UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Montjuich Park - Jan 29

[BadBlood]

The actual position is that he did 33.9 laps... not 34.

Not making the grid may or not may be his fault but normally we would only correct clear server errors where the server has 'dropped' a driver when we would review a client replay.

It isn't hard and fast but I would like to discourage people from starting from the pit lane as it can cause problems and I certainly don't think somebody should be able to gain an advantage by doing so.

[Hristo Itchov]

I still don't see how someone gains an advantage by starting some 20-30 seconds after the field has gone by.

[BadBlood]

Advantage is that the elapsed race time id for, say 33.9 laps, not 34 and if you then manually add a lap you reduce the average lap time. There is a possibility therefore that you may gain a place that you do not actually merit from the race pace.

For instance, Driver A completes 20 laps in 40mins, Driver B completes 19.9 in 39mins 59secs. If we up Driver B's laps to 20 they come in ahead of Driver A but if they had completed the full 40 laps they would have taken longer than Driver A and should, therefore, be classified behind them.

[bernie]

I still don't see how someone gains an advantage by starting some 20-30 seconds after the field has gone by.

afair the wait is 10sec until the green flag shows Hristo , if you start from the back (which for some reason you never seem to  ) the time delay with a full or near full grid and escpecially with a widely spaced out grid (like what we use)  in real terms,  is considerably more   

[DLogan]

One other thing about the "starting from pit lane" issue (from someone who had a podium finish taken away a week after the event in question https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11423#event3572):

If I'm racing against someone on the track, but according to prib and the pitboard they're a lap down, I'm not going to fight very hard, or take any chances that may risk collision. I have no way to know that they've started from the pitlane, and the stewards are going to adjust anything after the race. As far as I know, they're a lap down.

I don't have (much) issue with the result from the F2 race at Reims (as the moderator made it clear that was a ONE-TIME allowance). Making repeated allowances for someone's failure to appear on the grid on time is unfair to the rest, imo. The race times are published well in advance. They are part of the rules, which we're all supposed to follow. If you don't follow the rules, be prepared to pay the price.

[bernie]

Totally agree, well said that man 

[Hristo Itchov]

OK, I agree it should be different if someone starts from the pitlane regularly, but we should make allowances for random occasions when someone has no other choice. Perhaps 1-2 times per driver per season? But then people may start to take advantage of that on purpose... I don't know really, sometimes it's reasonable, other times it's not. 

[bernie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI


 

[MagicArsouille]

no problem guys ...... Iagree whith you ...
....but one thing is the reaplay .....and as you can see clearly, I'm starting dead last .....where is the advantage  ??  ...I was 4th on the grid !!!.so it's a advantage for all the other behind me........another thing is ,I over take the 2 pilotes who finish in front of me !!!! and nobody over take me during the all race ??!!.....last thing is that I'v done all the complete laps of the race ( as you can see on reaplay ! ) ....so pribluda and the export are one thing , and can fell......I thing the reaplay speak by imself......and start from pits don't give you any advantage , that 's shure and evident !!! and logical ....how can be easyer to overtake 17 pilotes when you have the possibility to overtake only 3 !!.......

....ciao 

[Rainier]

no problem guys ...... Iagree whith you ...
....but one thing is the reaplay .....and as you can see clearly, I'm starting dead last .....where is the advantage  ??  ...I was 4th on the grid !!!.so it's a advantage for all the other behind me........another thing is ,I over take the 2 pilotes who finish in front of me !!!! and nobody over take me during the all race ??!!.....last thing is that I'v done all the complete laps of the race ( as you can see on reaplay ! ) ....so pribluda and the export are one thing , and can fell......I thing the reaplay speak by imself......and start from pits don't give you any advantage , that 's shure and evident !!! and logical ....how can be easyer to overtake 17 pilotes when you have the possibility to overtake only 3 !!.......

....ciao 

Tristan,

the advantage has been perfectly explained by Dean Logan :

If I'm racing against someone on the track, but according to prib and the pitboard they're a lap down, I'm not going to fight very hard, or take any chances that may risk collision. I have no way to know that they've started from the pitlane, and the stewards are going to adjust anything after the race. As far as I know, they're a lap down.

[MagicArsouille]

hum !....ok ....but Ithing it's just because prib cannot manage a start from the pits......I'v seen prib at many times whith wrong informations , that why I prefere look what append on track..what was my color 's name on prib when I was just behind a pilote and ready to overpass ??..what about the blue flag ? ....it's meen somebody will lapped you and you have to let him pass ...and during the race , do you see this blue flag at that moment ??, Ihad to fight to overpass just like I don't start from pits....the only pilotes who let me pass quite easely are those who anderstand what append .....
 ....Dave if I'm not wrong , I overpass you 2 times during the race ....so how can you finish in front of me

DLogan ...I don't see you let me pass easely ( because I 'm one lap down ??......hum ! that meen you have allready lapped me one times!!! right ??...   during the race ....so if you even don't know if you ave lapped a pilote it's maybe 'cause you are looking prib to mutch   ....look at the track....this is a good way to know from where the guy come !....if you have lapped nobody don't trust prib.....but anyway Icome from the back of the field and I'm shure that most of the pilotes anderstand what append.....    ....so the race export is one thing and can work wrong, and prib can also easely disfonctioned.....in a doubt look the reaplay......can we have better evidences !?

bye...

[DLogan]

...so if you even don't know if you ave lapped a pilote it's maybe 'cause you are looking prib to mutch   ....look at the track...

Instead of telling other people what to do, how about making the start on time, so there's no problem to begin with?

[BadBlood]

It is looked at on a case by case basis but in general terms we will not reset the number of laps.

Starting from the pits is a clear disadvantage but we would like drivers to avoid doing so. I know it is sometimes unavoidable (it happened to me at Albi because I couldn't click the green button) but it should not become a regular thing.

[MagicArsouille]

no problem guys  .....it's just a game  ......I promess to do my best to start from my qualif place for the next race .....

[Rainier]

....Dave if I'm not wrong , I overpass you 2 times during the race

No, only one time.
If you overpass me 2 times, you'll finish in front of me, starting from the pits or not. 

....so if you even don't know if you ave lapped a pilote it's maybe 'cause you are looking prib to mutch   

or maybe, because you were on the pits, doing a stop'n'go.