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December 27, 2020, 10:32:33 PM +0000 - Road America (Full) - UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
GregT
 Team Baarf
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford (#1966) Group 7 2 +0.590
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1 27:27.446
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12 2:13.929
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Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M1B (#1966) Group 7 8 +3.525
---
2 +28.677
---
12 2:16.299
---
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Chaparral 2E (#1966) Group 7 4 +2.492
---
3 +30.943
---
12 2:16.179
---
Goodyear  
Pepe Higdon
 
Chaparral 2E (#1966) Group 7 6 +2.843
---
4 +44.872
---
12 2:18.232
---
Goodyear  
Enrique Farina
 
McLaren Elva Mk.2 333ci (#1966) Group 7 7 +3.419
---
5 +52.474
---
12 2:16.299
---
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford (#1966) Group 7 13 +11.958
---
6 +1:09.614
---
12 2:18.729
---
Goodyear  
francesco
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lola T70 MkII 359 Chevrolet (#1966) Group 7 9 +4.577
---
7 +1:12.860
---
12 2:19.725
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Goodyear  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford (#1966) Group 7 10 +5.453
---
8 +1:18.611
---
12 2:18.458
---
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T70 MkII 359 Chevrolet (#1966) Group 7 3 +1.295
---
9 +5L
---
7 2:16.451
---
unknown
Goodyear  
Lasse Albrecht
 
McLaren Elva Mk.1 (#1966) Group 7 1 2:14.794
---
10 +11.563
---
7 2:16.213
---
unknown
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Genie Mk.10 (#1966) Group 7 12 +8.137
---
11 +42.513
---
7 2:19.879
---
unknown
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren Elva Mk.1 (#1966) Group 7 11 +6.947
---
12 +6L
---
6 2:20.354
---
unknown
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Genie Mk.10 (#1966) Group 7 5 +2.595
---
13 +7L
---
5 2:18.524
---
unknown
Firestone  
Dulima
 
Lola T70 MkII 333 Chevrolet (#1966) Group 7 14 +19.840
---
5 2:19.541
---
unknown
Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Genie Mk.10 (#1966) Group 7 15 +57.702
---
5 2:27.424
---
unknown
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren Elva Mk.2 333ci (#1966) Group 7 14 +46.586
---
16 +8L
---
4 2:27.715
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unknown
Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Lola T70 MkII 305 Ford (#1966) Group 7 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Lola T70 MkII 427 Ford (#1966) Group 7 ---
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Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
Genie Mk.10 (#1966) Group 7 ---
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Firestone  
December 27, 2020, 11:02:54 PM +0000 - Road America (Full) - UKGPL Season 38 (Spring 2021)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Lasse Albrecht
 
Porsche 917/10 (#1971) Group 7 1 2:07.937
113.911mph
1 26:05.280
111.726mph
12 2:06.162
115.514mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 5 +1.131
112.913mph
2 +19.161
110.374mph
12 2:09.165
112.828mph
Goodyear  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 712M (#1971) Group 7 8 +2.134
112.043mph
3 +21.271
110.228mph
12 2:08.508
113.405mph
Firestone  
Alain Maurice
 Equipe BGB
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 4 +0.691
113.299mph
4 +28.800
109.707mph
12 2:07.423
114.371mph
Goodyear  
GregT
 Team Baarf
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 2 +0.041
113.875mph
5 +39.581
108.970mph
12 2:06.171
115.506mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Porsche 917/10 (#1971) Group 7 13 +4.272
110.231mph
6 +56.681
107.821mph
12 2:10.551
111.631mph
Dunlop  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 712M (#1971) Group 7 12 +4.175
110.312mph
7 +1:03.351
107.380mph
12 2:10.550
111.631mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T260 (#1971) Group 7 14 +9.596
105.964mph
8 +1:28.825
105.726mph
12 2:13.453
109.203mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 15 +11.634
104.416mph
9 +1:46.996
104.577mph
12 2:12.894
109.662mph
Goodyear  
Pepe Higdon
 
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 11 +3.326
111.025mph
10 +1:53.769
104.155mph
12 2:11.669
110.683mph
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
McLaren M8F (#1971) Group 7 16 +14.156
102.563mph
11 +2:05.371
103.441mph
12 2:15.548
107.515mph
Goodyear  
Enrique Farina
 
