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  • S2967P Nürburgring: November 15, 2015
November 15, 2015, 10:48:21 PM +0000 - Nürburgring (Nordschleife) - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Privateers Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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bagrupp
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +39.735
92.466mph
1 (+1) 52:58.976
96.440mph
6 8:32.241
99.751mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +18.312
96.195mph
2 +24.781
95.694mph
6 8:42.684
97.758mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 12 3 +1:37.106
93.581mph
6 8:55.980
95.333mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +15.924
96.629mph
4 +1:46.873
93.303mph
6 8:50.549
96.309mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +49.083
90.928mph
5 (+1) +5:29.618
87.379mph
6 9:35.888
88.726mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +2:13.056
79.107mph
6 +1L
84.990mph
5 9:47.045
87.040mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 3 +7.790
98.139mph
7 +2L
94.360mph
4 8:43.591
97.589mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
BRM P115 F1 1967 6 +29.107
94.279mph
9 +3L
91.858mph
3 9:05.272
93.708mph
Disco
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +6.649
98.355mph
10 +4L
94.343mph
2 8:59.884
94.644mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pierre D
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 7 +30.588
94.022mph
11 +5L
88.019mph
1 9:40.278
88.055mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pierre D
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 12 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Burtoner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 13 ---
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Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 11 14 ---
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Goodyear  
Ronnie Nilsson
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 1 8:32.864
99.630mph
Excluded +3L
94.313mph
3 8:45.296
97.272mph
Disco
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY

Bastian Grupp finishes first in a Brabham, passing Bernie Darwin in the last lap. Bastian also set the fastest lap of the race. Bernie had to settle for second in the Brabham. Dave Curtis rounds out the podium in a Honda.

After the race the moderators have decided to give Bastian a 1 place penalty meaning Bernie will inherit the win.

Heartbreak for Polesitter Ronnie Nilsson, in a Lotus, who suffered from incidents without his own fault and had to retire after 3 laps. Ultimately Ronnie has been Disqualified for failing to do a Stop & Go after his reset.


Server replay time: 0

After his reset early on at 3m47s, Ronnie did not do a S&G in the laps after, until he had to retire. Martin and Walter retired in the laps they did a reset. Other S&Gs were performed correctly.

  • Ronnie Nilsson — Failing to take Stop & Go after Shift-R — excluded


Server replay time: 0h02m15s

Francesco goes off track, and reverses on track with cars coming up behind. Pierre can\'t avoid Fran, and also Michael who partly lost control can\'t avoid both Fran and Pierre. All three cars can continue, without damage. This was clearly a bad rejoin by Francesco.

After Michael gains control he also reverses on track and Billy just could avoid him. Especially Bernie and Billy did a fantastic job at this incident avoiding carnage.

Before you rejoin, please take care and be sure not to impede other drivers nor reversing on the racing line.


Server replay time: 0h03m18s

Martin Hunt loses control and goes off at Adenauer Forst, and bounces back on the track just when Ronnie comes along and he cannot avoid Martin. There was no lack of care by Ronnie nor Martin was reckless or inconsiderate. Martin lost control, and Ronnie was a victim. Martin was able to continue, Ronnie had to do a reset.


Server replay time: 0h31m15s

Bastian is following Ronnie, and rearends him. There was no intention to make a pass, Bastian simply got caught out by Ronnie\'s line and speed. Ronnie had about the same speed at that turn as in previous laps, but it seems also due to his tight line he was about 15-20mph slower there than Bastian normally goes at that point. Bastian tried to steer away at the last point but the speed difference is too much and the cars make contact. Ronnie had to retire, and Bastian was able to continue.

When you are gaining on someone it\'s best not to follow too close in a tight section, when you don\'t know the speed of the car in front. In this case the speed difference was substantial.

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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2015, 10:49:55 PM +0000 »

I was able to survive quite a few minor offs. On the plus side, I had not missed that many gear shifts in the race. However, I pushed too hard on lap three, and I lost the right rear wheel twice.

