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  • S21Pro Bikerneiki: July 26, 2011
July 26, 2011, 09:39:15 PM +0100 - Biķernieku (Long) - UKGPL Season 21 (2011) Pro (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Hristo Itchov
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:24.072
97.454mph
1 49:43.082
96.129mph
35 1:24.226
97.276mph
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.898
95.302mph
2 +1:09.664
93.935mph
35 1:25.939
95.337mph
Dunlop  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +3.036
94.057mph
3 +1L
93.330mph
34 1:26.455
94.768mph
Goodyear  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +1.580
95.656mph
4 +33.141
92.305mph
34 1:26.595
94.614mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +3.702
93.344mph
5 +1:05.297
91.332mph
34 1:27.114
94.051mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +10.777
86.381mph
6 +4L
84.223mph
31 1:31.052
89.983mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 3 +1.424
95.831mph
7 (+4) +28L
92.862mph
7 1:26.711
94.488mph
Disco
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 HikiWazaRacing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +2.266
94.896mph
8 +4.909
92.130mph
7 1:27.172
93.988mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +2.969
94.130mph
9 +30L
90.076mph
5 1:28.681
92.389mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +0.754
96.588mph
10 +31L
89.838mph
4 1:26.991
94.184mph
Disco
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 11 12 ---
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Dunlop  

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Hristo takes victory after a long and rather lonely race - leaving FMG and Clutch to pounce on the remaining podium steps.

Bernie completed our list of finishers, despite LM2 having Libelled him as a DNF.


Server replay time: 0h11m45s

Natan makes a mistake exiting Bridge and Tim (FMG) gets a run approaching Hospital corner.
Tim has achieved overlap and is alongside entering Hospital but Natan turns in, and despite Tims attempt at avoidance they make contact, with both cars being spun.

Simple Side by Side contact: Penalty 1 Place
In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.


Server replay time: 0h11m51s

Following on immediatly from the contact with Tim, Natan pulls straight back onto the track where Clive collides with him at full racing speed. Clive had no time to avoid Natan, who himself had come to rest facing towards the oncoming traffic and therefore could clearly see it was not safe to attempt to rejoin - especially right on the racing line.

Appallingly Bad Rejoin:

1. The rejoining driver was in full control and drove straight back onto the racing line without any consideration for other drivers and contact was made.

It is imperative when rejoining after a spin or contact, that a recovering driver ensures it is safe to rejoin before entering the track.
In some locations this is not an overly easy task but on a clearly sighted corner like this one - this accident simply should never have happened.
Penalty: 3 places.

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F1 1965
1:24.072
97.454mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Brabham BT7 (Climax)July 26, 2011, 09:39:15 PM +0100
S21Pro
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
1:24.226
97.276mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Brabham BT7 (Climax)July 26, 2011, 09:39:15 PM +0100
S21Pro
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 09:48:00 AM +0100 »

Notice in results the server has me as disco Huh

I was running at the chequered on my PC and other cars around at the finish -4 laps down but finished  Grin

My P6 would be the same however  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 10:07:51 AM +0100 »

When a driver is 4 laps down the leader GPL marks it as not classified (red in result page), I guess the SROUK import utility read this as Disco.
Ciao

Notice in results the server has me as disco Huh

I was running at the chequered on my PC and other cars around at the finish -4 laps down but finished  Grin

My P6 would be the same however  Roll Eyes


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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 01:44:02 PM +0100 »

I blame Hristo , obviously he should be penalised more , may I suggest we pull his plug out at the first sign of a blue flag being waved  Cheesy

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 06:24:32 PM +0100 »

As soon as I brought the car on 3 wheels to the finish in the previous race, I vowed to prepare so well for the next one that I wouldn't have to deal with the likes of Nat whatsoever, so I started practicing one very same night back then, and kept doing practice runs throughout the 2 weeks period before yesterday. The fact that the track layout seemed rewarding towards driving ability more than car advantage was in my favor and so the only thing I had to do is get used to my new wheel and work out a good setup.

Neither was easy to do as braking while holding the wheel with one hand and dealing with FF at the same time took a while to get used to, and then the setup part turned out to be much more complicated than usual. In fact, I came up with a setup that felt both fast and consistent just yesterday before the race, after an hour or two of practice. I probably have about 20 setup revisions for this track alone now, lol. Although the setup didn't allow me to reach or better my PB from earlier days (which was a 23.7), it was easier to drive lap after lap and handled both T2 braking zone and the jump very well.