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 3 +0.286
113.657mph
12 +4L
104.208mph
8 2:08.114
113.754mph
Disco
Goodyear  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 712M (#1971) Group 7 17 +16.103
101.177mph
13 +39.742
100.633mph
8 2:16.794
106.536mph
Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 10 +2.826
111.450mph
14 +6L
105.863mph
6 2:10.693
111.509mph
Piston
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Shadow MKll (#1971) Group 7 9 +2.387
111.825mph
15 +9L
104.221mph
3 2:10.910
111.324mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Dulima
 
Ferrari 712M (#1971) Group 7 7 +2.053
112.112mph
16 +12L
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T260 (#1971) Group 7 6 +1.163
112.885mph
DNS ---
---
Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL8
 
McLaren M8D (#1971) Group 7 18 ---
---
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Lola T222 (#1971) Group 7 ---
---
Goodyear  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
Group 7
2:07.937
112.536mph
Lasse Albrecht
Qualifying
Porsche 917/10December 27, 2020, 11:02:54 PM +0000
S38
Grand Prix Legends
Group 7
2:06.162
114.119mph
Lasse Albrecht
Race
Porsche 917/10December 27, 2020, 11:02:54 PM +0000
S38
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« on: December 22, 2020, 09:02:18 AM +0000 »

Season 38 - CANM66 +71 Fun Race - Road America

For this 2 short Fun Races we will be at Road America in the USA. The track covers 640 acres (2.6 km2) within Wisconsin’s Kettle Moraine. It is near the Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive and has hosted races since September 1955. It currently hosts over 400 events a year. Road America has not been modified and retains its original configuration of 4.048 miles (6.515 km) in length and consisting of 14 turns. The track features many elevation changes, along with a long front stretch where speeds approaching 200 mph (320 km/h) may be reached. One of the best known features of this course is a demanding right hand turn known as "the kink." Road America's open seating allows spectators to venture throughout the grounds. Grandstands are available in several locations, as well as permanent hillside seating where crowds of more than 150,000 can be accommodated.

Rolling Start!



Start procedure:

Overtaking is prohibited until curve T3!
Flagman gives the start.
The polesitter drives ahead with a high but not full speed and the others follow him in a single line with safe distances.
At the exit of turn 3 the race is released.



Race List =  IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at iGOR
Race date = 27-12-2020
GPL mod = CANM66 + CANM71
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Track dir = roadamer
Qualification Race 1 = 20:45  UK time -> 15min
Race 1 = race starts at ~21:00 UK time
Qualification Race 2 = 21:35  UK time -> 15min
Race 2 = race starts at ~21:50 UK time
Race length = ~25 min -> 12 laps
Damage Model = Intermediate
Replay = here



Handicapping
"Works" drivers will not use works cars.
So only privateers can use the M1B 361ci and Lola T70 359ci in the CA66 race and the M8F and T260 in the CA71 race.[/b]

Resets will be allowed (there is no need to carry out a Stop and Go in the pit lane if you make a Shift-R).

GLA +FUN
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2020, 03:45:01 PM +0000 »

I am guilty of joining fun races of various Leagues, without prior knowledge.  This may happen here.  I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. angel Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2. 

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 04:20:07 PM +0000 »

For this races a PW is obligatory. So you must look into this post.

I ask not to give the PW in igor Chat so everybody has to read here.

Maybe we need someone who translates it to spanish and portuguese...
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 05:41:54 PM +0000 »

I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. angel Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2. 
The start procedure is pretty clear and concise but I wouldn't want to try to explain it in chat, that is too much hassle and there is a big risk of typos and confusion. The drivers should pay the moderator's the courtesy of reading the race post, all the moderators can do in the chat is ask if drivers have read the race post (which is why Axel will be using a race password, an approach I fully support). We need to try to avoid the turn 1 carnage of first two races.

I've had a look at the server replays.

In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough, I should have given you more room. The result was a gentle tap of my left rear and I spun around. The rest of the field then piled into us leaving the first 3 to disappear into the distance. From the server replay it looks like warp contact but unfortunately I didn't keep my client reply so I can't compare the two.

In the second replay, P2 got a slow start. P3 applied too much power resulting in wheel spins and snaking to the right, almost colliding with P2. P4 got a blinding start and rear-ended P2. After that it was complete carnage, everyone was involved leaving the pole sitter to disappear off on his own.