I stayed on the server to watch and cheer on the finishers. Congrats all, Good race.  
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2015, 10:56:35 PM +0000 »

Very frustrated indeed right now.  Angry

That was me - lap 1, position 1 .  One second glitch at maximum speed.  Same thing destroyed my motor, and rolled my car on lap 3.  Two unhappy drivers.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2015, 10:57:06 PM +0000 »

Sorry to hear Ronnie, please report the incidents Wink

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2015, 11:40:11 PM +0000 »

Sorry to hear Ronnie, please report the incidents Wink

Awaiting replay...

Axel has uploaded server replay here: http://ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season29/Grads_Privs/

It can also be helpful to save your own client replay. Personally I try to save it at all times, also after DNF.

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2015, 12:29:07 AM +0000 »

Was a hairy one tonight!

Lost half of qually, as I was watching recorded F1 from earlier & managed to fall asleep about 15-20 laps in  Smiley

I really could have done with the practice too!   Nearly managed to complete 1x  Q lap,   but flipped the car over on the final downhill straight thanks to the hedge jumping out after the bridge...   Still;  would have started from the same position anyway...

Race seemed to go out really;  thanks to misfortune elsewhere.   I really didn't want to waste the tokens,  so went with the Honda;  although no Old Spice required.
Have to say though,  the thing was indestructible.   Start/1st lap was ok due to problems elsewhere.  Luckily,  managed to even up the front end later in the race,  so severe damage on both sides [couldn't really tell!].

Had some fun circulating with Walter for a while and then Ronnie's Lotus [way quicker,  but he seemed happy to wait for me to fall off]. Then in the later stages Billy;  who was way faster than me & then off down the road,  but clearly had some major issues towards then end.

Previous fastest lap here was 9:08 in the Honda [my quickest car; really don't come here often as I don't like it!].   But was chuffed to have got in 3x laps sub-9mins;  good result for me.

Congrats all finishers.  Congrats on the fastest lap Bastian;  that must have been a real flyer!   However, I've just looked at the Pro times & they are quite depressing. 8:04? c'mon!

Bernie proving again he's no slouch either.


Cheers all,
Dave.
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2015, 08:00:48 AM +0000 »

Apology accepted, but frankly, I'm still seething.  Two races prior and one after this I will be driving poor cars to pay for the Lotus.  I end up 8th.  Far too many people in this league have a "die-or-bust" attitude, lunging for gaps that simply don't exist in places which are not passing places, and to hell with the consequences for other drivers.  I am not enjoying this at all, and seriously considering giving up.
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2015, 08:21:51 AM +0000 »

This is my least favourite Papy track and I wasn't expecting much - an expectation that was amply fulfilled. Starting cautiously  at the back I still managed to get caught up in an incident soon after the start and trundled along at the rear for the rest of the race.
But I did manage  a couple of laps without any offs ( a career first ) and some sub 10 minute laps which I regard as a major achievement
 A silly error with the finishing line in sight meant that I didn't finish the race but congratulations to Bernie leading the Soggie's revival with a fine podium finish thumbup2
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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2015, 12:52:52 PM +0000 »

Car and driver were working well, and expecting good things to happen at the Nurb.  As per requirements, I grabbed the lead, and started to open a gap, up until the flat out dip before Adenauer Forst.  Whereapon, a one second freeze frame, allowed a rear wheel to stray onto the grass.  Slithering commenced, with a brief stop on the racing line, aided by that tree everyone uses for breaking.  My prime pursuer arrived immediately to assist, but instead removed a wheel from his Lot.  His was not a happy lot.  

I somehow survived to do close battle with Phil, until we were both overhauled by Bastian.  Checking the start/finish line at 2 laps, the first 4 cars were 4 seconds apart.  I then had a frame related engine reconfiguration, and another freeze frame shortly thereafter.  Noted how traction is lacking when wheels sit pointing skyward.  

