Phil Thornton
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« on: October 25, 2022, 01:17:32 PM +0100 » |
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Season 41 1967F1 PRIVATEERS – Round 5 – East LondonWe are going to South Africa for the fifth race in the 1967 Grand Prix series. The race will be on the Prince George Circuit at East London. Opened in the 1930s, it hosted the South African Grand Prix in 1934, and again from 1936 to 1939 when racing was halted due to World War II. The original 23.4 km circuit was shortened to 17.7 km in 1936. It was further modified to meet the Formula One regulations in 1959 when the track was shortened again and built into a seaside amphitheatre. East London hosted three rounds of the F1 South African Grand Prix in the 1960s until the increasing power and speed of the cars meant that it became too small for Formula One. The race was moved to Kyalami. Tonight we will be using the 3.9 km long 1959 layout. Race list | = | iGOR | Server | = | UKGPL10 | IP address | = | 217.155.118.41 | Password | = | see above | GPL Mod | = | 67F1 | Damage model | = | PRO | 60fps Patch | = | 60fpsV2newmod | Track download | = | eastlndn | Track directory | = | eastlndn | Qualifying starts | = | 20:45 UK time - 45 minutes | Race starts | = | ~ 21:30 UK time note: UK clocks changed / back on UTC | Race length | = | 34 laps | Replay | = | HERE | Please READ CAREFULLY THESE NEW RULES :A driver must cross the start line in order to register the use of a chassis, participation in qualifying is not sufficient. The tokens system will be used with drivers being awarded tokens for starting the season and for starting each race. Each car will cost a number of tokens per race. Drivers are reminded that Lap 1 incidents carry an extra 1 place penalty. Drivers must complete 50% race distance to score. MOD PRO so no shift-R Only reported incidents will be moderated. Please, excepting emergencies, no chat until Session Completed in qualification. No chat in the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line. Please check the Season 41 details regarding rules and the 1967 F1 Privateers Championship pages in particular.
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dave curtis
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2022, 06:16:06 PM +0000 » |
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Most drivers will be aware, but just to state...
UK clocks changed last night/went back 1 hour, so we are on GMT/UTC.
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Pepe Higdon
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2022, 02:47:14 AM +0000 » |
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I practiced long and hard for this race, first in the Ferrari, then the Brab, and finally the Lotus. I could never get a good setup with the red car. The BT didn't generate enough speed. Finally I came to grips with the Lotus that had both speed and traction. I would never achieve the pure velocity that Ricardo could make nor the wonderful control that Phillipe can manage with any car, but I could do my best. It's still not clear to me what happened with Axel, Philippe, and me as we entered the last corner on L4. The three of us were going almost nose-to-tail. My brake point must have been a little earlier than Axel anticipated. He braked early to avoid me. Philippe, following Axel closely, couldn't avoid rear-ending him. All I knew at that moment was that I was coming into the corner and I saw Axel's wheel rolling past me as I was braking and I knew that something awful had happened to him. What made it even worse was that i had been planning to move over and let him overtake me by sticking close to the right side of the track as we were approaching the S/F line for the next lap. As soon as Philippe recovered and began pressing me, I let him by without a fight. After the retirements of Eric and Ricardo, that left me in second, watching Philippe distance himself from me by almost one second per lap, and my trying to maintain about a 10-second lead over David. In all of the dozens of races against the AIs that I'd run in the last couple of weeks, this was the first race in which I never had an off-track lap of any significance. And next we visit Dundrod, one of the most difficult venues in the entire GPL track database. You thought it was hard so far? Just wait . . .
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francesco
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2022, 06:16:43 AM +0000 » |
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After a good start and some lucky(incident Phelipe Cokie)i was in third postion but the engine lasted only 3 laps.Until now I did not have a race without some problem excluding Porto where i have used the Ferrari. It won't be that the brabham brings me bad luck?
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Philippe Girard
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2022, 06:22:07 AM +0000 » |
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It's still not clear to me what happened with Axel, Philippe, and me as we entered the last corner on L4. The three of us were going almost nose-to-tail. My brake point must have been a little earlier than Axel anticipated. He braked early to avoid me. Philippe, following Axel closely, couldn't avoid rear-ending him. All I knew at that moment was that I was coming into the corner and I saw Axel's wheel rolling past me as I was braking and I knew that something awful had happened to him. What made it even worse was that i had been planning to move over and let him overtake me by sticking close to the right side of the track as we were approaching the S/F line for the next lap.
that is exactly what happened. I was surprised by the sudden braking of Axel, with the problem of suction, it was difficult to judge the right moment to brake. besides, you were in a fight with pepe really sorry axel. I hope you don't think it was revenge, because from the first laps of the race, you hit me the same way. I was able to return to the track, without damage to the brabham. you weren't so lucky, it's terrible for you, my apologies.
