DLogan
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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 07:06:49 PM +0000 » |
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The series will now be split as follows... That's not what we signed up for. I'm assuming that the reasons are the sparse grids in heavies last season, and the 18-9 list in subscriptions for the new. If three are moved from Lights to Heavies, a 15-12 split should see a more equal server load. If we look at the results from the previous season, there are three drivers who, despite contesting almost every round, failed to podium. Invoking "...We reserve the right to move you into the correct division..." on those three would allow everyone else to race in the series they signed up for.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 08:49:08 PM +0000 » |
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Don't help much, but I agree with everyone, including mod team If only there were more participants/or some of them were not quite as good/consistent. I must admit, when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like. Although, when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too! So, from here, looks like a tough season already. Still - will be good to get started; either like this or if there are some further re-arrangements. In closing, the efforts running this stuff are appreciated. Cheers, Dave.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2014, 09:58:43 PM +0000 » |
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I was a bit short of time yesterday & did not have a chance to explain the driver allocation.
First - ignore the fact that the Grids are called Heavy & Light. They are two roughly equal groups. The series was set up as Heavy & Light & too difficult to change.
There are too many registrations to have one grid. Last season drivers missed out on at least one race. What I want to achieve is two separate grids that are stable enough to run all season.
The second difficulty was that we had far more Light drivers than Heavy. There are various ways of splitting these up. Each grid has a similar amount of Full Time & Reserve drivers. There is a reasonable spread of ability in each group. The differences in speed are less with the Formula 2 Mod than some others. A few drivers like myself will be backmarkers in most races. Some of the middle ability drivers achieved some good qualifying & finishes last season.
This allocation is also easier to slot in new drivers who sign up mid-term.
The allocation is not perfect but I've tried to make it fair, workable so everyone can enjoy the series.
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2014, 10:59:44 PM +0000 » |
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So how how many F2 champions at the end of the season 1, 2 or 4
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DLogan
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2014, 11:14:39 PM +0000 » |
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But it's not one series, it's two (with an arbitrary split), just scored commonly, somehow. Are points going to paid based on race position, or time, or a combination? What allowances will be made for hiccups on race server A that don't affect drivers on race server B? If you feel the Heavy grid needs buffering, move some of the ones from the Lights who haven't shown the speed to challenge the front runners or the consistency to exploit their (for me, still quite frequent ) errors. With 27 registrations, a 15 Light/ 12 Heavy should allow for latecomers without issue. The signup for this series explicitly contains the proviso "... We reserve the right to move you into the correct division..." without mentioning conditions or even reasons for that move, whereas changing the basic nature of this championship a few days before the off, nope, I'm not finding it there.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 11:31:10 AM +0000 » |
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I must admit, when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like. Although, when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too!
Are you the same Dave Curtis who posted a GPL Rank of -34000 the other day? That means we should all be scared of you!!!
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 12:54:02 PM +0000 » |
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I must admit, when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like. Although, when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too!
Are you the same Dave Curtis who posted a GPL Rank of -34000 the other day? That means we should all be scared of you!!! Er, it must have been someone else. Ahem. I also have the obviously the value was so high, it wrapped around somehow. I'll blame my Pentium60!
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 10:51:00 AM +0000 » |
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So how how many F2 champions at the end of the season 1, 2 or 4 From the silence I assume everyone else is not confused. Well I own up to being stupid. Does anyone know who they are racing against in terms of the championship. Is there one, two or what and how is it going to work from race to race in particular with handicapping thrown in? We already have the Friday Trophy, which includes the F2 mod, for fun. With the first race approaching fast it really would be nice to know.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2014, 12:44:42 PM +0000 » |
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Hi any clarification on this, and are fast drivers and slow drivers being moved to were they want to race, or is now set as groups we race in. See you all on track.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2014, 01:09:42 PM +0000 » |
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When the F2 mod was made, it was created as something that everyone could comfortably drive. These cars were where future F1 stars learned their trade - advanced trainers to perfect racing skills in. They were popular in 1967, and they're popular here. Perhaps it's been decided they are too popular here?
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2014, 03:19:29 PM +0000 » |
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For clarification - the drivers have been split into two grids. One is called Light & one is called Heavy - they could be called Grid 1 & Grid 2 or A & B - there is no distinction for the ability of drivers. This has been done so we have two sustainable grids over the course of the season - one grid would probably mean that some people would miss out & it has not been possible to split the grids by driver ability. Please check you join the correct grid - if you get it wrong you won't score any championship points. The series will now be split as follows LIGHTS Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo HEAVY Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, & Walter Or check the Driver list in the Championship Table here: Formula Two Trophy
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2014, 03:46:14 PM +0000 » |
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I am asking the following 5 drivers to move from the Light to the Heavy. Marco Mercaldo, Doni Yourth, Phil Thornton, David Rainier & Arf Arf. (A message is being sent to these drivers). If you don't agree please contact me.
I would suggest, if possible, an alternative solution. Simply distribute drivers on two balanced grids (1/2 of light and 1/2 heavy each) alternating at every race, more or less as it was done in the Porsche champ. Thus would not be anything different from what happens when the group is reduced and you end up all on a single server, I see no reason to move pilots from category in a forced way just to build a starting grid. or is it a constant split?
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2014, 04:35:28 PM +0000 » |
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Sorry for still being confused.
Does this mean there are two separate F2 championships, one on each grid?
If so within each F2 championship is their a separate championship for Light and Heavy drivers?
If not, regardless of handicapping, this is not looking like much fun for the original Heavy drivers?
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2014, 05:38:05 PM +0000 » |
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We can do lots of things with the results - combining the results into one table, rotating the grids, having two separate championships...
As it stands we simply have two parallel championships. Two champions and a straight fight.
Let us see how it goes in terms of drivers turning up and we can take it from there.
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DLogan
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2014, 05:50:12 PM +0000 » |
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We can do lots of things with the results - combining the results into one table, rotating the grids, having two separate championships...
And doing so after the fact will be easier than just moving three drivers who haven't proven (despite plenty of chances) they belong in the Lights down a division to even out the grids, and letting the 24 others race in the series that they voted on joining? I just felt my motivation for this/these/ whatever series plummet.
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