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November 18, 2008, 09:24:36 PM +0000 - Rouen (1955-70) - UKGPL Season 16 (2008) Novice '65
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Samb
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BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 1 2:05.791
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1 38:23.316
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18 2:06.179
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Dunlop  
Geoff65
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 7 +3.036
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2 +29.610
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18 2:08.322
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Goodyear  
Clutch4
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.838
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3 +41.703
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18 2:08.346
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Goodyear  
happyal
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 6 +2.815
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4 +1:17.002
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18 2:09.386
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Dunlop  
petestenning
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +2.397
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5 +1:33.785
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18 2:08.406
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Goodyear  
miner2049er
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 5 +2.672
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6 +1:43.025
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18 2:09.588
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Goodyear  
b_1_rd
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1:57.634
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18 2:09.884
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Goodyear  
Asbjeurn Tverberg
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +0.813
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8 +1L
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17 2:07.754
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Dunlop  
Steve Busa
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +4.594
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9 (+2) +37.173
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17 2:10.602
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Dunlop  
vosblod
 
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +7.303
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10 +50.789
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17 2:12.830
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Dunlop  
Blunder
 Team Oldie Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +3.967
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11 +4L
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14 2:09.659
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Dunlop  
norbert
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +3.174
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12 +11L
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7 2:11.800
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Dunlop  
5 UKGPL
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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A lonely race for Sam, despite the added Hondas of Geoff and Pete, who wouldn't normally be considered beginners. Asbjeurn, Norbert and Steve Bird, the more usual competition, all had problems.

Geoff and Pete might be too fast for the Novices in Hondas- though at least they shouldn't improve! Next season the more experienced drivers will be in BT7s or Coopers, perhaps I should have asked them to drop cars this season, it remains an option.

Solid debut by Clutch for third. I also noticed Martin going off at Scirie to avoid Mike after Mike had braked early- well done there.

Drivers seemed to be in the pits for often obscure sngs, and I'm sure Martin perfomed one simply because that car ahead had stopped? I also suspect that Steve Busa owed me one after a collision with a tree, but since he was lapped and it wouldn't affect the results, I'll allow someone else to have done Steve's extra sng, there were enough to go round.


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L1 Nouveau Monde

Al has an unusual line at the hairpin, perhaps affected by Mike stuck on the polos. Steve Busa rear-ends him, though the contact is slight and Al is able to stay on track.

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L1 approaching Sanson

Steve Bird slides and spins on the grass- though he seems to be pointing in the right direction his rear wheels are still on the grass and when he presses the throttle he rejoins straight into Vlad- he should have braked and waited.

No penalty on Vlad's request, with no other drivers affected. However, drivers should be aware that if they fail to brake and stop when there are following cars, in order to attempt a quick rejoin, they will be penalised under most circumstances.


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L6 Six-Freres

Norbert's error allows Steve Busa past, but he cuts back in too soon before Norbert has appeared in his mirrors, and in a braking zone. Norbert was well over on his side and only seems to rear-end Steve later because of the earlier contact.

Steve's peculiar recovery distracts the approaching Steve Bird and he ends up in the polos- enough for him to avoid any yellow card points.

  • Steve Busa — Simple side-by-side contact — 1 place lost


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L9 Nouveau Monde

Steve Busa is on the polos and reverses before Steve Bird is past, there is slight contact but Steve keeps it on the track.

I've classed this as if there was no contact, but drivers should be aware that in a race they are liable to be disqualified if they reverse on track- don't, if there are other cars nearby, you might not be able to spot trailing cars.

  • Steve Busacaution — Inconsiderate Bad Rejoin


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L9 Paradis

Steve Busa rear-ends Vlad, who was on the inside after passing him and had to slow. Steve was in Vlad's mirrors, so Vlad had the right to come across the track, he had also left room for Steve on the outside.

I've classed this as a simple shunt as Steve struggled with his Lotus all race- Steve if you want to change chassis you have the option, but perhaps you might profit from altering your wheel setup?

  • Steve Busapenalty — Simple Rear End Shunt — 1 place lost

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« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2008, 02:36:07 PM +0000 »

Have added you on GPLRank as well Pete.

Hope you get some good racing.  That's what it's all about.