So the lessons to be learnt are; give each other room and be careful with the throttle. But is there something else we can do? We don't want the same things to happen again.

We expected the limited visibility and hugely powerful engines would be problematic for standing starts so we need a few fun races to confirm this and to work out a way of coping with the issues.

Doing a rolling start (although authentic) has its problems (keeping a steady pace for a lap is difficult for the pole sitter), so we are going to try a rolling start but after a partial lap, not a full lap. I think Axel has made it pretty clear on the map where T3 is, everyone needs to understand the exit of T3 is where the race begins. Drivers must remain in single file until that point.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 09:13:41 PM +0000 »

In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough . . . .
For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. Undecided

Next race  :  a Password fixes the problem, and nice map displayed.  A narrow track with wide cars, will always have visibility problems in close company.  Elkhart Lake and Monza are not the same starting challenge. 

Popularity now, may be because Can-Am races have become rare - drivers have  become rusty.  Get out the brass polish, and onwards to glory! Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 11:02:26 PM +0000 »

For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. Undecided
But if I'd given you a little more room that wouldn't have mattered. We would have got through T1 OK (not sure about T2 though Shocked ). Anyway I learnt a lot there. I'm no where near the fastest GPL driver but I'd like to think my race craft is pretty good and I'm a fair racer. The fact that I made a mistake which contributed to most of the field crashing out, suggests to me that, with the best will in the world, standing starts in these beasts will be problematic. Lets hope the pseudo rolling start solves the problem. A full series in these cars would be fun, they have been overlooked for too long.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2020, 10:24:01 AM +0000 »

Good morning all

I find this idea of not overtaking very well until turn 3 and I would even add that it would be good to modify the starting grid with more space between each driver.

Some will say, ok but where is the pleasure of the race then Huh?

The pleasure of the race is already above all to finish the race, and it is far from being that easy.

Anyway, as a rule, practice is a reflection of everyone's performance, so whoever is in front of you on the starting grid is in principle faster.

So no need to believe that on a simple start you will beat him for the length of the race.

Thanks everyone and fun GPL

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2020, 11:00:08 AM +0000 »

In RL they started behind a pace car in a 2 x line!

Look here - I love the sounds!

https://youtu.be/xXjZYIzKGCM

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2020, 04:19:44 PM +0000 »

This has reminded me, to fix the 66 sounds, although less than 66 in total.  These sounds are already installed, and easy to use, if realistic sounds are wanted.  The choice is yours :  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=52.0  Look for the Can-Am 66 listing.

BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 .  Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there.Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 09:39:31 PM +0000 »

BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 .  Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there.Roll Eyes
I find the in-car view makes the track look very narrow. But looking at a replay, the track is about 3 car-widths wide in most places. Hopefully there will be room to pass safely eek

The 66 cars feel fast until you try the 71s. The power and brakes are so much better. They must have been terrifyingly fast in real life!
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2020, 09:56:43 PM +0000 »

Look here - I love the sounds!
Great video Axel, not sure about the "Luxury Economy" comment, a bit patronising. But "necessity is the mother of invention" and we now have the fastest most fuel efficient F1 cars ever.
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2020, 02:22:44 PM +0000 »

A Merry Christmas to all !  A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL.  For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon. angel
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2020, 02:50:30 PM +0000 »

A Merry Christmas to all !  A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL.  For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon. angel

Merry Chrismas,

Yes the PW will be seen for every registered member of UKGPL and it is automatically released by the SROU system.

It is open to all UKGPL members as such a non conformistic start procedure can not be done in any pick-up race.
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2020, 11:45:51 AM +0000 »

 , , , , Looking good! Kiss
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2020, 12:58:23 PM +0000 »

 Procedural tests are valid for results and impressions.

 ....particularly, in my little league "Clandestines Trophy", in the USAC thematic championships, we have already made starts where overtaking would be allowed after the T1 in an oval, but I always had problems, there is always a driver who is uninformed. Then I came to the conclusion that the best way was to put the cars in single file on the grid with 30m between them and the start released.
  We cannot forget, that the current GPL world is very small, everyone knows each other, and many, like me, run in more than 4 leagues, I myself participate in 6, in this reality, the possibility of confusing the rules is great.
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