UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Snetterton - Jan 26

[maddog]

Yes Walter.  Each race start = + 10 tokens   Charge for car = 0 min, and 20 max.
It is helpful to make explanations simple. 

[garethhall]

iv done a spreadsheet and worked all out in advance. lol
how dull am I.


Edit, I intend to save up and use the lotus 3 times in row

[BadBlood]

It isn't a rule Walt. It is token value. The maths does not work

You have 20 tokens at the start and take the Lotus. At the end of the race you have 0 tokens. Next race you get ten tokens so you only have ten to spend - you can't afford the Lotus. So nobody can race the Lotus two races in a row.

[Rainier]

You cannot race the Lotus for two races in a row.

YES you can !

first race you have 20 tokens, you choose the BRM so still 20 tokens at the end of the race
second race you have 20 + 10 tokens, you choose the Lotus, 10 tokens at the end of the race
third race, 10+10 tokens at the start ...so you can choose again the Lotus !!!!

it's only not possible for the two first races.

[maddog]

It's only not possible for the won race, but makes no difference if you haven't one.    Please stop hitting me!

[EvilClive]

I just love the complexities of token saving, and the chaos it brings.  

I find it easier to think of the 10 tokens you are given at the start of each race as "appearance money". As long as you cross the start line you get 10 tokens that you can spend on that race, so you can never be without tokens.

It is indeed possible to run the Lotus for 4 consecutive races. You simply need to have saved 40 tokens in your account before you use the Lotus for the first time.

So, for the first time in the Lotus you pay 20 tokens, leaving you with 20 in your account. But you also receive 10 tokens as you cross the start line for that race and that boosts your account to 30 tokens to carry forward .

For the next race you spend 20 tokens for the Lotus again, leaving you with 10 tokens in your account. But you receive another 10 tokens for starting this race boosting your account to 20 tokens to carry forward.

You choose the Lotus for a 3rd race and pay 20 tokens, leaving you with zero in your account, but you get 10 for crossing the start line and now have 10 tokens to carry forward.

If you choose the Lotus for a 4th race you will use the 10 tokens that you saved + the 10 for crossing the start line in the 4th race leaving you with Zero.

But because you will always get 10 tokens just for crossing the start line you can always afford any car up to and including the Brabham.

Of course this means that you will need to drive the BRM for a few races to save your tokens, or the mighty Honda for even more races, if you want to use the Lotus for multi races.

Or you can be safe and boring and use the Brabham for every round, knowing that it is fast enough to trouble the "elite " cars on all but the most high speed of circuits and is more likely to get you to the finish anyway. Plus it is certainly a faster and easier to drive car than those cheaper options.

You have the tokens, you make the choice.

[BadBlood]

LOL - It was just a general thing but you are all right - you can race it for several in a row if you want to screw your championship by taking the Coop at Spa 

[EvilClive]

Unless of course you are someone like Maarten Steverenk who can do mighty things with that Cooper!! 

[Iestyn Davies]

Just so I understand - not crossing the start line at Brands scuppers my plan to run the BRM at my weak track, to have better cars at preferred tracks, right? But now I am just realising that it also costs me for tokens - having not started one of the first five races my initial tokens are now at 5 and not 10? So, I can't run the Lotus or Eagle, due to the BRM blowing on the grid? My, this has been costly.. After thinking I'd not gained tokens at all (10), it's actually cost me more than the start money (15), and now I can't run my preferred car at Snetterton. GPLrank having login problems also doesn't help in trying to choose an alternative car..

PS. By Spa I imagine you mean Monza in the last race right? 

[Tom van Ostade]

Iestyn you can drive the Lotus at Snetterton if you wish . But you are correct that blowing up the BRM on the grid has cost you tokens. As you didn't cross the start line, you'll not be rewarded those 10 tokens. But you'll get the intial 10 tokens given to you for free still.

[Turkey Machine]

I seem to recall a devious strategy in the first season we ran the token system whereby I had planned running the Lotus for the last 4 races of the season, utilising a monumental drive in the BRM in a couple of races, including Bremgarten where that beast got me 2nd! As it happened, I couldn't use the Lotus in the last 4 races....

Still this throws up interesting strategies.

[Tom van Ostade]

I try to use the BRM in races where a) the track is not very difficult and b) the attrition rate appears to be higher. Unfortunately a and b do clash most of the time  . And when I tried the BRM at Sebring in season 20, I blew up the engine myself  :'(

[Iestyn Davies]

The BRM can test the resolve of the hardiest GPLer  . On rank, it's actually one of my better cars, yet now I am struggling to get a grip on it again.

Phew Tommie, Lotus helps, because I have experience in it from a past D2 race; still, Clive in his Honda beat me to the line there when we had the car equalising pit stops (good win, I was happy with second). I crashed my car about 5 metres after the start line on the left, spinning around about ten times, after hitting the corner marker at full speed . Experience = driveable setup = good for arrive and drive!


EDIT: OK, now I see I misread the rule section. 'Any of the first five' only applies after the first five have all been ran  

Jethro - A podium with the BRM is impressive in any race! How come you couldn't run 4 loti in the last 4 races? Mis-calculation? Rogue start-line engine blow? Now I'm starting to calculate what cars I want to drive in the remaining races the extra ten from Brands I may badly need to upgrade a Brabham to a Lotus somewhere along the line.. I'm looking at you, Monza  

[Turkey Machine]

Iestyn, had something to do with the shift of teams.

[Samb]

I disconnected again  :'(. I've had enough. There's no point in carrying on until I move away from shared accommodation. Thanks to all for the racing while it lasted  .

I'll be back, with the best damn internet connection I can get my ruddy hands on. Not sure when that'll be mind. Good luck to everyone competing for the rest of S26  .