Add one maddog to the list of those, unhappy with the service provided.  I will not be venturing back to race '67's, unless/until the connection issue now plaguing UKGPL, is fixed. Angry
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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2015, 04:08:23 PM +0000 »

I joined hoping to just finish the race , Love this track but not too hot here so was very surprised to see all my race laps were sub 9 mins !
Even more surprising was to find me leading the race for 3 laps , how did that happen  Roll Eyes
Just as I was dreaming of becoming famous and having front page headlines in the Wigan Weekly News , along came Bastian with 2 cracking final laps to steel the glory.
Bastian had passed me a few times but kept disapearing into the shrubbery allowing me to re take the lead , the Graph doesn't show how many position changes , there was some good scrapping going on down the order in spite of the outcome .

Sorry to here 1 or 2 are thinking of jacking , my own connection was better than I thought it might be though there was a few warp intervals here and there , in particular lap 1 when the field was bunched and frame rate dropped noticeably .

By the end of Lap 3 I was exhausted and remember hoping that someone would wave the chequered flag next time around , after the race It felt like I had done 6 rounds in the ring with Joe Frazier than 6 rounds of the Nurbergsring .

(typed this from the re- hab ward )



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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2015, 05:26:05 PM +0000 »

By the end of Lap 3 I was exhausted and remember hoping that someone would wave the chequered flag next time around , after the race It felt like I had done 6 rounds in the ring with Joe Frazier than 6 rounds of the Nurbergsring .
Brilliant drive Bernie.  You managed to keep your concentration better than me.  I managed to inherit the lead thanks to a few mistakes ahead only to do the same myself.  I think I damaged my car when I spun off on lap 2 because it was handling like a dog after that.  I lost a place to Martin on a twisty bit that I should have been much quicker on.  I then completely locked up at the end of the long straight after the pits (could have had a puncture??) and needed a shift R.  I tried to catch up to you but I wasn't making much headway when I crashed into a hedge row full of fly paper and my race was over.

Ronnie, please don't get downhearted.  Report the incident and it will be dealt with fairly and impartially.  The purpose of the moderation is to award penalties to try to redress the balance when a driver has been unfairly disadvantaged (not perfect because we can only demote, we can't promote to compensate a driver directly).  But it is also a means of learning from our own and others mistakes so that drivers get some feedback on their performance and some advice on how to improve.  Admittedly this can be done informally on the drivers forum but the moderating team's analysis tends to be more impartial.
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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2015, 10:11:16 PM +0000 »

Bit dissapointed, got on the grid and noticed my controls not working, I thought I could escape out and reconfigure them and get back in but I didn't get the green button to show up?
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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2015, 10:15:21 PM +0000 »

Bit dissapointed, got on the grid and noticed my controls not working, I thought I could escape out and reconfigure them and get back in but I didn't get the green button to show up?

You can't rejoin the grid in GPL, unfortunately.
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« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2015, 12:59:39 AM +0000 »

However, I've just looked at the Pro times & they are quite depressing. 8:04? c'mon!

lol You think that's depressing Dave? This might make you suicidal. I was significantly off my pace this weekend. My Q time included a spin. Pelle didn't practice at all. I was cruising somewhat the last three laps.

Lap 4: 8m04.554s [Off the track]
Lap 5: 8m05.373s [Off the track]
Lap 6: 8m04.581s [Off the track]

Here's some Q times from another recent race. It was Pro damage too. Read 'em and weep. Smiley

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  15 Pelle Buchner                    Eagle    DEN 7m59.039s              3
 2  12 Gerd Höfferer                    Cooper   AUT 7m59.354s   00.315s    3
 3  20 Gregory Taber                    Ferrari  USA 7m59.830s   00.791s    3
 4  11 Tristan Bot                      Lotus    FRA 8m02.516s   03.477s    3
 5  10 Michael Lowery                   Lotus    USA 8m04.283s   05.244s    4
 6  13 Robert Fleurke                   Cooper   HOL 8m05.918s   06.879s    2
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« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2015, 01:17:58 PM +0000 »

I believe Jim Clark's pole time was 8:04.  Smiley
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« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2015, 09:46:43 PM +0000 »

But did he run off track ?  doubt any of the above had a clean lap  Roll Eyes

no doubt some s.a.  will be along to correct me though  Wink

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