ahead – both cars had slowed but ran out of room – hopefully a racing incident?

Was cautious about keeping out of the way of the faster guys who could actually drive this track. Managed to get to about lap 15 with only minor brushes with the hay bales etc. Think I may have clipped a kerb, span through the undergrowth & beached myself in a flowerbed. Was about 10 laps more than I’d expected.

Oddly I suffered a couple of screen freezes in off line practice. Looks like a few others suffered with them during the race & with the invisble wall I won't be disappointed if this track gets blacklisted? I did it out of persistence – definitely no fun.
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« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2011, 10:07:41 PM +0100 »

For sure Bill.  If there was any fault it was mine.  I tried to slow as much as I could hoping you'd dive around the incident ahead of me but I think we both just ran out of room in the end.

I'm quite enjoying the BRM.  Once you get used to her, she's quite an enjoyable challenge.  Although the enjoyment is probably as much down to running with others of similar pace instead of plodding around at the back; I think Privs with a slower car was the right choice certainly for this and likely a few more seasons.
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« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2011, 01:25:49 AM +0100 »

Oddly I suffered a couple of screen freezes in off line practice. Looks like a few others suffered with them during the race & with the invisble wall I won't be disappointed if this track gets blacklisted? I did it out of persistence – definitely no fun.

bad luck bill , it now looks like Ginetto has now fixed the track so we can race there again

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6956&pid=63227&st=0&#entry63227

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« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2011, 09:32:42 AM +0100 »

I really enjoyed the track and we should use it again.

Sorry Bill.
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« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2011, 11:33:16 AM +0100 »

I've downloaded the replay now.  I actually crunched the red car (Arf Arf Arf) on lap 3 and was not out of control as I remembered.  I went into a skid trying to tighten my turn to avoid the parked car.  Luckily it wasn't disastrous to my already crappy race but it could have been worse.  Arf, you might want to think about punching out a little quicker when you're motionless on the racing line on a blind curve.  The flagman was worthless, being himself hidden and only 50ft ahead of your car.

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Sorry for the delay in replying - had to check the replay to confirm you were right to blame me. You were, and I'm really sorry.

I had to check the replay to see anyone had hit me, as I didn't notice at the time! I knew my race was run almost as soon as I lost control whilst braking. The moment I hit the wall and my front right was ripped off I actually hit Esc/Enter and then put my head in my hands at such a stupid mistake. After a few seconds I looked up again, and saw I was still on track. In hitting esc/enter (and maybe in frustration) I'd knocked the keyboard off the side of my desk - must have been retrieving it when you came round the corner....

I now realise that when practicing offline you can escape at any time, but online it seems you have to be stationary before it'll work.....

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« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2011, 11:35:42 AM +0100 »

That's correct Arf, when online the car must be stationary to escape out of the race  Smiley

That's part of the reason for H's gymnastics display in the tunnel as he had no way of quiting till the dance was over  Grin
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« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2011, 05:53:54 PM +0100 »

The privateers replay of the Torino race posted appears to be the Westwood race from 22nd May?? Does anyone have a copy of the Torino race?
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« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2011, 06:02:33 PM +0100 »

Sorry for the delay in replying - had to check the replay to confirm you were right to blame me. You were, and I'm really sorry.
No problem really.  As I said, my race was already in the tank before this happened.  And I was able to carry on... for a while anyway.

The moment I hit the wall and my front right was ripped off I actually hit Esc/Enter and then put my head in my hands at such a stupid mistake. After a few seconds I looked up again, and saw I was still on track. In hitting esc/enter (and maybe in frustration) I'd knocked the keyboard off the side of my desk - must have been retrieving it when you came round the corner....

Quite funny actually!   Cheesy
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« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2011, 07:17:40 PM +0100 »

The privateers replay of the Torino race posted appears to be the Westwood race from 22nd May?? Does anyone have a copy of the Torino race?

Make that a double !  I've already made a private request to 2 of our overseers, to prevent your win being censored, but expect they're taking a break.  Can't blame them really. 2guns                                   nono
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« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2011, 08:56:48 PM +0100 »

I'll check Fixed
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« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2011, 10:51:10 PM +0100 »

I'll check Fixed
Thanks Paul - must have clicked the wrong button when doing the ftp transfer...
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« Reply #74 on: June 13, 2011, 10:53:45 PM +0100 »

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