@TurkeyMachine Do you really think you became a better driver because of the penalties in S18 and not by getting more experienced because of driving in more races? What you said there seems like a rationalization to me.
I have a question. Who is the moderator that posted the report and who decided to do the punishments and why is the penalty 3 places and not 2, 4, 1 or 10 places?
Florian
Now, you are asking questions that you should knew BEFORE the race.
You should have read this page (indicating you the specific rules about Historics season and who is the moderator)
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=429&theme=6And moreover the penalties guidelines :
https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/penalties And btw, if you think punishment achieves anything good, you are wrong. The one who is without sin may throw the first stone. Punishment for "wrong" behavior is like the mom that slaps her 5 year old for smacking his brother.
Thats your point of view, and like another PoV it could be respectable BUT there are written rules and nobody should ignore it.
Somebody wrote this “Entre le fort et le faible, entre le riche et le pauvre, entre le maître et le serviteur, c'est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit »
which could be translated in
« Between the strong and the weak, between the rich and the poor man, between master and servant, it is the freedom which oppresses and the law which frees “
Personally, I would have (slightly, of course) slap my 5 years old boy in the situation you described.
What I feel very disappointing is at any time, you started any apologies to other drivers you ruined their race.
By the way, a penalty of 3 places will change nothing to the championship as you already had 0 point for this race. In such a case, I think the rules should be updated (remove some points, force the driver to start at the end of the next race grid …but in this case he will be a danger for slow drivers ! not easy)
There you have it. Crashing into someone is of course "wrong". Why? Because right and false do not exist. Therefore wrong doesn´t exist.
It seems you are really very young
Edit: And thanks Arturo for making me realize this.
Which Arturo ? Merzario ?
Well, my PoV is the opposite. Everybody should ignore the written rules. You dont follow a rule only because I wrote it down do you? But I can´t find the source in the guidelines. Who wrote them all? I can´t find any names. I want to ask him about them, especially about my case.
"Side by Side Contact
The limited lateral view in GPL makes incidents of this type very likely. However they can be avoided if drivers are cognizant of the position, or expected position, of other cars. This requires the development of a sixth sense to be sure where all the other cars are, especially on the first lap. However, if in doubt drivers should always leave room.
The key features to consider here are:
Was the shunter in control?
Was the victim in control?
How much overlap had been achieved?
Typical Scenarios:
Blatant Side by Side contact: Penalty 2 Places
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake but cuts back in too early. The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever and was in full control when the incident took place. There was no loss of control. Penalty for overtaking driver.
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. There was no loss of control. Penalty for overtaken driver.
Simple Side by Side contact: Penalty 1 Place
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake but cuts back in too early. There was some loss of control. Penalty for overtaking driver.
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has NOT achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. Penalty for overtaken driver.
On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake and both drivers drift off line. Penalty for both drivers.
In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver moves over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Penalty for driver that moves over.
Marginal Side by Side contact: Warning
In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver looses control and strays from their side of the track. Contact is made. Warning for driver that moves over.
Contested Side by Side contact: Racing Incident
In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. Both drivers move over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made. Racing Incident."
Blatant side by side contact, why 2 Places? Why not 1, 3 or 4?
Simple Side by Side contact, why 1 place. Why not 2, 3 or 4?
What the person who wrote that says is that the game itself has limited lateral view. He says that one has to develop a sixth sense in order to be aware of the position of every other car. Is that sixth sense developed by penalties or by driving more?
Another problem is what is if I don´t understand this text at all, because English is not my native language? For example I would bet that Tristan has a huge problem to understand all that rules, but he drives anyway and is a very quick driver.
The sentence that Henri Lacordaire wrote there is horrible! It reminds me of 1984, where people say things like war is peace and peace is war. The thing is he might not have had the same opinion in his life after writing this. I read in short about his life on wiki and it said that he revoked all the things he had said in the "avenir". So if the sentence is from that time he later said the opposite. Problem is we can´t ask him now about that. But the thing is only because a person says something it doesn´t mean it´s true. You wouldn´t be my opinion only because I said Tarso Marques is the greatest driver of all time, would you?
Don´t you see the bittersweet irony in that situation with the mom and her 5 year old? The mom thinks the behavior of her son is wrong towards his brothers. She thinks it is not ok that he hurts his brother physically. And so what she does? She hurts her son physically because he hurts someoneelse physically. How can you make clear to someone that stealing is wrong by stealing him? In fact what the mom did there is she basically showed him that it is in fact ok that he does that to his brother. The next time his brothers takes his candys he thinks even more, yes now i have to smack him. And then mom does the same to him. It´s a vicious circle, can´t you see?
Why do you feel disappointed that I didn´t apologize? I explained myself and I do not feel any guilt, so I have no reason to apologize. Only because you think I am guilty I don´t have to think the same, do I?
I don´t care that a penalty of 3 places changes nothing. I don´t talk about this because I feel the need to achieve something better for myself. I talk about this because I feel all this penalty stuff doesn´t make sense. So who can in fact update this text? I wanna talk to him and ask him if it is possible to delete the whole text.
So how young do you have to be to make that statement that right and wrong doesn´t exist? And if it exists, who knows what is right and wrong? You? The parents teaching their children? Children should not become grownups, grownups should become children.
I know that I know nothing - Sokrates