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bernie
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2022, 11:41:19 AM +0000 » |
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Never raced 67's here before and it felt like a new track in the faster cars , very little practise gave slowi times in the Brabby so tried some last minute changes in qually in the hope improving the situation but come race time these had the opposite effect . After a bit of racing with Paul V and Billy who was recovering from his lap1 spin I gave up trying to fend off Billies faster Fezzer and drove my own race to the flag . Loss of concentration and several spins saw me lapped by all Grats to Phillipe *Great drive in the Brabby and win for the soggies * Grats to all who finished , looking forward to Dundrod in these hairy machines , (should be fun )
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Billy Nobrakes
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2022, 04:03:59 PM +0000 » |
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I have a few tokens in the bank. Tried the Lotus but could not coax it through the corners as easily as the Ferrari. Lost the backend in Cocobana on the first lap. Apart from running off at Butts Bend about 10 it was quite a consistent drive. By that time, after retirements I was up to 4th place. Philippe had a +40 second lead, David in third was 21 seconds ahead. No real prospect of catching the leaders but I did manage to chip away most of the gap to David & Pepe by the end of the race. Not sure if I can make the Dundrod race, but it's not my sort of track.
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Pepe Higdon
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2022, 04:25:33 PM +0000 » |
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Not sure if I can make the Dundrod race, but it's not my sort of track. I'm not sure Dundrod55 is anyone's sort of track at present. I've had at least five CTD so far in practice, both training and in races.
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Rainier
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2022, 05:35:46 PM +0000 » |
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Not sure if I can make the Dundrod race, but it's not my sort of track. I'm not sure Dundrod55 is anyone's sort of track at present. I've had at least five CTD so far in practice, both training and in races. Beware Pepe, the track has been updated to Dundrod (=Dundrod65).
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Pepe Higdon
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2022, 02:01:02 AM +0000 » |
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Beware Pepe, the track has been updated to Dundrod (=Dundrod65). Are you seriously telling me that I've spent 20 hours in the last ten days practicing on a track that we're not going to be using?
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2022, 07:40:21 AM +0000 » |
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Beware Pepe, the track has been updated to Dundrod (=Dundrod65). On the Jim Person site there is a Dundrod 65 version but seem not possible to download it.Under the UKGPL announcements there is a link to Dundrod,without specification of 50,55 or 65.
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dave curtis
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2022, 08:33:42 AM +0000 » |
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Beware Pepe, the track has been updated to Dundrod (=Dundrod65). On the Jim Person site there is a Dundrod 65 version but seem not possible to download it.Under the UKGPL announcements there is a link to Dundrod,without specification of 50,55 or 65. That version is downloadable for me, from http://jrpearson.homestead.com/DundrodDownloads.html(click the "Download" panel to the left of "Main track Zip" which results in Dundrod_Main.zip). But if you already have track folder "Dundrod", then maybe you are ok! From the recent S41SCx Dundrod event, Axel did provide a zip of his working Dundrod folder. So this may be worth downloading. Is still available via his provided Mediafire link. Cheers, Dave.
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francesco
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2022, 08:35:41 AM +0000 » |
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i have applied this Dundrod 65.There are some difference with the 55 version but the more important are the breaking point less visible.
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Pepe Higdon
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2022, 11:11:51 AM +0000 » |
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May I ask when the decision was made to use the original Dundrod instead of Dundrod55? May I also ask what steps have been taken to alert the drivers in both divisions that this change has been made to the schedule? I am frankly appalled that the only way I found about this revision to the schedule that was announced last August was by my posting a comment yesterday about Billy's mention of Dundrod and having David tell me in essence, "Oh, by the way, we're not using that track." I wonder how many people will be showing up a week from Sunday having wasted their time practicing on a track that has been replaced. These two versions are dramatically different in countless instances. If you've been practicing with the wrong track, your chances of completing the race do not exist. Period.
I do not make that statement lightly. We used the original Dundrod in oAo in the fall of 2016. The attrition rate was over 80%. That's with drivers who actually knew where they were going. And it's not just the insane difficulty of either version of this venue that portends disaster. Pearson's tracks, IoM and the Dundrod versions particularly, have well-documented histories of gaps causing crash-to-desktop events. I reported five (later six) of them in as many days in a post above about Dundrod55. The original track oAo used six years ago had all sorts of reported issues both in practice and in the two divisional races. I admire Pearson's gigantic ambition in undertaking these monumental projects, but they are not without their downside risks.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2022, 11:29:26 AM +0000 » |
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I understand the troubles caused by this change. but with Dund1955 the troubles coud have been more important with lot of freezes, disco ... (please, have a look at SCX race report and comments) In another league (Planete GPL) the same change will be done for the same reasons. Sometimes, we have to make a choice. Decision have been made on 28th october (look at the same SCX race post) In the Annoucement forum, update has been made the same 28/10 ( https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=31601.0) But, yes you're right,Pepe, it could have been announced in a more evident way. I understand several drivers would be impacted (and I am among them). In another hand, I find Dundrod easier than Dund1955 and without these haybales full of glue. and to know very well the 1955 version is a great help. If this is really a big problem for many drivers, you can create a poll and we will follow the majority ...but in case of disco, freeze the race will be NOT re-run (no more free spots).
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