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October 01, 2023, 11:11:02 PM +0100 - Kyalami (1961-67) - UKGPL Season 43 (Autumn 2023) 1967 F1 (Privateers)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
francesco
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 3 +0.887
111.169mph
1 48:56.640
109.200mph
35 1:22.862
110.573mph
Goodyear  
Mikos
 
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 4 +1.693
110.092mph
2 +5.858
108.983mph
35 1:22.791
110.668mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 7 +2.071
109.594mph
3 +25.267
108.268mph
35 1:23.148
110.193mph
Goodyear  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 12 +4.844
106.076mph
4 +2L
106.883mph
33 1:23.248
110.061mph
unknown
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 13 +4.920
105.983mph
5 +5L
92.413mph
30 1:27.532
104.674mph
Disco
Firestone  
Rich Welsh
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 5 +1.751
110.016mph
6 +7L
108.156mph
28 1:23.270
110.031mph
Disco
Firestone  
Albert Hallu
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) (#1967) F1 1967 14 +5.455
105.331mph
7 +8L
102.297mph
27 1:25.265
107.457mph
Disco
Firestone  
Rainier
 Equipe BGB
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 9 +2.294
109.303mph
8 +15L
107.482mph
20 1:23.079
110.284mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Kai J.Daum
 REV
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 8 +2.216
109.405mph
9 +18L
101.517mph
17 1:25.053
107.725mph
accident
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) (#1967) F1 1967 2 +0.322
111.936mph
10 +20L
108.559mph
15 1:22.273
111.365mph
Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 11 +2.482
109.058mph
11 +21L
105.941mph
14 1:24.525
108.398mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Eric Bilodeau
 Equipe BGB
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 1 1:21.531
112.378mph
12 +24L
109.414mph
11 1:22.614
110.905mph
Disco
Goodyear  
CubbieRoo
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) (#1967) F1 1967 10 +2.316
109.274mph
13 +55.513
103.195mph
11 1:25.217
107.517mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Walter Conn
 REV
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 6 +1.957
109.744mph
14 +29L
103.285mph
6 1:24.443
108.503mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pepe Higdon
 
BRM P115 (#1967) F1 1967 16 15 +35L
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Disco
Goodyear  
60fps UKGPL10
 
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 15 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Albert Hallu
 
Honda RA300 (#1967) F1 1967 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Summary
A win for Francesco Molteni in a Brabham and a fine second place for Mikos in his BRM. Billy Nobrakes completed the podium in another Brabham.


Server replay time: 0h16m35s

Lap 12 - Barbeque Bend – Dave Curtis and Eric Bilodeau
Dave and Eric are having a tremendous battle with Dave on Eric’s tail for several laps. Eric is pushing hard to try to shake Dave off and so he runs wide at Barbeque Bend. Dave takes the opportunity to try to overtake on the inside but he is unable to keep a tight line and he runs wide into Eric. Both cars spin off. Although the contact is minor, Eric suffers the vagaries of the GPL collision engine and his car is irreparably damaged and he is out of the race. Dave can continue seemingly unaffected.

Eric did nothing wrong.

Dave was well within his rights to try to overtake but he needed to stay on his own side of the track until he had cleared Eric’s car.

This was not an overly ambitious overtake, it was a clear opportunity. However, Dave should have been able to execute the pass without shunting Eric out of the race. A was a lack of skill rather than a lack of judgment on Dave’s part, nevertheless he must be held accountable for the incident.


Server replay time: 0h22m20s

Lap 15 - Jukskei Sweep – Dave Curtis and Bernie Darwin
Bernie Darwin and Kai Daum are dicing for the minor placings when they are about to be lapped by Francesco Molteni and Dave Curtis. Francesco gets past Kai on the brakes into Crowthorne Corner and he is on Bernie’s gearbox as they approach Barbeque Bend. Bernie stays wide to allow Francesco to safely pass on the inside. Dave manages to overtake Kai (who had stayed wide) on the inside at Barbeque Bend and draws alongside Bernie on the approach to the Jukskei Sweep. Bernie moves across to take up the racing line and contact is made. Both cars spin out. Bernie can continue but unfortunately Dave is out of the race.

Francesco Molteni did nothing wrong.

Kai Daum did nothing wrong.

Bernie allowed Francesco through by keeping wide but in doing so Dave was not visible in his mirrors, consequently Bernie was unaware Dave was alongside when he moved over.

Dave expected Bernie to let him through and so he moved alongside into Bernie's blind spot. Dave had made the assumption that Bernie was aware he was alongside and was prepared to let him through.

The guidelines for lapping advise the lapped driver to maintain their normal racing line unless they choose to make a deliberate move to allow the lapping driver through. It is the lapping car’s responsibility to make a clean pass, it is not incumbent on the lapped driver to move over. However, there was clearly a misunderstanding here exacerbated by the fact that a pair of cars were lapping a pair of cars which made the situation unusually confusing.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h29m17s

Lap 21 – Main Straight – Dave Rainier and Bernie Darwin
On the exit of Leeukop Bend, Bernie spots Rich Welsh in his mirrors and he realises he is about to be lapped. Bernie decides to make it easy for Rich and so he moves onto the grass allowing Rich to stay on the racing line for The Kink. However, this severely reduces Bernie’s speed and on the run to the line he is much slower than usual, just as Billy Nobrakes is approaching to lap him. Bernie sees Billy very late but he moves off the racing line to allow Billy past on the left. Dave Rainier is only a few hundred yards behind Billy and he has positioned his car to pass Bernie on the right. As Bernie moves over to let Billy through, Dave realises the gap between the armco and Bernie’s car is disappearing fast so he decides to switch sides and pass Bernie on the left. Changing direction at full speed is precarious and Dave puts a couple of wheels on the grass partially losing control just as Bernie appears to drift left. Contact is made and Dave is out of the race but Bernie can continue in his seemingly indestructible Honda.

