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« on: December 22, 2020, 09:02:18 AM +0000 » |
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Season 38 - CANM66 +71 Fun Race - Road America For this 2 short Fun Races we will be at Road America in the USA. The track covers 640 acres (2.6 km2) within Wisconsin’s Kettle Moraine. It is near the Kettle Moraine Scenic Drive and has hosted races since September 1955. It currently hosts over 400 events a year. Road America has not been modified and retains its original configuration of 4.048 miles (6.515 km) in length and consisting of 14 turns. The track features many elevation changes, along with a long front stretch where speeds approaching 200 mph (320 km/h) may be reached. One of the best known features of this course is a demanding right hand turn known as "the kink." Road America's open seating allows spectators to venture throughout the grounds. Grandstands are available in several locations, as well as permanent hillside seating where crowds of more than 150,000 can be accommodated. Rolling Start!Start procedure:
Overtaking is prohibited until curve T3! Flagman gives the start. The polesitter drives ahead with a high but not full speed and the others follow him in a single line with safe distances. At the exit of turn 3 the race is released.Race List | = | IGOR | Server | = | UKGPL_8 | IP Address | = | look at iGOR | Race date | = | 27-12-2020 | | GPL mod | = | CANM66 + CANM71 | 60fps patch used | = | 60fpsV2newmod | Track dir | = | roadamer | Qualification Race 1 | = | 20:45 UK time -> 15min | Race 1 | = | race starts at ~21:00 UK time | Qualification Race 2 | = | 21:35 UK time -> 15min | Race 2 | = | race starts at ~21:50 UK time | Race length | = | ~25 min -> 12 laps | Damage Model | = | Intermediate | Replay | = | here | Handicapping"Works" drivers will not use works cars. So only privateers can use the M1B 361ci and Lola T70 359ci in the CA66 race and the M8F and T260 in the CA71 race.[/b] Resets will be allowed (there is no need to carry out a Stop and Go in the pit lane if you make a Shift-R). GLA +FUN
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2020, 03:45:01 PM +0000 » |
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I am guilty of joining fun races of various Leagues, without prior knowledge. This may happen here. I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 04:20:07 PM +0000 » |
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For this races a PW is obligatory. So you must look into this post.
I ask not to give the PW in igor Chat so everybody has to read here.
Maybe we need someone who translates it to spanish and portuguese...
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 05:41:54 PM +0000 » |
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I suggest a Chat message to explain the start, just before it starts. Also, turn 3 looks like turn 2. The start procedure is pretty clear and concise but I wouldn't want to try to explain it in chat, that is too much hassle and there is a big risk of typos and confusion. The drivers should pay the moderator's the courtesy of reading the race post, all the moderators can do in the chat is ask if drivers have read the race post (which is why Axel will be using a race password, an approach I fully support). We need to try to avoid the turn 1 carnage of first two races. I've had a look at the server replays. In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough, I should have given you more room. The result was a gentle tap of my left rear and I spun around. The rest of the field then piled into us leaving the first 3 to disappear into the distance. From the server replay it looks like warp contact but unfortunately I didn't keep my client reply so I can't compare the two. In the second replay, P2 got a slow start. P3 applied too much power resulting in wheel spins and snaking to the right, almost colliding with P2. P4 got a blinding start and rear-ended P2. After that it was complete carnage, everyone was involved leaving the pole sitter to disappear off on his own. So the lessons to be learnt are; give each other room and be careful with the throttle. But is there something else we can do? We don't want the same things to happen again. We expected the limited visibility and hugely powerful engines would be problematic for standing starts so we need a few fun races to confirm this and to work out a way of coping with the issues. Doing a rolling start (although authentic) has its problems (keeping a steady pace for a lap is difficult for the pole sitter), so we are going to try a rolling start but after a partial lap, not a full lap. I think Axel has made it pretty clear on the map where T3 is, everyone needs to understand the exit of T3 is where the race begins. Drivers must remain in single file until that point.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 09:13:41 PM +0000 » |
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In the first one I got a bit of a slow start from P4, you had a better one from P5 and had a chance to get up the inside into T1 but it looks like you took the wise decision to back out. I took a wide line into T1 but not wide enough . . . .