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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2008, 06:46:11 PM +0000 »

Steve, if you have a look at the replay, after you came back off the fence you were at about 15 mph with your back wheels still on the grass.  Vlad was approaching at 85 mph and still had the other half of the track to aim at.  If you'd braked hard you'd have stopped and Vlad would have made it through.  Though your car was pointing across the track your wheels were in the right direction- however, when you touched the throttle, you ended up going off at 90 degrees into Vlad. 

Even if you had got grip from both tyres you would have been in front of Vlad at about 20mph, and Vlad hasn't enough time to switch lanes.  However the point is that you should brake to a stop from that sort of accident when you know there are cars behind you, and at pro level you would need to, as there's no chance for the car behind to have a free reset.  It might only be a touch on the throttle, but the few yards that you move are all that the car behind you has to aim for.  You have to counter the instinct to be back on the throttle.

Pete, what I meant was that if I consider that you, Geoff or other experienced drivers who prefer the Novices are becoming too fast I'll ask you to drop cars rather than you having to move up the the Amateurs.  I'd rather you drive your Hondas without being worried about being moved up a division.  The tracks we have coming up will reward experience over faster cars, also the division may be slower next season as the faster drivers move up.  You seemed to make an unnecessary pit stop at Rouen- I might have missed something, or was it wheel trouble or bum ache? 
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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2008, 07:59:18 PM +0000 »

I had a shift R two laps before the S/G and was not sure so stopped anywway.

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« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2008, 09:30:04 PM +0000 »

Okay- the sng rules for the Novices on a Novices-only grid are that you take a sng as soon as you can for any reset, unless due to a collision where you're not responsible.  I tend to ignore needed sngs if drivers are lapped, and for Novices on the Amateurs grid when they run together.  If in doubt don't sng.

I wouldn't ask anyone to change chassis without a few drives first, I'm happy that you're enjoying it.
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« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2008, 01:15:25 PM +0000 »

I should have not S/G i would have been one place better off , but thats an IF and i know IFs dont mean nought lol.

I saw so many pitting i assumed i had to, and anyway i dont want to get in the way of title contenders if i can.

If i am proving to quick i will change car by my own choice , but only if i win outright .

We did a Cooper spec 65 race at Rouen before that race so i would have been about the same pace within a second , but i had more offs lol.


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« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2008, 02:46:23 PM +0000 »


Pete, what I meant was that if I consider that you, Geoff or other experienced drivers who prefer the Novices are becoming too fast I'll ask you to drop cars rather than you having to move up the the Amateurs.  I'd rather you drive your Hondas without being worried about being moved up a division.

 

If the rate of joinup continues......we may even need a 3rd, Intermediate class in 65's.
Take the bottom 5 finishers in Novice to form the Nucleus of the Novice class. Then take the last 5 from Amateurs and insert them in the Intermediate Category, with the top 10-13 being the Pro racers......This system should bring the cream to the top. It will draw racers to UKGPL if it works well.
Worth a thought mate
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PS: I don't mind changing cars either.....I think Sam's cryin' out for the Cooper....... Grin angel
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« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2008, 03:05:33 PM +0000 »

Silverstone looks like being a blast.......Some quick boys appearin' there. :  Grin
Seein' some high 33's just lately with some. helpsmilie
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« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2008, 06:43:03 PM +0000 »

You were right to pit Pete, and you should have done so on that lap.  It seems that most of the resets didn't show up on the mechanical report for some reason, I'll make sure to check using the detailed race report next time.

Three divisions would be good, one for fast drivers, one for slower drivers and another for online novices.  The more divisions the better the races.  However we'd probably need the combined resources of two or more leagues to achieve that.

Thanks for offering to change Geoff, I'm happy as it is for Silverstone.  You were faster than me at Rouen, maybe I should change leagues with Sam?  It seems fairer to allow online beginners at least one full season in the Novices though.  Pro might catch them out the following season, if they haven't used reliable setups or gear changes!
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« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2008, 07:30:22 PM +0000 »

I could give the Amatures a go, although it would be nice to win the Novices. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try a couple of races in the Amatures and let the rest of the Novices fight for victory at Silverstone.
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« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2008, 08:11:03 PM +0000 »

As an aside i am talking to my guys about running a novice 65's league as originally i started GBGPL as a novice/newbie online league some years ago and still have a novice 67 division .

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« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2008, 03:19:37 AM +0000 »

I could give the Amatures a go, although it would be nice to win the Novices. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try a couple of races in the Amatures and let the rest of the Novices fight for victory at Silverstone.

That was a tongue-in-cheek comment..............not an instruction Sam...........lol   angel
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