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December 18, 2011, 09:42:37 PM +0000 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Al Heller
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.514
119.267mph
1 40:05.320
117.000mph
34 1:09.424
119.226mph
Dunlop  
Alex Barresi
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +0.710
118.931mph
2 +7.650
116.629mph
34 1:09.564
118.986mph
Dunlop  
Mark75 Barresi
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +0.483
119.320mph
3 +7.733
116.625mph
34 1:09.377
119.307mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.556
119.195mph
4 +15.693
116.242mph
34 1:10.123
118.037mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +1.003
118.433mph
5 +21.951
115.942mph
34 1:09.683
118.783mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.194
118.110mph
6 +29.600
115.578mph
34 1:10.243
117.836mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +1.217
118.071mph
7 +35.821
115.283mph
34 1:09.898
118.417mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +2.925
115.263mph
8 +54.722
114.397mph
34 1:10.895
116.752mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 14 +2.643
115.717mph
9 +1:08.794
113.747mph
34 1:11.474
115.806mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +1.964
116.826mph
10 +1L
112.576mph
33 1:10.509
117.391mph
Dunlop  
Artiglietti
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 1:08.886
120.157mph
11 +2L
116.252mph
32 1:09.401
119.265mph
Dunlop  
Geoff65
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +1.409
117.748mph
12 +16L
111.968mph
18 1:10.549
117.325mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +0.755
118.854mph
13 +24L
114.589mph
10 1:09.815
118.558mph
Disco
Dunlop  
blito
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 +1.600
117.429mph
14 +0.923
114.443mph
10 1:10.657
117.145mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +1.351
117.846mph
15 +25L
107.813mph
9 1:12.580
114.041mph
Disco
Dunlop  
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December 18, 2011, 10:40:27 PM +0000 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.160
120.078mph
1 40:00.297
117.300mph
34 1:08.905
120.180mph
Dunlop  
tom_g
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 1 1:08.804
120.357mph
2 +0.599
117.271mph
34 1:08.825
120.320mph
Dunlop  
Samb
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +0.588
119.337mph
3 +7.081
116.955mph
34 1:08.849
120.278mph
Dunlop  
Baab
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.397
119.666mph
4 +32.397
115.738mph
34 1:09.230
119.616mph
Dunlop  
john roberts
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +1.591
117.637mph
5 +48.363
114.983mph
34 1:10.210
117.947mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +0.947
118.723mph
6 +49.100
114.949mph
34 1:09.895
118.478mph
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +2.050
116.875mph
7 +1:01.493
114.370mph
34 1:11.138
116.408mph
Dunlop  
vosblod
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +1.783
117.317mph
8 +1L
112.490mph
33 1:11.027
116.590mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 +2.241
116.560mph
9 +38.859
110.719mph
33 1:11.153
116.383mph
Dunlop  
jhalli
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 7 +1.096
118.470mph
10 +12L
112.892mph
22 1:10.127
118.086mph
Disco
Dunlop  
wrinkleydms
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +2.100
116.792mph
11 +14L
107.361mph
20 1:10.687
117.151mph
Disco
Dunlop  
philippe GIRARD
 Santas
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 13 +5.393
111.609mph
12 +31L
94.941mph
3 1:22.599
100.256mph
retired
Dunlop  
natan5
 Elves
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 6 +1.085
118.488mph
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Dunlop  
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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2011, 09:52:40 PM +0000 »

HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2011, 10:27:07 PM +0000 »

Don't see my name on the list?
cheers David
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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2011, 10:31:19 PM +0000 »

Don't see my name on the list?
cheers David
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David - nothing personal its just our organising. I've put you in a  Lotus.
Have also included a driver list in the post at the top of the thread.
Geoff can you just confirm you are driving - or had you pencilled yourself out?
Now up to 19 so we'll have to split the grid if there are more sign ups.
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« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2011, 11:14:06 PM +0000 »

HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David

If you are doing 2:11's at Watkins you need to worry! I think (I HOPE) you mean 1:11. It is almost certainly a combination of setup and skill. Until I changed my setup I couldn't get below 1:13 - mostly that was setting the gears and then equalising the tyre temps. It is the only circuit where I have really played around with it. Most of the time though comes from the superior skill in carrying speed. You lose a little time in the corners but because the exit speed is higher they are faster all the way down the straight. Try braking earlier and aim to accelerate from the apex. Although it seems odd, braking earlier speeds you up. And make sure you let the gas go completely while braking - made a big difference to me.

The guys always tell me to use higher gears but I find I lose too many revs.

Good luck and get on to UKGPL3 for a bit of praccy...
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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2011, 11:21:16 PM +0000 »

Thanks guys for the info, I tried online this evening at 11pm-nobody about unless they were going so fast that I didn't see them!
Are you guys getting around in 1 minute something, bad luck for the elves that I am in them .
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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2011, 11:44:02 PM +0000 »

Just did 12 laps at an average of 1:12.86 and that will put me lastish...
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2011, 12:45:37 AM +0000 »

Nah, too computer intensive for my poor laptop.....only did 5 laps and it's still on life support, I'll be giving this one a miss.

UPDATE: Fixed the FPS problems..I'm still in, looking somewhat Elven.....
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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2011, 01:18:49 AM +0000 »

What are you doing to it? It can hardly be worse than mine... and mine has problems on weery few tracks, snowglen is gefinetly not one of them...wery light track imo.