Qualifying went better than expected, as it appeared the others were simply not as prepared as I was, taking wrong lines or lifting up where they shouldn't, but still Raoni, as in all previous races, managed to do a very good lap and come within 6-7 tenths in 2nd place. I would imagine this must be a very difficult track to do with keyboard, so well done to him!

The start of the race was good and as always, Raoni dropped back because of using keys. I went a bit cautious in the opening laps as I haven't practiced with more fuel, but the car felt OK. The problem was you never concentrate fully when you ease off, so after a few laps I made a mistake in the braking for T2 and went off into the grass on the outside, but managed to rejoin just as Nat arrived.

From there on I drove just about flat out, only looking after the engine, and didn't make any big mistakes anymore, apart from a bad landing at the jump on one lap later in the race. By the time Tim appeared in 2nd place, he was too far back and so I only focused on dealing with backmarkers, most of which were in the form of Bernie learning the track during the race.  Cheesy It was a close call during one of those times when I caught him up at T1 as he was going much too slow, so I narrowly missed him on the inside and then we braked side by side for T2 and he choose to go off to avoid hitting me.

Looking at the remaining races, Spa is going to be impossible to win or maybe even get a podium, so my only option would be to win all other races and see how the championship turns out in the end.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2011, 06:49:40 PM +0100 »

Looking at the remaining races, Spa is going to be impossible to win or maybe even get a podium, so my only option would be to win all other races and see how the championship turns out in the end.

Sure you can win it. It wont be easy, but it's possible Wink It's not Monza, where on the exit from Parabolica, Lotus/BRM/etc. will allways be able to pass BT7/Cooper before the finish line.
Spa is completely different. As long as you'll be able to stay with the leaders till the end of the race(and this can be done Wink ), you can made pass at the last corner and keep it till the finish line Wink
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2011, 08:36:02 PM +0100 »

Congrats to Hristo, FMG and Clutch.

Disastrous race for me. Connection issues to the race server for the second event in a row, wiped out in qualifying on my flying lap, then early retirement from the race due to a blown engine.

On the subject of qualifying, since we don't moderate this session, could I ask for a little more consideration. If someone is on their own flying lap don't close on them, dive down the inside of a corner out of sight, knock them off track and continue on your way. I don't care if you are faster, you should back off and make space for yourself instead of ruining someone else's lap.

Rant over, race over move on.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2011, 08:56:38 PM +0100 »

Looking at the remaining races, Spa is going to be impossible to win or maybe even get a podium, so my only option would be to win all other races and see how the championship turns out in the end.

Sure you can win it. It wont be easy, but it's possible Wink It's not Monza, where on the exit from Parabolica, Lotus/BRM/etc. will allways be able to pass BT7/Cooper before the finish line.
Spa is completely different. As long as you'll be able to stay with the leaders till the end of the race(and this can be done Wink ), you can made pass at the last corner and keep it till the finish line Wink

If I couldn't hold back Nat in BRM and Raoni in Honda at a track like Salzburgring, there's NO WAY I will do it at Spa. Unless you were being sarcastic.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2011, 09:05:14 PM +0100 »

Bit of a bonus result this one.

3 seconds a lap off the pace in Qually and suffering some framerate issues, so i decided just to hang in there and see what happened.

My race pace was a couple of seconds a lap off the leader, but i manged to catch a couple of people and got lucky avoiding some crashes. As in a couple of other races i had a good battle with G Jonsson, but after he went wide (i think) it looked like i had no chance of catching second, so decided to back off for the remaining 15+ laps.

Towards the end H was catching easily as i slowed my pace a little so i was happy to let him by and do one less lap to secure 3rd.

My result was lucky, but made up for my unlucky DNF on the grid at Salzburgring so i have an outside shot at the Championship. I can't win it on pace or talent, so will have to hope that i'm in the right place at the right time. Its certainly anybody's Championship with 5 people in with a shot, with others further down the standings capable of taking race wins, so who knows.

