UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Porsche Cup (GT) - Cernes Wood - Jul 13

[maddog]

The Privateers division has very few penalty points given to it's drivers, and numbers have grown in recent seasons.  As a racer, I want as few restrictions as possible.  Red zones, amber. zones, controls, traffic lights!  Something is wrong when all of this is needed. 

[clouds]

Wait wait Hristo, who loses his position during yellow/red zones must rejoin on the back of the group and the others don't have to leave room to make him regain his position lost either, nor wait for him to retake speed. The meaning of yellow zone is only for trying to avoid contacts untill at race speed.

Anyway I've seen races beginning from standing start and with no accidents and others with starting constraints ending in a heap at 1st slow turn.  

About the artificial kind of racing...I agree but our driving, strictly speaking, is artificial, we've not real feedback and sensations like in reality so we have to adapt ourselves.

[Hristo Itchov]

Wait wait Hristo, who loses his position during yellow/red zones must rejoin on the back of the group and the others don't have to leave room to make him regain his position lost either, nor wait for him to retake speed. The meaning of yellow zone is only for trying to avoid contacts untill at race speed.

Anyway I've seen races beginning from standing start and with no accidents and others with starting constraints ending in a heap at 1st slow turn.  

Complicating things unnecessarily if you ask me. Can't we just have normal racing where everyone takes responsibility for being a good or a bad driver? Let the penalty rules deal with the rest.

[clouds]

Yes but...words are words and the reality is often different from theory thus when you're prepared and someone push you out of track, the balls begin to turn like a propeller in a Helicopter !    I don't know if I was clear enough

[fpolicardi]

Sry for not speaking early, but my Bell palsy is keeping away fom pc.
Tom (Magig Arsouile) isn't Marco Casadei (Cico71) thjat hasn't registered yet.

I asked Tom to race at my place for T7 and he agreed. Now as Team7 manager I ask that the team doesn't receive point from Tom's partecipation at Cerne's race for breaking rules.
I hope this put a stop to the long arguing and we can move on. I've difficult to read all the posts about with only one eyes.
Thx for the attention.

P.S.
Tom please post your apologizes please.

[Hristo Itchov]

Yes but...words are words and the reality is often different from theory thus when you're prepared and someone push you out of track, the balls begin to turn like a propeller in a Helicopter !    I don't know if I was clear enough

That's part of racing. You rely on penalty rules to take care of it and move on. Why else do you think I was asking for stricter and better graded penalties for so many seasons? We finally have them, so let's see them in action.

[Hristo Itchov]

Sry for not speaking early, but my Bell palsy is keeping away fom pc.
Tom (Magig Arsouile) isn't Marco Casadei (Cico71) thjat hasn't registered yet.

I asked Tom to race at my place for T7 and he agreed. Now as Team7 manager I ask that the team doesn't receive point from Tom's partecipation at Cerne's race for breaking rules.
I hope this put a stop to the long arguing and we can move on. I've difficult to read all the posts about with only one eyes.
Thx for the attention.

P.S.
Tom please post your apologizes please.

The problem is not Tom, but the way this situation has been interpreted differently than the one in Daytona, and the kind of excuses we are given. If it's not Tom, it could be someone else. I doubt anyone has any problem with Tom himself. He really did deserve to win this race, being so much quicker than anyone else.

[Rainier]

Sry for not speaking early, but my Bell palsy is keeping away fom pc.
Tom (Magig Arsouile) isn't Marco Casadei (Cico71) thjat hasn't registered yet.

I do not really understand what happened in this race, and I do not try !

Just to say Magic Arsouille is not Tom (Guerout)  but Tristan (Bot)

[BadBlood]

It is definitely Tom we are talking about!

Rolling start at Daytona was VERY confusing. No such problems at Cerne's which is why it is disappointing that advantahe was taken. Tom is good enough not to need any extra advantage and I believe that he misunderstood the (unwritten) rules. As such, there cannot be a penalty but we will not fall into the trap of letting people 'misunderstand' again!

[Rainier]

did you send him a private message ?

[fpolicardi]

Sry for not speaking early, but my Bell palsy is keeping away fom pc.
Tom (Magig Arsouile) isn't Marco Casadei (Cico71) thjat hasn't registered yet.

I do not really understand what happened in this race, and I do not try !

Just to say Magic Arsouille is not Tom (Guerout)  but Tristan (Bot)

Sry I misunderstood between our two French friends, also my brain is failing, not only my eyes 
Ciao

[Ronniepeterson]

Rolling start at Daytona was VERY confusing. No such problems at Cerne's which is why it is disappointing that advantahe was taken. Tom is good enough not to need any extra advantage and I believe that he misunderstood the (unwritten) rules. As such, there cannot be a penalty but we will not fall into the trap of letting people 'misunderstand' again!

Guidelines for rolling starts...

The car on pole will lead off the grid and maintain a steady pace for the 1st lap around 175kph

It is the reponsibility of the lead car to ensure that all drivers are with him as he approaches the final corner.

I never raced in the GTs last season and am not racing in them this season. But when it became clear that the PSC this season would be using rolling starts I made myself  aware of the basic guidelines above which were written down regarding rolling starts for the GTs in Season 22.  Sure they were obviously written at a time when a full rolling lap was used but I assumed the etiquette would remain the same regardless of where the start point would be located.

[Hristo Itchov]

How come there are yellow points and dropped points for this round, yet the results stand provisional and there is no moderator report?

[Cookie]

This comes from a moderation finished but not yet published

Now the moderation is published!

[Hristo Itchov]

This comes from a moderation finished but not yet published

Now the moderation is published!

"The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter made no allowance for the victim whatsoever. The shunter was in full control."

The shunter, as reported, tried to avoid the accident by going to the inside and even went off track, thus making an allowance. The victim moved diagonally towards the inside. The shunter was not in full control by that time because you can't control a car completely in such a situation. But whatever.  

I find it funny how you gave a warning for an identical situation in a previous race, yet here you give me 2 places lost penalty and disregard facts. It gives me a boost of motivation to look towards future races moderation.