For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. Next race : a Password fixes the problem, and nice map displayed. A narrow track with wide cars, will always have visibility problems in close company. Elkhart Lake and Monza are not the same starting challenge. Popularity now, may be because Can-Am races have become rare - drivers have become rusty. Get out the brass polish, and onwards to glory!
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 11:02:26 PM +0000 » |
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For my part - we had a 3 abreast developing there, so I gunned it a bit longer than otherwise, which did not create the desired effect, with hindsight. But if I'd given you a little more room that wouldn't have mattered. We would have got through T1 OK (not sure about T2 though ). Anyway I learnt a lot there. I'm no where near the fastest GPL driver but I'd like to think my race craft is pretty good and I'm a fair racer. The fact that I made a mistake which contributed to most of the field crashing out, suggests to me that, with the best will in the world, standing starts in these beasts will be problematic. Lets hope the pseudo rolling start solves the problem. A full series in these cars would be fun, they have been overlooked for too long.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2020, 10:24:01 AM +0000 » |
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Good morning all I find this idea of not overtaking very well until turn 3 and I would even add that it would be good to modify the starting grid with more space between each driver. Some will say, ok but where is the pleasure of the race then ? The pleasure of the race is already above all to finish the race, and it is far from being that easy. Anyway, as a rule, practice is a reflection of everyone's performance, so whoever is in front of you on the starting grid is in principle faster. So no need to believe that on a simple start you will beat him for the length of the race. Thanks everyone and fun GPL Thanks Admins
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2020, 11:00:08 AM +0000 » |
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In RL they started behind a pace car in a 2 x line! Look here - I love the sounds! https://youtu.be/xXjZYIzKGCM
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2020, 04:19:44 PM +0000 » |
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This has reminded me, to fix the 66 sounds, although less than 66 in total. These sounds are already installed, and easy to use, if realistic sounds are wanted. The choice is yours : https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=52.0 Look for the Can-Am 66 listing. BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 . Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 09:39:31 PM +0000 » |
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BTW - I started practicing on the challenging & narrow Roadam67 . Decided roadamer is wider & more friendly, so will join you there. I find the in-car view makes the track look very narrow. But looking at a replay, the track is about 3 car-widths wide in most places. Hopefully there will be room to pass safely The 66 cars feel fast until you try the 71s. The power and brakes are so much better. They must have been terrifyingly fast in real life!
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2020, 09:56:43 PM +0000 » |
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Look here - I love the sounds!
Great video Axel, not sure about the "Luxury Economy" comment, a bit patronising. But "necessity is the mother of invention" and we now have the fastest most fuel efficient F1 cars ever.
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2020, 02:22:44 PM +0000 » |
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A Merry Christmas to all ! A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL. For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon.
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2020, 02:50:30 PM +0000 » |
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A Merry Christmas to all ! A sudden thought anidst the merriment . . . these races are advertized as OPEN TO ALL. For this, the password should be displayed for all, but only on this page, sometime soon. Merry Chrismas, Yes the PW will be seen for every registered member of UKGPL and it is automatically released by the SROU system. It is open to all UKGPL members as such a non conformistic start procedure can not be done in any pick-up race.
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2020, 11:45:51 AM +0000 » |
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, , , , Looking good!
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2020, 12:58:23 PM +0000 » |
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Procedural tests are valid for results and impressions.
....particularly, in my little league "Clandestines Trophy", in the USAC thematic championships, we have already made starts where overtaking would be allowed after the T1 in an oval, but I always had problems, there is always a driver who is uninformed. Then I came to the conclusion that the best way was to put the cars in single file on the grid with 30m between them and the start released. We cannot forget, that the current GPL world is very small, everyone knows each other, and many, like me, run in more than 4 leagues, I myself participate in 6, in this reality, the possibility of confusing the rules is great.
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