Well done to ALL finishers on this difficult track. To survive it was an achievement.  Smiley

Amaroo Park next. Only done a few laps and couldn't get into the groove, so not too confident
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2011, 09:27:25 PM +0100 »

If I couldn't hold back Nat in BRM and Raoni in Honda at a track like Salzburgring, there's NO WAY I will do it at Spa. Unless you were being sarcastic.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic Hristo.

My point is that with proper use of the tow, BT7/Cooper can keep up with the leaders on tracks like Monza or Spa.
The biggest difference between those tracks is the distance between exit from last corner and finish line. At Monza this distance is very long and BT7/Cooper will be easily overtaken by faster car. At Spa this distance is a lot shorter plus La Source is very slow and tight corner and IMO next real/safe opportunity to pass is afther Eau Rouge.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2011, 09:58:59 PM +0100 »

If I couldn't hold back Nat in BRM and Raoni in Honda at a track like Salzburgring, there's NO WAY I will do it at Spa. Unless you were being sarcastic.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic Hristo.

My point is that with proper use of the tow, BT7/Cooper can keep up with the leaders on tracks like Monza or Spa.
The biggest difference between those tracks is the distance between exit from last corner and finish line. At Monza this distance is very long and BT7/Cooper will be easily overtaken by faster car. At Spa this distance is a lot shorter plus La Source is very slow and tight corner and IMO next real/safe opportunity to pass is afther Eau Rouge.


Yes, but it depends on the drivers in the faster cars. At the Monza race last season I could keep up by using the slipstream and even have a shot at victory, but that was partially because of some incidents on lap 1. Nowadays we have someone like Raoni who's fast in both corners and down the straights, and then there are BRM drivers who pull away so fast that if you lose the slipstream for even a moment, your chances are gone. Anyway, I wasn't complaining, just thinking out loud of my chances. There are no guarantees I can win the other races, anything can still happen. The starts are usually critical as the BT7 simply loses ground after the first 100-200 meters.
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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2011, 10:21:54 PM +0100 »

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I only focused on dealing with backmarkers, most of which were in the form of Bernie learning the track during the race.   It was a close call during one of those times when I caught him up at T1 as he was going much too slow, so I narrowly missed him on the inside and then we braked side by side for T2 and he choose to go off to avoid hitting me.



One of the hardest sequence of corners to learn was the final fast right then left onto the pits straight Then the bit into the slow right .

There I was thinking " getting the hang of this place now "

I had just completed what I thought was a "good lap"  going into the slow right , all the time watching for signs of the leaders coming up behind when suddenly mid corner Hristo appeared as if from nowhere, right alongside me (scared the "jimmy brits" out of me he did ) couldnt beleive the speed you were doing that sequence H , really made me realise how crap I am these days , though after watching you and Tim on the replay I realised why I was losing 5 secs or more per lap there due no doubt to not using the full track width on the corner entry, and to be honest with myself I wasn't feeling to good having not fully recovered from my dentist's physical abuse attack on some root canal work that afternoon  Shocked


And yes I was unlucky not to have taken you off , must try harder next time  Grin   
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2011, 01:04:51 AM +0100 »

On the subject of qualifying, since we don't moderate this session
That's a slightly mute point as we, technically, can also look at anything in qualifying. You can submit a report and indicate a time and make it clear it was in qualifying.
The Penalty Guidlines don't say 'during a race'.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2011, 04:49:04 PM +0100 »

On the subject of qualifying, since we don't moderate this session
That's a slightly mute point as we, technically, can also look at anything in qualifying. You can submit a report and indicate a time and make it clear it was in qualifying.
The Penalty Guidelines don't say 'during a race'.
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I made my point and that's good enough for me. I had a bad night of my own doing primarily and really need to get my ongoing connection issues sorted. But thanks for pointing it out. Hopefully others will heed this information if they are not aware of it already.
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2011, 02:47:09 PM +0100 »

Which Amaroo Park for the next race, 1967 or 1996 track??
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2011, 07:36:47 AM +0100 »

67 Smiley
I think it should say that in the signing on thread, apologies if it doesn't Embarrassed

Edit: Just checked and it didn't say. My fault, have updated it with the correct link now - Race thread will go up on Tuesday will all the relevant details so as to avoid cluttering the forum too much  Smiley
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