David did nothing wrong.

Bernie seemed to be weaving on the straight as if his steering parameters were set wrong or the car was suffering from suspension damage (observing the handing earlier in the lap suggests the car had suspension damage and this is confirmed by the GPLRA Mechanical Report that declares severe problems with right front suspension at 22m43.190s). The car should not weave and need to be constantly corrected in a straight line. By moving over to let Rich through Bernie had compromised his normal line and speed which made his driving on the straight inconsistent with previous laps and hence unpredictable. This was obviously exacerbated by the suspension damage.

Arguably Bernie should have retired the car but he was entitled to continue in order to score points. Having decided to continue with a damaged car, Bernie should have stayed well off the racing line as a courtesy to others.

  • bernie (Bernie Darwin)advice — Stay off the racing line if you continue with an obviously damaged car

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« on: September 25, 2023, 10:11:28 PM +0100 »

Season 43 – 1967 F1 – Round 3 – Privateers  - Kyalami
For the 3rd round in the  1967 Grand Prix series we find ourselves in South Africa. Kyalami Racing Circuit (from Kyalami, My home in Zulu) is a motor racing circuit located in Midrand, Gauteng province, South Africa. The circuit has been used for Grand Prix and Formula One races and has hosted the South African Grand Prix many times. In fact Kyalami hosted the opening round of the 1967 Grand Prix season which was won by Pedro Rodriguez in a Cooper Maserati. The 1977 South African Grand Prix is principally remembered for the fatal accident that claimed the lives of race marshal Frederick Jansen van Vuuren and driver Tom Pryce. In recent years, the area surrounding the circuit has developed into a residential and commercial suburb of Johannesburg.

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Please check the Season 43 details regarding rules and the 1967 F1 Privateers Championship pages in particular.
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2023, 02:57:44 PM +0100 »

I will be unable to make this event due to travel conflicts, but I will take the starting flag in a BRM for the 10 tokens.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2023, 03:07:21 AM +0100 »

I am having fun practicing for Kyalami. So far I have tried the GH setups. I have yet to really heat the tires up, except for when I spin.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2023, 03:21:50 AM +0100 »

I am having fun practicing for Kyalami. So far I have tried the GH setups. I have yet to really heat the tires up, except for when I spin.

Try Masaki Asano setups too Wink
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2023, 05:30:49 AM +0100 »

Thanks!
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2023, 08:37:48 PM +0100 »

35 laps ?
I'm dead  Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2023, 10:09:24 PM +0100 »

35 laps ?
I'm dead  Shocked

No ...but you killed me  Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2023, 10:27:23 PM +0100 »

All going reasonably well considering my recent lacklustre performances..

just passed the start finish line with I i think only 2 laps to go.. suprisingly I hadnt been lapped for a change.

and BAM... CTD. no glitches, no warning just as if someone had switched off GPL. one second I was at kyalami.. next second. Desktop LOL. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2023, 10:37:16 PM +0100 »

I'm the winner but the 2 stronger self-eliminated themselves with varous incident.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2023, 10:37:48 PM +0100 »

I took the flag today for the 10 tokens but I'm in a hotel 3,000 miles from home so I retired the car but stayed online to watch. I'm sorry I did. I've seen some pretty bad examples of how not to race over the years, but some of the crap that was going out there today was almost unbelievable. I saw backmarkers racing the leaders down the front straight. I saw other backmarkers who seemed completely oblivious to cars trying to overtake them. Then there was the car that lost its left front wheel coming out of the esses. Did he retire the car,  it being a three-wheeled menace on the track at that point? Of course not. He continued on, only to crash out for keeps in T1 of the following lap. I don't care if you're racing in junior league go karts: That kind of conduct is unacceptable.

Are there any actual rules in this league, or is this going to be just another Sunday at the Dodge 'Em Kars rink at the amusement park?
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2023, 10:44:52 PM +0100 »

Well done Francesco.  Smiley  Absolutely kicking myself, one blink in turn 2 & I'm eating the barrier.  lol
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2023, 10:49:56 PM +0100 »

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I saw backmarkers racing the leaders down the front straight.
Yes Darwin and Daum have not respected the blue flag.
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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2023, 10:51:16 PM +0100 »

Thank you CubbieRoo
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2023, 11:13:44 PM +0100 »

Was fun whilst it lasted.

I had intended to take the Brabham, but could only manage 1:24 when I wasn't crashing out. As I had been frugal with the tokens in the earlier rances, I tried the Lotus & we instantly got on ok.

Congrats to Eric on the pole.  I did not really expect to get down to T1 in 1st,   but then took it REALLY easy/leaving as much room as I could & a bit more to make sure there would be no incident.  Was happy enough to let the place go & follow Eric really closely for 11 laps - until I ended his race  (apologies for being there Eric).

I then got an early trip to the fridge a few laps later.


Congrats Fran on the win. You still had to make it all the way to the end to earn that spot!


Cheers.
Dave.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2023, 03:14:12 AM +0100 »

Congrats Fran on the win! I second what Dave said.

Qually results were interesting with so many drivers with similar lap times.

I had a terrible start with a tall 1st gear in the Honda. I took a wide line on the first two corners for safety. Kai made a nice overtake on the second lap. The first five laps were awesome. Kai gave me back the position and I had a clear track in front of me. I managed one clean lap, and then the next time around I pushed too hard into Sunset bend.

Thanks for the race everyone, It feels good to be driving with you all. I definitely want to get better so that I can be known for consistency.    
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