Heres my specs... p4 1.6 ghz, 500 mb ram, mobility radeon 7500 32 mb vram, win xp sp2... im usially running a browser, a chat client and Office Word 2007 at the back too... no firewall, Avira Antivir usially on...

Gpl v2 rasterisers have quite alot of settings, you know that? You should be able to make it run much better if you turn some things off... Heres my Gem+ rasteriser settings, with directx v2: 
Max mip size: 128 (makes thigs abit fuzzy, but i like it better that way... dont like it too sharp)
lod bias: 0
Toss biggest mips: 1
No anisotrophic filtering (maybe abit edgy, but only on low resolutions)
32 bit graphics: off (they dont look better)
Vsync: off
direct mirr. render: off
trilinear: off
Mirror size: 128
Use zbuffer
zbuffer with grouping
1024x768 resolution (i see no use to go higher than that...)

Biggest fps hit actually is from antialiasing... you have to turn it off from your graphic card settings. Right click on desktop, properties, display, advanced, it should be somwhere around there... put it either fully off or "at application preference"

Try these things... im certain your laptop should be able to run any track at 36 fps with full grid, if you get the settings right.

Some laptops have "intel speedstep"... this thing often downclocks your proccesor, so a 2ghz laptop might be running at 500 mhz... We will try that later, gpl usially runs at "high priority" and  doesnt allow that... for now, try disabling antialiasing.
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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2011, 06:20:03 AM +0000 »

No reason to panic... i dont see The Werewolf around here atleast... Roll Eyes

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2011, 08:56:47 AM +0000 »

HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David

If you are doing 2:11's at Watkins you need to worry! I think (I HOPE) you mean 1:11. It is almost certainly a combination of setup and skill. Until I changed my setup I couldn't get below 1:13 - mostly that was setting the gears and then equalising the tyre temps. It is the only circuit where I have really played around with it. Most of the time though comes from the superior skill in carrying speed. You lose a little time in the corners but because the exit speed is higher they are faster all the way down the straight. Try braking earlier and aim to accelerate from the apex. Although it seems odd, braking earlier speeds you up. And make sure you let the gas go completely while braking - made a big difference to me.

The guys always tell me to use higher gears but I find I lose too many revs.

Good luck and get on to UKGPL3 for a bit of praccy...

One thing that I have not seen mentioned about setups and gearing ( although I suspect that someone has somewhere, and I missed it!) is  the setup page on GEM. This offers some extra information and some additional setup variables not available within the GPL setup screen.

It gives you all the same parameters that you get within GPL except they are all on one page so there is no flicking between suspension and gearing. Plus there are more diff ratios available allowing you to find something between 85/45 and 60/45 if you think that only a small change is needed and when you get more confident with setups there are "fine adjust" options too.

BUT,  Something that is very useful when it comes to sorting out revs and gear ratios are the graphs for TORQUE and HORSEPOWER.
I guess you will have experienced that moment when you take a slow corner and find that the car just refuses to accelerate for about 30 minutes because the engine revs have dropped out of the "power band". This little graph shows you how wide that optimum area is  for your chosen car and helps decide how wide your ratio spacings can be.

The Porsche in GT's has an almost flat torque curve which is why it can pull away from corners in almost any gear without losing pace, whereas something like the 65 Honda needs the gearing to be just right or else nothing happens.
The HORSEPOWER curve has to be treated with a little caution I find. Although we want to use the maximum horsepower available by wringing the neck of the engine at max revs, we have to be aware that some engines will not survive at those RPM's....like the Honda! Although the graph indicates that it will rev to about 14K, max Torque is available at around only 12K-12.5K. We want the engine to be somewhere just below the max torque revs( maybe 10.5K-11K) as we prepare to exit a corner.
That way, the engine will deliver the most grunt (=acceleration) as we floor the gas leaving the corner but, if we try to extract all the available power by revving to 14K the life of the engine will be very short. So setting a rev limit of around 12.5K on the 65 Honda by adjusting gear ratios to hit that figure at the end of the longest straight, means we use the grunt of the engine rather than the ultimate revs to get us to the chequered flag.

Remember to save any setup changes to the correct DRIVER/TRACK directory. It takes a little getting used to after the standard Pappy setup sheet but you might find playing with options instructive.
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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2011, 10:34:22 AM +0000 »

 Wink Hi M8S.....hum ! ....It' s possible to race with you in SnowGlenn ?? let me know if there is a free seat and witch chassi ?...... THX  Grin       
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« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2011, 11:20:41 AM +0000 »

Of course there is room. You have to choose if you want to drive for the Elves (Lotus 33) or Santa (Ferrari).
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« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2011, 11:27:14 AM +0000 »

As long as it doesn't mean splitting one big grid to two small one's I should be back by then so would like to join.
If it messes up the grids don't worry I can go on standby.
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« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2011, 12:27:03 PM +0000 »

would you have a spare green car going .... for my return to racing with ukgpl?

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« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2011, 12:30:24 PM +0000 »

Excellent JR. Always room for you.

I think we are up to about 2223 or so Vos. It depends who turns up on Sunday, of course, but I think we might be able to run two sleighs if a few more get their stockings out...

We will need FOUR captains.

Let us see who manages to make it but the list is on the first page

Two grids of eleven+ perhaps. No Martin or Alistair so I think two grids very reasonable. Won't run with less than 12 say.

Both Cookie and I are set to host so we will just see how it goes. Whatever Tim, YOU ARE RACING! This is GOD speaking!  Wink
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